09 F9 11 02 9d 74 E3 5b D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

[klopyrev]

Hi, my name is 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0. Have you seen this number around anywhere? Enter it into google and you'll find tons and tons of websites with this number on it. How odd? digg is filled with links to pages with this number! What's the big hype about this number? Anyone know? I read that it has to do with HD-DVD Protection of some sort and the fact that the number is illegal. huh? An illegal number? WTF? That's worse than failure.

KL

[Dan]

Moved to off topic....

...also we only need one topic on this, there is no need for any one eltes to start a new one.



BTW, kevin rose has applogized and is now suporting this number (what ever it may do). So stop spaming digg

[Mazer]

If I had to guess it seems more like Kevin gave up on fighting his userbase.

MPAA gets mad because their key is posted on Digg? It's already been out for months and it's not like it originated from Digg.

Users get mad because the mods and admins are banning people for posting the key? Turning (what appears to be a whole shitload of) people away from the website and it's advertisements? Hell of a road to be taking.

As for spam on digg, well... that's not really in our hands, is it?

[PaulButler]

Here is what I know of the story:

The first I saw the number was about a week ago. Reddit posted a link to chillingeffects.org (a site about online copyright issues) pointing out that the number, which was the entirety of the copyright claim, was included in the public C&D letter as a part of one of the URLs requested to be taken down (interestingly, it seems to have been added in the transcription, because the scan of the C&D does not show the URL. Also, the URL does not show the whole key, it is cut off.)

After that, it started to show up on Reddit a bit more, people talked about creating t-shirts with the number, someone bought [the number].com, and everyone was just generally upset that such a small (relatively speaking) number could be illegal.

Digg was apparently all over it yesterday. I gave up digg for the day since I had some work to do, but apparently digg decided to stop censoring it and let people post it.

The number itself is an AACS encryption key, which apparently has something to do with DRM for HD DVDs. According to the AACS, the system was originally cracked in January and they hinted that the licensee was not careful enough to guard the key in their implementation. Another key was published on public websites in February, which I think is the key that has been spread recently. From skimming the AACS's response, my understanding is that people will have to do a firmware update of their hardware to play disks created from now on.

[Amailer]

Have I SEEN THIS NUMBER? Tell me who hasn't!

Although they are calling it the "Digital Revolt" I'm pretty sure that most of the people were just doing it to annoy digg or because others were doing it. I doubt anyone even cares about the numbers.

This number, is famous.

The "revolt" made BBC headlines :/

[Dan]

It is not just about the number, it is about free speah and stoping corpeations from deticating what you can or can not say.

Laiming you own the copy right to a number and then sending take down notices to every one? This is just geting out of hand.

As for the digg part, digg is sposted to be contect provied by the user and voteted on by the user in a demoratic system. Removing users contect becues it interfeeres with your sponser is hardly being very demoratic....

[octopi]

For my next program I'm going to make the serial number the word "the" and then mail out millions of cease and desist orders to the whole internet, for publicly releasing my serial number and violating the DCMA


Also anyone who is familiar with stealing satellite TV, numbers of this length(and format) are on the internet weekly as they change them, Dish Network,nor Bell does much if anything to have websites remove these numbers, I'm kind of surprised that they haven't tried before, so there may be some precedents set in US law regarding this issue, which might mean trouble for AACS.

[PaulButler]

octopi @ Thu May 03, 2007 9:30 am wrote:

For my next program I'm going to make the serial number the word "the" and then mail out millions of cease and desist orders to the whole internet, for publicly releasing my serial number and violating the DCMA

I know you are just pointing out the absurdity of copyrighting a number, but you would not be able to do this under the DCMA as the word "the" is already present on the internet. The issue is not really in the number itself, so much as the fact that the only use of the number is to break AACS encryption. Not saying I agree with the AACS, just giving an their point of view.

[Dan]

PaulButler @ 3rd May 2007, 2:06 pm wrote:

I know you are just pointing out the absurdity of copyrighting a number, but you would not be able to do this under the DCMA as the word "the" is already present on the internet. The issue is not really in the number itself, so much as the fact that the only use of the number is to break AACS encryption. Not saying I agree with the AACS, just giving an their point of view.

That is break the AACS encryption on there own movies that they bought leagely. The key dose not nessarly have to be used for anything illgeal, for example this key whould allow linux users to watch there own HD-DVDs on there linux box.

Also they are sending intelcuatly proptery take down notices claiming that the number is there intelecutaly proptery. This is cearly a strech of intelecualt propterty laws. In the U.S.A it is illgeal to revice enger software so in theroy the one they should be going affter is the person to first post the key, but not for copy right issues.

octopi wrote:

Also anyone who is familiar with stealing satellite TV, numbers of this length(and format) are on the internet weekly as they change them, Dish Network,nor Bell does much if anything to have websites remove these numbers, I'm kind of surprised that they haven't tried before, so there may be some precedents set in US law regarding this issue, which might mean trouble for AACS.

I am gusing it is easyer to change the keys for satellite weekely then forceing everyone with a HD-DVD player to update there firmware every week and chage the code used to make dvds. Even then all dvds made to that date will have the old key.

Also the AACS has changed the key, all HD-DVDs as of April 23, will have the new key and changing how they do the encription sligly. However it will probly only be a few weeks if not days befor a new key is found.

[Martin]

People aren't claiming copyright. The claim is that the number enables circumvention of copy protection, something that the DMCA says is illegal.

I'm not agreeing with it in the least, but that's what the claim is.

[octopi]

I guess my point is that it is absurd to claim that a number is only used for one purpose, a program I wrote uses md5 hashes to store ones password (something that is very common), as most know a md5 hash is in a similar format, and therefor there is some string that when md5'd will result in this 'number', so its retarded to think that this number is there's and by limiting which numbers can be on the internet. also I find it difficult to believe that this number has never been used before somewhere on the internet, which paul claimed would invalidate it from being subject to the DCMA.




--side note: just looked up md5 reverse tables, and apparently they're pretty good now, so I should probally rewrite my password hashing code to make it more secure, if someone accessed my database grabbed a md5, they can look it up on the web and find the string that produces that md5 value.

[Mazer]

I think the problem is that the people posting it on digg only cared about it in regards to the HD-DVD thing.

[Dan]

DMCA = Digital Millennium Copyright Act

So to say it has nothing to do with copyright is a bit odd. Also the take down notice that sites where get claimed they where hosting itegletical proptety that belong to AACSS.

Also the DMCA only applys to the U.S.A so yay Canada!

There realy is no reason why you should not be able to watch your own HD DVD movies you bought legealy in linux.

[md]

Dan, teh take down notices were for hosting material that allowed the circumvention of DRM; which is illegal thanks to the DMCA.

The DMCA might be about copyright laws, but it's quite a bit more destructive then you'd think.

[Dan]

I know the DMCA covers reverice engering and other areas, However the sites that i saw reported that they where sending take down notice realting to inteltical proptery being posted.

I could have been missformed, but either way it is still wrong.