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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 3:17 pm   Post subject: The atheist foundation of Australia's list of ways to get...

Excommunicated!

Remember: BLASPHEMY IS A VICTIMLESS CRIME


indulge extra during lent.

attend blasphemous plays and movies

buy The Satanic Verses

write a Bangladeshi embassy supporting Taslima Nasrin

laugh at sacred things. unsettle the faith of anyone you can

foster reason, critical thinking and self-esteem in children

promote the taxation of churches

promote feminism and access to abortion and contraception

promote separation of church and state

fight creationism and coercive religion in public life

Public Prayer -- Don't Stand for it!

promote human rights for all

eliminate blasphemy from the criminal code

avoid charities that waste money on religious indoctrination

study real biblical criticism and actual ancient history. study clear thinking

Read books by Richard Dawkins, Stephen Jay Gould, Marvin Harris, Carl Sagan, Isaac Asimov, Robert Ingersoll, Daniel Dennett, Paul Kurtz and many more.

Subscribe to Freethought Today, Skeptical Inquirer, Free Inquiry, Humanist in Canada, The Humanist, The Nullifidian, The Skeptical Review and many more.

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Dan




PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 8:39 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

ROFL, ya that "promote human rights for all" dose the job every time.

Hummm, taxing churchs. best idea i have hured all day...
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jonos




PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 9:13 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

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eliminate blasphemy from the criminal code

Hmm... I didn't know it was part of the criminal code (is it?).

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foster reason, critical thinking and self-esteem in children

How is this helping someone get excommunicated? If it is supposed to be a joke aimed at Christians then whoever wrote it is probably just bigoted and prejudiced towards Christians (cough Hacker Dan cough).

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ROFL, ya that "promote human rights for all" dose the job every time.

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Hummm, taxing churchs. best idea i have hured all day...

So you would rather take money from churches to spread out to the social services than allow these churches to send that money to poor countries that need it more than the poor people in Canada? Churches are still a major source of charity towards poor countries and this does not involve missionary work and trying to convert people. This involves people risking their lives to provide medical treatment and schooling in African countries and other countries ravaged by war.
Just because some Christian Coalition guy is a bigot doesn't mean that every Christian is, so you can stop implying that.
Paul




PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 9:56 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Whoa, christians can get excommunicated? didn't know that. This was aimed at Roman Catholics and the Roman Catholic church, but according to my christian friend, Catholics = Christians Laughing
Dan




PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:40 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

jonos wrote:

How is this helping someone get excommunicated? If it is supposed to be a joke aimed at Christians then whoever wrote it is probably just bigoted and prejudiced towards Christians (cough Hacker Dan cough).


nope, just agested all orgiansed relgiogne as a hole.

jonos wrote:

So you would rather take money from churches to spread out to the social services than allow these churches to send that money to poor countries that need it more than the poor people in Canada?


yes

jonos wrote:

Just because some Christian Coalition guy is a bigot doesn't mean that every Christian is, so you can stop implying that.


i did not imply anything in this post, the site from where this is did.

But all christians (and all mosts every other region not just chrisitinas) are like that in some way even if it is very small. They have to be b/c the foundation of the region is that if you are not like X you go to hell. Now how ever you put it that is being perguised agested some one or some gorup unless they chage it to "every gose to heaven, if they whont when they die" rather then only poleop of X relgion, race and/or sexuial perfrence go to heaven whtere they whont or not.
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jonos




PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 5:53 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

I didn't really understand what you said but it is because of your own ignorance that you think that Christians believe that only they will go to heaven. SOME Christians believe this, but the vast majority of Christians DO NOT THINK THIS. You are probably the most ignorant person when it comes to what modern Christians believe - no offence. Maybe if you actually attended a mass you would see that many churches pray for EVERYONE and that many prayers include ALL of humanity and not just Christians.

The Fatima Prayer:
Oh my Jesus, forgive us of our sins, save us from the fires of hell, and lead ALL SOULS TO HEAVEN. Amen.

Did I just see an "ALL" in that prayer, actually I did because I put it in all caps.
Dan




PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 1:17 am   Post subject: (No subject)

jonos wrote:

Oh my Jesus, forgive us of our sins, save us from the fires of hell, and lead ALL SOULS TO HEAVEN. Amen.


i think they mean lead all souls to there region so they can go to heaven . And i dont care how u put it, they are still saying some one is not going to heaven. Other wise there whould be no point in making one up in the 1st place. Also you shure asume alot jonos like that i have never been to a mass and that i do not know anything about the relgion.


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....you will be judged and criticized and condemned..."--Matthew 7:1-2


how nice of them to do that judging for us.


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But I say unto you, that whosoeer is angry with his brother wihout cause shall be in judgement: and whosoever say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Matthew 5:22


wow dose that mean i can go to hell just for being angry or saying "thou fool" Razz


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Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. Matthew 15:14


thats not veary nice, and in case u have not figgered that one out; they are talking about thous who are "ignorant" to god. And i am prity shure the fall into the ditch part is not a good thing....


Any how while on the subject of ciristians being pergusested to poelope, lets think about the crusades. The poleop in Jerusalem kind of got screwed over in that one in the name of god.

You just can not have a place like hevean and hell in a relgion with out making it descirnate agested some one in some way. If it did not, there whould be no point to having such a place in the 1st place. It's all about contorl in the end, you can not contorl the masses with region if there is no up side to belvieing in it and no down side to not. This is why i think ograized regilion is wrong and that it is time for the world to move on, we have evloded behond the need of organiges region. Alougth i have nothing agested personal region that dose not inval picking on minoritys.
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jonos




PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:56 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

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jonos wrote:

Oh my Jesus, forgive us of our sins, save us from the fires of hell, and lead ALL SOULS TO HEAVEN. Amen.


i think they mean lead all souls to there region so they can go to heaven . And i dont care how u put it, they are still saying some one is not going to heaven. Other wise there whould be no point in making one up in the 1st place. Also you shure asume alot jonos like that i have never been to a mass and that i do not know anything about the relgion.


They don't mean all souls belong to their religion. And yes, religion is saying that some people do not make it to heaven. But those are people that commit terrible sin and do not repent. Would you really want someone who raped your son to live in your house? Maybe you would but then you would be stupid.

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....you will be judged and criticized and condemned..."--Matthew 7:1-2


how nice of them to do that judging for us.

Yes, how nice of them. Maybe then you will realize that you may be doing something that is morally and religiously wrong. That is what God is here for, to judge us and then lead us on the path to good and righteousness.

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But I say unto you, that whosoeer is angry with his brother wihout cause shall be in judgement: and whosoever say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Matthew 5:22


wow dose that mean i can go to hell just for being angry or saying "thou fool"

By your comment there, you are basically now in line in my eyes with the idiots and bigots who take the bible literally. I find it confusing that you won't take a prayer literally when it gives a positive message concerning religion, but you will take a negative line literally when it suits you. That is messed up stuff.

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Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. Matthew 15:14


thats not veary nice, and in case u have not figgered that one out; they are talking about thous who are "ignorant" to god. And i am prity shure the fall into the ditch part is not a good thing....

Maybe it will suit you good to fall into a ditch. I can see how in our world of human ingenuity and achievement how you can shrug off the thought of God as unreal and stupid, but look around you in nature and think past just evolution and how it got here. Past science and that.

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Any how while on the subject of ciristians being pergusested to poelope, lets think about the crusades. The poleop in Jerusalem kind of got screwed over in that one in the name of god.

Are you implying that only Christians are prejudiced? You are prejudiced to christians and religion as a whole.

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You just can not have a place like hevean and hell in a relgion with out making it descirnate agested some one in some way. If it did not, there whould be no point to having such a place in the 1st place. It's all about contorl in the end, you can not contorl the masses with region if there is no up side to belvieing in it and no down side to not. This is why i think ograized regilion is wrong and that it is time for the world to move on, we have evloded behond the need of organiges region. Alougth i have nothing agested personal region that dose not inval picking on minoritys.

You are wrong about the church not being able to control people without a heaven and hell. The church controls people through faith and their faith in God, but you don't understand that so I won't ask you to figure it out and understand it.
How has society evolved past organized religion? Your philosophies seem a little messed up where you can attack and condemn a majority, but try to accomodate every single minority. Maybe that will change when you realize that you cannot still keep the peace and accomdate all the minorities at the same time.
Dan




PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:56 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

jonos wrote:

They don't mean all souls belong to their religion. And yes, religion is saying that some people do not make it to heaven. But those are people that commit terrible sin and do not repent. Would you really want someone who raped your son to live in your house? Maybe you would but then you would be stupid.


Try reading my post man, i did not say "all sould belong to their religion" i ment that they are parying for thos poleop to convert to there religion to be "saved" and not go to hell. And it is not about how evil the polep are, it is that by defining what is right and what is wrong in such a black and white way you are disrinagting agested some one some where wrongfully. The world is not black and white like that, there is not right and wrong just all a mix. Every one has there own deiftion of what is rihgth and what is wrong.

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Yes, how nice of them. Maybe then you will realize that you may be doing something that is morally and religiously wrong. That is what God is here for, to judge us and then lead us on the path to good and righteousness.

they are going to help u relixe that you are doing somting morally wrong by sending you to hell?


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Maybe it will suit you good to fall into a ditch. I can see how in our world of human ingenuity and achievement how you can shrug off the thought of God as unreal and stupid, but look around you in nature and think past just evolution and how it got here. Past science and that.


how dose evolution or nature comdeme poleop to hell for what they belive?


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Are you implying that only Christians are prejudiced? You are prejudiced to christians and religion as a whole.


angen you are not reading my post fully, if you read any of my last post you whould have noticed that i was talking about organised region as a hole and am only using examples form christanity b/c you keep bring that one up that was the subject of this topic to being with. if anything i am prejudiced to all regions equaly.

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You are wrong about the church not being able to control people without a heaven and hell. The church controls people through faith and their faith in God...
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How is that diffrent?

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How has society evolved past organized religion? Your philosophies seem a little messed up where you can attack and condemn a majority, but try to accomodate every single minority. Maybe that will change when you realize that you cannot still keep the peace and accomdate all the minorities at the same time.


in your own words: "but you don't understand that so I won't ask you to figure it out and understand it."

you just do not get what i am talking about, i have no problem with relgion when it levals every one alone but once they start going and being perguidce to poleop and grupos there is somting wrong and i blive that saying that a hole gourp of poleop will go to hell is a forum of perduimsime.

also jonos what is up with all the personal atacks in your posts? i dont go around calling poleop sutidted and inorgent every onther line in my post. I will debate your option and may be even say you are wrong but i am not going to start taking it down to the level of insutaling them for arounging there option. In my mind the only poleop that are stuidted or ingonorent are thous that choses not to have an option and will not stand up for what that belives in. (and yes shcoking i did just imply that jonos is not an idiot).
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