Taboo: java?

[BenLi]

I'm starting to get into java and has recently noticed the lack of activity in the java forum. I've been around long enough to know that many of you know java. So why doesn't anybody actually post here?

[[Gandalf]]

Same thing as Turing I guess, just without the dozens of new users each day looking to get their homework done, and without any interested regular posters. Guess wtd's Java Sucksâ„¢ campaign had some sort of an effect.

Personally, I don't mind Java, but meh, I'm learning a bit more of Ruby at the moment. Same as with Turing, if something pops up and I have something to say, I will reply, but otherwise like I said, meh.

[wtd]

Whether you consider this good or bad... Java is a boring language. There is absolutely nothing interesting about Java technologically, nor is there anything particularly appealing about it from a pedagogical perspective.

When I deal with Java, it is purely out of necessity, or my desire to help. I wrote my Introduction to Java because I know that people will continue learning Java regardless of my feelings about it, and that if they are going to, they might as well learn it well.

[gsquare567]

!!!
you guys r supposed to be total pros with programming!!!
javas in the rising... its speed is being upgraded, and it has much better security than C++... in fact... C++ has no security. the java team updates the language every week and its so much easier to learn than the other high-capability programming languages. wtf is ruby? and wtd... what r you learning thats so much better than java... cuz if its C++, your not gonna go far widdit. anyways, do what you want, but you totally discouraged any1 from learning java and thats not right, because its much better and easier than C++ or any other language. just a few words...

[ericfourfour]

No one is discouraging anyone from using Java. wtd only stated why Java was not a good language. He didn't tell people not to program with it. And he is entitled to his own opinion so I don't see anything wrong.

However, your post discourages me from it. It makes me think that Java is for people who can't capitalize their sentences and people who use the word "cuz" because it's 4 less characters. You even have the nerve to put down Ruby. If your going to put down a programming language make it Turing.

Also, c++ has security or else it would not be used in the industry (I'm sure more people can tell you about this topic).

Finally, I believe c++ is extremely easier than Java. (Making buffered readers never seemed too appealing to me). Also, Java is no better than any programming language. All programming languages have a better way of handling a problem (I'm sure wtd can tell you more about this topic).

[wtd]

I did not say Java is a good language or a bad language. Not in this thread, anyway.

What I did say is that it's boring. It brings nothing interesting to the table.

For those of us who are enthusiastic about programming languages, this is very much a bad thing. As such, we cannot generate any sincere enthusiasm for Java.

Disclaimer: I am discussing Java the language. See my Introduction to Java for why this distinction is important.

[rdrake]

gsquare567 wrote:

wtf is ruby?

A ruby is a shiny gem obtained by digging into the Earth. These were once pure atoms until the crushing forces of the Earth formed it into a gem and pushed it upwards. They are often found in jewellery.

For more information on the subject, please feel free to visit Wikipedia.

[Dan]

The way this site works is that it is a comunity and as such the sections that get the most antention are thos that are most popualr or needed in the comunity. As this site is one of the few if any that has help for turing, the turing section gets the most useage. Simpley put demand for a section makes it amount of content go up. Personaly i whould not say that the quality of the section is low, there are good tutorals and help question in the java section there are just not a large quanity of them.

If you find that this section needs more quanity or quality feal free to start righting tutorals or even simpley asking good questions will improve it. As a comunity it is not up to one or two peoleop to be constaly helping everyone and making all the tutorals but there should be sharing between every one. Every one asking questions, everyone helping and everyone contrubinting in what they can (idealy any how). It is all about learning.

Also to gsquare567, we are not sposted to be total pros we are peoleop who whont to learn about programing and help others to do the same. All progaming langues have somthing to teach us in my option even if some have more functioanaly then others. There is no one best progaming langue and a good progamer should know that you can not be limited to just one and that it is about the consecpts and underlining ideas and not about the syntext. In addtion you should be more respectfull of peoleop on this forum esptaily when you seem to be a realtivey new poster and staments like yours should at least try to back up there claims.

In short, if you do not like the quality or quanity of a section fix it. wtd is a great example of how a member of our comunity can exapened every ones knwogale to new langues and conespets by conrubiting to place where we where lacking. Thanks to him we have new sections and many many new tutorals that teach many peoleop about progmaing.

edit: to clear the topic up even more i do not dislike java at all. In fact i aucatly rather like java dispite some of the vaild complates by wtd (not that he is saying java is bad either). However i also like other progaming langues and learning new ones witch helps us devlop new skils and ideas.

[batman]

Yo, Im getting in too java right now and stopping turing. Turing was awesome but you can't go past a certain point with turing due to the lack of colours (256) and other things. Since ive worked a lot with java and am continuing to work with java, im going to bring it back to life!!!!!!!
if anyones has any questions about java problems post them and ill attempt to answer them all!!!!

[ericfourfour]

Turing has many more than 256 colours. The ones to which you refer are predefined. I assume Turing has all of the colours you will ever need. Also, why not program in both? I program in Java and c++ but go back to Turing sometimes because of its simplicity when dealing with graphics.

[Andy]

ericfourfour wrote:

finally, I believe c++ is extremely easier than Java. (Making buffered readers never seemed too appealing to me).

you clearly do not know c++ very well.

[ericfourfour]

Andy wrote:

you clearly do not know c++ very well.

I guess I don't (maybe "extremely" was the wrong word). I said that because in school we do simple stuff and when I compare it to c++ it seems like there is much more to memorize in Java. To get input it is much more work than std::cin << input;. Also, I find, that using classes in c++ is easier than in java. Maybe that's just me but I find it more organized.

I realize I don't know much in c++ because I'm still wrapping my head around templates. Who knows how many numerous things there are to learn. I've heard that someone who has been programming in c++ for a year will say they know 90% of the language while someone who programmer in c++ for 10 years would say they only know 10% of the language (i guess that goes for programming languages in general).

[wtd]

Java is easier than C++, if you program in C++ like you'd program in Java. That was after all the goal of Sun in creating Java.

However, C++ offers options that Java does not, and simulating some of those things in Java can prove tremendously tedious.

[batman]

Quote:

Turing has many more than 256 colours. The ones to which you refer are predefined. I assume Turing has all of the colours you will ever need. Also, why not program in both? I program in Java and c++ but go back to Turing sometimes because of its simplicity when dealing with graphics

I do program both but it is time to move on to something much more challedging like java. Afterwards when i have somewhat mastered java I plan to learn c++. Its kind of hard learning multiple languages due to you end up mixing a few things back and forth. The only thing i like about turing compared to java is it is much simplier and doesnt require a ton of code to write. For example writing "hello world" in java requires way more code then writing it in turing. [/quote]

[wtd]

batman wrote:

Its kind of hard learning multiple languages due to you end up mixing a few things back and forth.