Shall we file this under "Google is evil"?

[bugzpodder]

http://www.yahoo.com/s/269324

[Hikaru79]

Microsoft has been taking a lot of crap from the zealot hordes for doing this exact same thing. It'll be interesting to see how the masses react to their precious Google doing something similar

[bugzpodder]

DOWN WITH GOOGLE! DOWN WITH GOOGLE! DOWN WITH GOOGLE!

[Dan]

I am very dispointed in google for this but i guses it is ether they make a censored address or all of them are blocked by china isps. Tho in reality it whould be imposable to turly censor anything b/c of the existance of proxy servers.

Not only do i think almost all infromation should be free and freely accesabl to all human kind i think that a non cesnored versron should be aviable freely to every one as well.

Some of the orgianl designers of the net had some crazy ideas to put it on a stailite that whould beam it down to erath free for all to see. Tho this is reather unpratical to aucatly put it on a stealite but i like the idea of the free boradcast of it. I think that one day the net will evelole in to a data base of all humman knoagle and will be beamed to every conore of the erath simlar to how gps singals are range wise but using a wifi like singal (deftaly not going to be wifi tho).

[Martin]

Some more bullshit from Corporate America.

Do the companies have to stand for that? Of course not. China wants to come out and be a real country for a change. They actually want their economy to grow, and they are setting themselves up quite well to do it. And they know that they need international support if they want to get anywhere with it.

If Microsoft, Yahoo and Google all firmly said, "No. We won't support government oppression" do you think that China would have told these multi-billion dollar corporations to go home? Of course not. But alas, as has been proved again, the almighty dollar is worth more than human rights.

[bugzpodder]

actually, the truth is China will live off baidu (their own search engine), their own free webmail (10gig?), and pirated copies of XP

[md]

Um... you do realize that google has been participating in self-censoring for a while now... as has Microsoft and Yahoo, and all other major search engines. Unless google is willing to loose out on the huge market that is china it's not something they can refuse to do. Even then, it's not exactly evil... it's not up to north american standards of free speach maybe, but it's not north america.

There have been lots of stories recently about hwo google isn't nearly as good as people think, and how it's really just as evil as everyone else. The truth is that they are a business. They exist to make money. Fortunately their controlling interests are now well off and don't need the money that badly, but google still is in business to keep it's market share and increase it hwoever they can. Usually this is in moderately good ways, but not always. If you compare Google to Yahoo, or Microsoft; really any company these days, you'll see that Google is actually a rather good company given it's rivals. It definitely doesn't do nearly as much evil as it could (and it's competitors do).

Oh, BTW, Yahoo (where the story is from) and Microsoft actually started censoring themselves long before google did.

[codemage]

I visited the Google China site (www.google.cn), and I was able to look up and access just about every possible politically taboo topic I could think of.

In fact, far more sites were blocked out by my employer's filtering software than Google China.

And yes... I've made them aware of that bit of trivia.

[bugzpodder]

cornflake ur opinions are extremely biased. google has its own agendas, for example to profit at MS and Yahoo's expense. It is common pratice and hence that doesnt make them any less evil. Obviously google is not here to promote democracy but to make a profit, like every one else whos not open source.

codemage, ur searching the wrong things. try tianmen square massacure, falun gong, porn, banned books, dali lama, taiwan independence and democracy, state corruption, mining death (yes, chinese mines explodes and kills off far more people than those ones reported in north america recently), etc...

[Dan]

They blocked the dali lama? How rude, he is a nice guy.
And yes i do know why they do that and the histroy behind it so pleas do not make any crazy posts about it =p
Hey i think this is my 1st small font post! Go me!

[md]

bugzpodder wrote:

cornflake ur opinions are extremely biased. google has its own agendas, for example to profit at MS and Yahoo's expense. It is common pratice and hence that doesnt make them any less evil. Obviously google is not here to promote democracy but to make a profit, like every one else whos not open source.

Umm... wha? My "opinions" are actually "facts", and are not at all biased. Google == business. Businesses exist for hte purpose of making money. Surely you haven't forgotten about how profitable google really is?

People seem to forget that Google is not a search company, but an advertising company. They sell advertising space to advertisers. In order to get people to follow these adds they put lots of effort into showing relavent adds to people, and to attracting people to their website to see the adds. It just so happens that their method of doing so is with a very well engineered search engine, as well as their newer news and mail facilities. The key is that these are means to advertising, which makes google and it's share holders money.

Google is not evil. They are just really good at making money.

[bugzpodder]

you are biased not in how u view google which i fully agrees with, but in which how u perceives ms and yahoo as "evil" and google as "not evil"

[Hikaru79]

bugzpodder wrote:

codemage, ur searching the wrong things. try tianmen square massacure, falun gong, porn, banned books, dali lama, taiwan independence and democracy, state corruption, mining death (yes, chinese mines explodes and kills off far more people than those ones reported in north america recently), etc...

Actually, every single one of those things works just fine. Here are some results returned using Google China. Additionally, they were all on the FRONT PAGE of results.

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Phills Travel Photos - Last additions/Tienman Square - [ 翻译此页 BETA ]
Tienman Square. this is where all the students tragically died at the hangs of
the Chinese Govt.

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15 Falun Gong Activists Sentenced to Jail & Fine in Singapore ... - [ 翻译此页 BETA ]
15 Falun Gong Activists Sentenced to Jail & Fine in Singapore (2001-03-30).
2003/10/24. Singapore Magistrate Court Thursday imposed sentences to 15 Falun Gong
convicts under the charges of illegal assembly and obstruction to police duty. Judge ...

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Sora Aoi - Asian Idol Gallery » Kineda - [ 翻译此页 BETA ]
Kineda's Idol of the Day is Sora Aoi. Sora Aoi was born on Novermber 11, 1983 in
Japan. Sora Aoi was born in Japan with a small stature at 5′1″ but was an instant
success in the photobook market due to her lusty curves and innocent face ...

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His Holiness The Dalai Lama - [ 翻译此页 BETA ]
From the official site of the Government Of Tibet In Exile. Provides a biography,
bibliography, list of awards won, prayers, lectures and statements.

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>>> AsiaNews.it <<< Coal mining death toll rises by 20pc - [ 翻译此页 BETA ]
6 April, 2005. CHINA. Coal mining death toll rises by 20pc.
Beijing (AsiaNews/Agencies) - The death toll from coal mine accidents on the mainland
rose 20.8 per cent in the first quarter to 1113, officials announced yesterday. ...
www.asianews.it/dos.php?l=en&dos=&art=2971 - 14k - 网页快照 - 类似网页

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The victims of china corruption![ 繁体 ]
... The victims of china corruption! 所有回复 | 加回复 | 加新贴 | 本论坛主页 作者: wfpin
于2003 年8 月31 日12:23:23 (219.145.194.143). The victims of china corruption! We
are from Ankang city of Shaanxi province in mainland of China . We are the ...
www.bbsone.com/html.php?file=bbs/life/b5/messages/386.htm - 8k - 补充材料 - 网页快照 - 类似网页

China Corruption - [ 翻译此页 BETA ]
China Corruption. China Corruption. Corruption is probably the biggest danger for
a traveler or tourist. ... China, power, Mexico, definition, Malaysia, India, Vanuatu,
customs, church, Fiji, French, France, Tonga,oil for food corruption, bribery ...
www.hobotraveler.com/co5chinacorruption.php?PHPSESSID=71315cdf84f6bd4a35020f17b9bd916a - 46k - 补充材料 - 网页快照 - 类似网页

Many of those links are downright critical of the Chinese government. There was tons of info on the Tienman Square Massacre. There was info on China's persecution of Falun Gong practitioners. There was info on the invasion of Tibet. There was info on Chinese government corruption. Heck, there was info on Japanese porn stars (and more than just info). All in all, I'd say Google's policy of censure hasn't begun yet. Or if it has, they're really doing a crappy job of it.

[md]

bugzpodder wrote:

you are biased not in how u view google which i fully agrees with, but in which how u perceives ms and yahoo as "evil" and google as "not evil"

First, please learn to type "you" instead of "u" consistantly. It makes things so much nicer.

Second, Microsoft and Yahoo have done more things that were a person to do them would be called "evil" then google. Microsoft's business tacticts are not the subject of this thread, but if you take some time and look at them you'll find that they are rather abusive. And Yahoo has done some pretty flaky things in the past too. There is no opinion here, simply a cold hard look at what each of the companies has done in relation to societies values of good and evil.

[rizzix]

You know you can always back it up, provide examples and make your statements irrefutable. Otherwise, it would be safe to ignore.