In this decision, the Commission determines that usage-based billing rates for an incumbent telephone carrier?s wholesale residential Gateway Access Services or equivalent services, and for an incumbent cable carrier?s third-party Internet access services, are to be established at a discount of 15 percent from the carrier?s comparable usage-based billing rates for its retail Internet services.
What this means is that Bell/Rogers are not happy with customers using YouTube/Skype/Netflix instead of their TV/Phone/etc offerings so they are adding on punitive fees. The kick in the pants is that even if you switch to a smaller independent ISP (which tended to have much better offers), the punitive fees will be mandated anyway.
Follow http://openmedia.ca/ and http://openmedia.ca/meter for more info. I plan on blogging in more details later, but wanted to get the discussion started now, as all of us here are affected by this.
Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:35 pm Post subject: RE:CRTC Metered Internet (UBB) discussion
Wow. I am still reading up more about this, but so far it seems ridiculous. Large media companies are trying to monopolize the internet market, and gouge prices AT THE SAME TIME. If each GB costs them 1cent, overage charges of $1.90/GB is a 19000% markup. Also, with prices like these, and low limits like these, I don't see how Canadians can afford to keep up with the rest of the industrialized world, as almost everything is moving to the internet.
I am definitely telling everyone I know about this.
Sur_real
Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:40 pm Post subject: RE:CRTC Metered Internet (UBB) discussion
so wait...basically smaller ISPs are screwed?
wow...so much for competitive pricing here in Canada not that there were any to begin with...
Insectoid
Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:10 pm Post subject: RE:CRTC Metered Internet (UBB) discussion
As I said in the shoutbox- how will this affect students living on university residence?
Also, isn't this against anti-competitive laws or something? It seems very cartel-y to me.
TokenHerbz
Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:00 pm Post subject: RE:CRTC Metered Internet (UBB) discussion
I'm in Canada using SHAW right now, and with the CRTC ruling i feel i'm going to get screwed over big time. I have been paying 23 dollars a month for 60GB cap. However shaw doesn't seem to care when I go over, and its been like this for years, As this link here with my last 2 months use will show.
http://i.imgur.com/WYgQm.jpg // Now they are starting to be jews and charge over and already 2-3 days in i hit 1/3rd my cap and i've been strugling on keeping it down. last month i never downloaded movies or games, and its still went over. HAD shaw been jews from the get go, just on the last 2 months of over useage i would of owed them $415.00 in over useage.
shaws other plans are outragious like, 100 bucks for 100 gigs / month. To be frank, shaw pays like .01 / gb they pass so even if i hit 200 gigs / month on my 60gig cap im sure they rather have my 23 bucks then NOT have my 23 bucks, considering it costs them only 2 bucks to pass all that, they make like 1000% profit.
So, whats all your thoughts on this??? I think its pretty crazy that i can't even stream HD GOMtv and a day9's and some things without going over... and paying absurd amounts of cash for internet usage, is just pure anger! Free MOVIES or STREAMS (YOUTUBE EVEN) HD anything, COSTS SO MUCH!!! retardedness...
(thought i would add this in the forums instead of shout box)
So yeah, QQ QQ QQ QQ QQ!!!
insectoside : i bet students will have to pay for their usuage, simple as that, unless the universities get discounts or something, should cost more... which is dumb..
people in poverty already who cant afford to do anything and get entertainment from the internet are screwed now to, its not like this country offered great jobs and most people stuck on min wage and i just cant agree with this one bit.
Those big companys even tho they lose some service like cable to netflix, still making billions. its a money grab, and a huge one at that, and is going to screw over everything internet related.
They are officially, the internet NAZIs, no better then china blocking shit to their population.
Insectoid
Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:17 pm Post subject: RE:CRTC Metered Internet (UBB) discussion
-I still use my landline.
-I still watch my cable TV.
Lots of people still use landline phones and cable TVs. The number of people who have completely dropped their landline and cable for cell phones and Netflix is tiny compared to those who still use them.
ProgrammingFun
Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: RE:CRTC Metered Internet (UBB) discussion
Insectoid @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:17 pm wrote:
-I still use my landline.
-I still watch my cable TV.
Lots of people still use landline phones and cable TVs. The number of people who have completely dropped their landline and cable for cell phones and Netflix is tiny compared to those who still use them.
And that is what the CRTC is taking benefit of....
TokenHerbz
Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:21 pm Post subject: RE:CRTC Metered Internet (UBB) discussion
regardless if you still use their service, you will have to pay more for your internet... I know for myself, i stopped cable, (even at like 9.99 i said no) and i DO use a phone. But TV is one thing i stopped in favor of the internet.
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Sur_real
Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:34 pm Post subject: RE:CRTC Metered Internet (UBB) discussion
I just realized something I mean...
-In Canada, they screw your internet with third world pricing
-In the US, they screw your internet with the proposed 'Kill Switch' bill aka see Egypt (although luckily for them, it's still being introduced to the Senate...)
-In China (and parts of the Middle East?), they screw your internet with firewalls and censorship
-In Egypt, they currently have NO INTERNET (WTF?!)
Only Europe is safe with their EU?
TokenHerbz
Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:56 pm Post subject: RE:CRTC Metered Internet (UBB) discussion
well i would love to see riots and protesting and shit to show Canada we won't stand for dumb ideas. We slave daily and we don't need to be kicked in the nuts every month too... IMO..
ProgrammingFun
Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: RE:CRTC Metered Internet (UBB) discussion
TokenHerbz @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:56 pm wrote:
well i would love to see riots and protesting and shit to show Canada we won't stand for dumb ideas. We slave daily and we don't need to be kicked in the nuts every month too... IMO..
+1
Tony
Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: RE:CRTC Metered Internet (UBB) discussion
TokenHerbz @ Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:56 pm wrote:
well i would love to see riots and protesting and shit to show Canada we won't stand for dumb ideas. We slave daily and we don't need to be kicked in the nuts every month too... IMO..
- Sign the petition at http://openmedia.ca/meter
- Email CRTC
- Email newspapers
- Write to Industry Canada
- Complain to Competition Bereau of Canada against Bell
- Write to political parties
- Write to major software companies that will be affected by a shift in consumer usage (Google, Apple, Netflix, Steam)
- Use Faxes for bonus points!
- Spread the message.
As an independent organization, the CRTC works to serve the needs and interests of citizens, industries, interest groups and the government.
My needs and interests are certainly not being served here. To hell with citizens, interest groups and the government, let's just serve the industries!
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In telecommunications, the CRTC ensures that Canadians receive reliable telephone and other telecommunications services, at affordable prices.
Assuming 'other telecommunications' include the internet, to hell with affordability! And damn, hasn't Bell got the most reliable network you've ever connected to?
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the CRTC?s role in telecommunications is evolving. In many telecom markets, several consumer choices are available. This natural competition results in better prices and packages for consumers. In these cases, CRTC allows competition, not regulations, to drive the market. The CRTC regulates only where the market doesn?t meet the objectives of the Telecommunications Act.
True: Competition is good.
False: CRTC promotes competition.
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A retail customer is the end user who purchases access to the Internet. The CRTC does not regulate rates, quality of service issues or business practices of Internet service providers as they relate to retail customers. This is because there is enough competition in the market that retail customers can shop around for service packages.
No, but they regulate weather or not a super-ISP can regulate what wholesale ISPs can charge retail customers. So, indirectly, they do control retail prices as evidenced by UBB.
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A wholesale customer is an Internet service provider who buys bandwidth in order to access the Internet from a cable or telephone company and then resells that access to retail customers. The CRTC regulates rates and quality of service issues for wholesale services. The CRTC regulates the relationship between these resellers and the cable and telephone companies who own the infrastructure needed to provide Internet access, in order to ensure that Canadians have access to a range of Internet providers.
This is accurate.
I'm sure there's loopholes in most of these such that the CRTC is *technically* still upholding its mandate.
Tony
Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 9:51 pm Post subject: RE:CRTC Metered Internet (UBB) discussion
The CRTC last week quietly proposed a significant change to the rules on false or misleading news broadcasts on radio or television. The law currently provides that a broadcast licensee "shall not broadcast any false or misleading news." The CRTC is proposing to amend the law with respect to television and radio by lowering the standard to "any news that the licensee knows is false or misleading and that endangers or is likely to endanger the lives, health or safety of the public." In other words, it would perfectly permissible for a broadcaster to air false or misleading news, provided that it not endanger the lives, health or safety of the public.
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