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[TripleBla]

Supplying me with the most up to date version of Turing is not 'illegal' as some of you have put it.

I am a REGISTERED, PAID-FOR Turing user.

I already have Turing installed on my machine.

I'm looking for an update on CompSci, because every other resource cannot provide me with it.

I'm not asking for you to send me some illegal piece of software, I already have a legitimate copy of Turing, I just require an update for it.

.. Holt Software has been inactive for a few years now, I really don't think they're going to sue you for supplying a licensed customer with an up-to-date copy of their software. Get real.

[petree08]

Even though holt software has been "dead" in terms of updating turing doesn't mean they are inactive. But yeah their web page looks out dated. it would be great for an upgrade, i might email Holt software see what thier views are

[petree08]

Right so i went to holt sofware's page and they just might be dead. The last update on their site was in november 2003

[Mazer]

TripleBla @ Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:17 pm wrote:

.. Holt Software has been inactive for a few years now, I really don't think they're going to sue you for supplying a licensed customer with an up-to-date copy of their software. Get real.

Please read up on copyright law. This isn't a judgment call we can make just because we haven't heard anything from them in a while. What does your license actually say about updates?

[TripleBla]

Doing a little bit of research, I uncovered this:

http://www.osapac.org/dbOESS/dbOESSe2.asp?id=256

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I know you're not obliged to provide me or anyone else on this forum with a copy of the latest version of Turing.

I am merely debating the Software Distribution Rights with you, and with the provided link and image. Hopefully you will see, providing Ontario Students with a copy of Turing is NOT against Holt Software's licensing agreement with the Ontario government.

[Euphoracle]

I do not see anything saying you can distrubute alternate versions. You work with the version your school has acquired, period. Unless your school board rolls out the new copy, you're stuck with 4.0.

[TripleBla]

Euphoracle @ Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:02 pm wrote:

I do not see anything saying you can distrubute alternate versions. You work with the version your school has acquired, period. Unless your school board rolls out the new copy, you're stuck with 4.0.

Work with the version our school has acquired? Our board has acquired 4.1. If you had even looked at the link, you can clearly read "4.1".

Edit- If you're unsure what that link was .. it's just information about all of the software the board currently has licensed, Turing 4.1 being one of them.

[Nick]

ok here is the situation:

there are copyrtght laws about giving turing to someone
you however being in an ontario school which has the liscene to do so can receive it
us being some people on the internet
u to us is some dude on the internet
how do we really know u are from a school in ontario and better tyet what if holtsoft (or an enforcement of the law) finds out, turns out that only ur school was allowed to distribute turing

now we are in shit with the law

[Tony]

Besides, there's little use of having a version different to what your school has. Sure, you can use some new functions... at home. You would not be able to work on your projects at school or even submit those assignments, since they will no longer compile with the older version of Turing.

[TripleBla]

Tony @ Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:30 pm wrote:

Besides, there's little use of having a version different to what your school has. Sure, you can use some new functions... at home. You would not be able to work on your projects at school or even submit those assignments, since they will no longer compile with the older version of Turing.

I do not see how getting an updated copy of Turing can be of little use. With the latest copy, I could provide my Computer Sciences teacher (Current admin of our entire school) a copy, where he than could re-distribute to our classroom, or even the entire school network (All legally of course, since he is in charge of our school's license with Holt).


I fail to see how wanting the latest version of software to use some new functionality, can be at all bad?

Turing isn't just for school work, I've seen quite a few interesting things done with it, all of which rule outside school appropriate. Saying I don't need it because I wouldn't be able to work on my projects at school, is absurd.

I need it, because I am entitled to it. You do not have to provide me with it but if I argue my point a little longer, maybe I can change the perspective of someone.

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momop @ Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:23 pm wrote:

ok here is the situation:

there are copyrtght laws about giving turing to someone
you however being in an ontario school which has the liscene to do so can receive it
us being some people on the internet
u to us is some dude on the internet
how do we really know u are from a school in ontario and better tyet what if holtsoft (or an enforcement of the law) finds out, turns out that only ur school was allowed to distribute turing

now we are in shit with the law

Stop talking on this thread. Everything you've said has been little, to no use to anyone.

[Tony]

TripleBla @ Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:01 pm wrote:

With the latest copy, I could provide my Computer Sciences teacher (Current admin of our entire school) a copy, where he than could re-distribute to our classroom

I see what you mean. In such a case, disregard my last comment.

What would be cool though, is to get your teacher to install any other language but Turing. Since the majority (at least all the ones we care about) are free... oh, and actually have some support available.

[TripleBla]

Tony @ Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:01 pm wrote:

What would be cool though, is to get your teacher to install any other language but Turing. Since the majority (at least all the ones we care about) are free... oh, and actually have some support available.

Indeed it would be cool, but the plausibility of my teacher installing another language is very, very slim. The current Ontario curriculum dictates Turing as the learning tool of choice (Even though everyone and their grandmother know the support, and technical functionality of Turing compared to any other language is not there). Changing languages is not an option, even though it would be for a greater benefit (Like many things in this thread ).

[Euphoracle]

TripleBla @ Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:16 pm wrote:

Euphoracle @ Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:02 pm wrote:

I do not see anything saying you can distrubute alternate versions. You work with the version your school has acquired, period. Unless your school board rolls out the new copy, you're stuck with 4.0.

Work with the version our school has acquired? Our board has acquired 4.1. If you had even looked at the link, you can clearly read "4.1".

Edit- If you're unsure what that link was .. it's just information about all of the software the board currently has licensed, Turing 4.1 being one of them.

Then you should have no problem getting a copy from your school board, am I right? (do so)

[Clayton]

TripleBla wrote:

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momop @ Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:23 pm wrote:

ok here is the situation:

there are copyrtght laws about giving turing to someone
you however being in an ontario school which has the liscene to do so can receive it
us being some people on the internet
u to us is some dude on the internet
how do we really know u are from a school in ontario and better tyet what if holtsoft (or an enforcement of the law) finds out, turns out that only ur school was allowed to distribute turing

now we are in shit with the law

Stop talking on this thread. Everything you've said has been little, to no use to anyone.

[/quote]

While I completely disagree with this thread to begin with, that statement is an absolute, no doubt about it, infringement on [The Rules]. You had no right to say such a thing to momop. Now, to add something constructive, while your school has a redistribution license, it has a redistribution licence for the version that it payed for. If they payed for 4.0.3, then they can redistribute 4.0.3, not 4.1.

TripleBla wrote:

I fail to see how wanting the latest version of software to use some new functionality, can be at all bad?

Let's see here.... because you have to buy it? Really, I'm sure that if you wanted Turing 4.1 that badly, just for one, stupid, poorly implemented module, you can find it out there on the internet. Then you can go ahead with your plan and give it to your teacher, infringing on the board's redistribution license. I really don't care.

Also, on the subject of getting a teacher to change the language of choice out of Turing: Turing is not a mandated, set in stone language for instruction. While it is (unfortunately), a highly common language, it is not the end-all be all. Other languages allowed to be used are (and this list is incomplete), Visual Basic (.NET, 6.0 etc.), Java (usually using RTP, another piece of shit from Holt), C++, Pascal, Python, and I've even heard of a school using Lisp. So believe me when I say you are not limited in choices here.

Now, if after reading this, you tend to get the idea I'm an arrogant prick, then you've read my post through, because that's the exact same message I'm getting from you. Turing is not unobtainable. If you can't pirate it, you can get it from your school board. Either ask your teacher to contact the right people, or do it yourself. Just please, for the sake of everyone here, stop your bitching.

Disclaimer: This post in no way whatsoever reflects the ideals or opinions of CompSci.ca and it's staff and affiliates. This is just one person's rant. If anyone's feeling were hurt, well... suck it up. I'm just some random guy on an internet forum right?

[md]

Clayton @ 2007-11-15, 10:27 pm wrote:

Stuff

I agree. Further more it seems *none* of you have any understanding of copyright law. Based on things like

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I need it, because I am entitled to it. You do not have to provide me with it but if I argue my point a little longer, maybe I can change the perspective of someone.

I would suggest that you all go shove your heads in sand and pretend the world doesn't exist. It'd probably be best for all involved.

[edit] I except Clayton from the lack of understanding as well as the head burying. He at least has shown some common sense.