Fake CS job ads

[z_cross_fire]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU
What do you guys think about this?

[Tony]

Title: "Fake Job Ads defraud Americans to secure green cards"

So are they talking about H-1B visas (non-immigrant work visas), or green cards (in which case the workers _become_ American, so a (new) American has the job)?

Assuming H-1Bs, are people seriously that upset that they have to compete with a larger pool of skilled professionals?

[Insectoid]

The video seems to specify H-1B (though I didn't pay attention to most of it).

The issue appears to be that businesses are deliberately placing ads where they are unlikely to generate response, impose very strict acceptance criteria (damn near impossible to meet) and then claim there are no qualified Americans for the job, clearing the way for their lower-pay H-1B employees (perhaps for other reasons than pay, I dunno).

[Tony]

Yes, that's a requirement for getting more H-1B visas granted.

[z_cross_fire]

Tony @ Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:39 pm wrote:

Title: "Fake Job Ads defraud Americans to secure green cards"

Yes, but I assume they are doing that for CS jobs as well...

[Tony]

Yes, this discussion typically concerns tech companies. Though it's kind of weird for us to talk about it, as most of use would require an H-1B or similar visa to work in the U.S.

Lets say you get a job offer from Google -- "we really like your tech skills, but our government is making us jump through some extra hoops to grant you a visa. Is that cool?" Yeah, you would probably be cool with that.

So from our perspective, how would we feel about Canadian companies gaming the system to be able to hire more Americans?

[mirhagk]

I personally think it shouldn't matter. I mean it's one thing to say that companies shoud hire locals before hiring outside work, but when it comes down to use being the outside work, we would all agree that since we are more qualified, we should be hired.

Capitalism is fine with me, and forcing companies to do things is too communist (which is somewhat ironic since most people who think foreigners shouldn't be hired, also think communism is wrong)

[DemonWasp]

Communism has nothing to do with forcing companies to do anything. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

It's worth noting that even "capitalist" societies, such as most of the Western world, impose many restrictions on corporations. Generally, the countries with higher qualities of life impose more (and stricter) restrictions, in my experience.

If capitalism is fine with you, then I hope you enjoy UBB. It will be a shame when nobody can afford the bandwidth to visit compsci.ca.

[Insectoid]

I don't remember if this was in the video or in a comment, but I recall hearing/reading that some companies will train people overseas in some new software, and then claim that nobody in the US is qualified to use that software so they can bring over the overseas workers.

Can someone clarify the benefits of alien vs citizen employees? Are there different laws governing H-1B workers allowing corporations to take shortcuts?

[Tony]

Doesn't seem that way. Some claim that H-1B workers are paid less in salary, but there are many other costs involved in brining in an H-1B worker (flying them in for interviews, relocation costs, visa processing costs, etc.).

One significant different is that it's much harder to change employers while staying in the U.S. So if a corporation is running a code-monkey shop with a really fast burnout rate (shorter than 3 years?), then H-1B workers could reduce the turnover rate.

[mirhagk]

My point was that we shouldn't force companies to hire local work, if outside work can be brought in then that's fine. It's not that outside help is much cheaper (unless it's contracted in which case work visa's are irrelevant), so it's not like the company would turn down a great local worker, to get a decent outside worker, just the outside market has more available workers, so it's easier to find a good employee.