Vincent Massey

[Dan]

Persoanly i dislike orgainsed relgione as a hole and the idea that you have to do x to get y in the after life. I belive what is import is staying ture to what you blive in and not what some one has layed down for you to blive in.

[templest]

Hacker Dan wrote:

Persoanly i dislike orgainsed relgione as a hole and the idea that you have to do x to get y in the after life. I belive what is import is staying ture to what you blive in and not what some one has layed down for you to blive in.

That's the beauty about satanism. The rules are pretty much things that _anyone_ would want to do anyways.

The only real sins of Satanism are as follows:

The Satanic Verses: wrote:

For years, people have asked Church of Satan representatives, "Well, okay - your philosophy is based on indulgence of human instincts but do you have sins like any other religion?" Our answer has always been "No". But the time has come to amend that response. We have grown steadily over the past 21 years and find that it is appropriate to have some clear guidelines on, not only what we strive for,but also what we work to avoid - what we disapprove of. The difference is where other religions develop sins that people can't avoid, we consider a number of things "sinful" that people could avoid if they worked a little.

Stupidity -- The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.

Pretentiousness -- Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn't applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone's made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.

Solipsism -- Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They won't. Instead, Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of "Do unto others as they do unto you." It's work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.

Self-deceit -- It's in the Nine Satanic Statements but deserves to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when it's fun, and with awareness. But then, it's not self-deceit!

Herd Conformity -- That's obvious from a Satanic stance. It's all right to conform toa person's wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.

Lack of Perspective -- Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraints -- know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.

Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies -- Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something "new" and "different," when in reality it's something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the "creator" and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.

Counterproductive Pride -- That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you've painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, "I'm sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow," then do it.

Lack of Aesthetics -- This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time so they are discouraged in a consumer society, but "an eye" for for beauty, for balance, is an essential Satanic tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. It's not what's supposed to be pleasing -- it's what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of one's own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.

Anton Szandor LaVey, 1987 c.e.

[templest]

There's also guidlines as to what you can and cannot do. The " Eleven Rules of the World", which are:

The Satanic Verses: wrote:

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
   
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure that they want to hear them.
   
3. When in another's lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
   
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
   
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
   
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the person and he cries out to be relieved.
   
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have used it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
   
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
   
9. Do not harm little children.
   
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless attacked or for your food.
    
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

Anton Szandor LaVey, 1967 c.e.

I don't mind following those at all.

[Mazer]

I could agree with some (not all) of that. And they could have picked a better name, I think.

Also, when did we stop talking about Massey?

[templest]

dodge, you never did answer my question.

[Dan]

templest, the very fact that there are guild lines that speficlky say do not do X or do Y is what i dislike....

[templest]

Hacker Dan wrote:

templest, the very fact that there are guild lines that speficlky say do not do X or do Y is what i dislike....

So you dislike our legal system? Anarchist, are we?

[Andy]

what question?

[McKenzie]

The subject is Vincent Massey. As such we would to expect to see such comments like:
"Wow, I love early release days I can pown you at CS so much earlier in the day"
"I want to wear my hat ic class. why can't I wear my hat in class. This school is sooo mean "
Instead templest want to use it as an opportunity to misguide readers and distort the truth. Oh, Dodge the question templest speaks of is just an opportunity for him to spew his beliefs, don't take the bait.

So back about Vincent Massey.
Is Mr. White different now that he only teaches the ultra-enriched classes?

[Martin]

Ultra-enriched? I heard that he was TAing...but...?

[Andy]

yea he pops in my calc class every now and then and make the rest of us look like idiots by doing 2 page questiosn in 3 lines

[templest]

McKenzie wrote:

The subject is Vincent Massey. As such we would to expect to see such comments like:
"Wow, I love early release days I can pown you at CS so much earlier in the day"
"I want to wear my hat ic class. why can't I wear my hat in class. This school is sooo mean "
Instead templest want to use it as an opportunity to misguide readers and distort the truth. Oh, Dodge the question templest speaks of is just an opportunity for him to spew his beliefs, don't take the bait.

So back about Vincent Massey.
Is Mr. White different now that he only teaches the ultra-enriched classes?

What lies? Who am I misguiding? What truth am I distorting? The answer to these questions and more on the next episode of: "Post By McKenzie!".

dodge, the question was "Who is your god?"; out of curiousity, because you said: "to a god that's not mine", therefor, you must have another god. It seems to me the McKenzie is a christian fanatic that's so narrow minded that he can't bare the fact that someone else might be right for a change besides "Jesus".

[rizzix]

only a fool would say that... i dont see him close minded at all.. his point was quite clear.. "stay on topic"


as far as..

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Instead templest want to use it as an opportunity to misguide readers and distort the truth.

goes.. that's a sly comment.. nothing offensive.. nothing fanatic... rather funny actually

[Mazer]

Oh sure, give him credit for saying it after I said it...
I've got a few VMSS questions:
I hear grade 12's are being taught Java, eh? Ok, not really a question, but this is:
Why isn't McKenzie a university compsci professor? You'd get alot of leet pc components

[Dan]

templest wrote:

So you dislike our legal system? Anarchist, are we?

We have been over this all ready, yes i am

And they are right, stop trolling.