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templest




PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2004 8:24 pm   Post subject: Debating...

I want to exercise my debating skills, seeing as no good issue for me to go to work on has come about anywhere, like Dauntless has nicely pointed out, not even the letter to bush counts, I have no strong feelings about the U.S..

Make an argument, and I will counter it, even if I do agree with you, I'm just looking for some good ol' fun. Twisted Evil

Crap, we should start a debating tournament on the weekends, the obvious winner get's 50 bits from loser, that would be teh r0x0rz. Wink
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jonos




PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2004 9:43 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

The Liberals are the best people to look after the money of Canadians. They have a good policy towards everything in Canada, including their form of lying.

The NDP are communists set on taking people's hard-earned money as well as old people's savings when they die.

The Conservatives are corrup, racist, homophobic, and genital smelling pigs.
Tony




PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2004 11:01 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

speaking of politics - isn't there some election coming up soon? Thinking
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JayLo




PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2004 11:35 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

JUNE 28th, BAYBEE. yeah, that was random. (vote conservative.)
Dan




PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 1:02 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Vote anything but conservative or cirstion praty. How about some of the lesser talked about partys like the communist one or the green party. Any that who keep free heath care and schooling in one pice.

GO Socialisum!!!
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templest




PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 2:39 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

If leaders haden't distorted communism so wildly out of how it was intended to be applied, this would be a better world. Shocked
Paul




PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 3:06 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Yes the upcoming election might be the most important one in the twenty first century for Canada, what with Stephen Harper wanting to lower taxes and americanize the healthcare system... do you have to be liberal to be Canadian? (not the party, the ideal Razz)
naoki




PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:00 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

templest wrote:
If leaders haden't distorted communism so wildly out of how it was intended to be applied, this would be a better world. Shocked


I'm going to assume you mean the leaders of communism of today and yesteryear. At which point I would agree. Due to human nature and our imperfections, it's literally impossible to create a communist government which fulfills all of its promises. The leader(s) will somehow become corrupt either by outside forces or their own greed.

So stop thinking about communism, because it's only a dream.
jonos




PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:56 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Naoki is the goddam genius of the whole fucking world!!!

Down with socialism!!! Up with capitalism. Capitalism is the reason for your nice Alienware computer, and you other people's nice Dell over-priced computers. But then again, Microsoft is here because of capitalism... but we all love Microsoft.

Now Dan, please don't go around again calling the Conservatives "corupt" as you did in the provincial election, because as you should now know, the only corrupt part are the Liberals.

And you don't have to be liberal minded to be Canadian, you just have to eat Tim Horton donuts and shit maple syrup.

And Steven Harper is actually supportive of free health care. Even if he were to have a majority government, the Canadian people would not stand for private healthcare as it is ingrained into our society. Many people say "free healthcare" when someone mentions Canada. But according to a recent study/commission/thing on our healthcare and other country's healthcare, Canada needs to shape it the fuck up or we are going to go straight to the shit heap of healthcare. Who wants free healthcare if it sucks shit. Might as well just go to the US and pay 1000 dollars to get a bone fixed correctly instead of having it fucked up even more because of lack of equipment. And lowering taxes stimulates the economy so in the long run it is good. Look what is happening in the US now... their economy is growing at 5.5 percent, while ours is at something around 2 percent.

So three cheers for the Conservatives and the Liberals can kiss my ass.
Tony




PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 7:28 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

you can't just keep on lowering taxes all the time. Some states have 0% income tax and you don't see them have amazing economy anyways.

Point is that while tax cuts might (they don't always do) provide a short economy boost by injecting disposable income, in the long run it screws everybody over anyways.

It doesn't matter if your economy will grow at 10% if in few years your expanded workforce will largely consist of sick idiots because the government cut away from education and healthcare.
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jonos




PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 7:36 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Well America doesn't have free healthcare so that doesn't really affect them. But cutting taxes still does stimulate the economy in the long run (but I am no economist). Steven Harper is not going to cut taxes until we have no taxes. He is going to decrease them and probably still be able to keep healthcare spending stable as well as education spending. It's just that they are going to do away with the mismanagement of money perfected by the Liberals. The Gun Registry is just one example of money (over 1 billion dollars) that could have gone to healthcare or education.
Dan




PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:59 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Ummm, you keep on going unabout how the libs had to rase taxs when they side they whould not, but you are forgeting that when they made this promise they where toald by the last govement that there was no defisite and when they got there they found a nice big one. So who realy is lieing?

Any how i think they should have never side they where not going to raise taxs. We need more taxing of poleop who aucaly have money and less on the poor. Incerasing tax rates when it gose to healthcare is a good thing to me.

And i did not "go around again calling the Conservatives corupt" in this thread, b/c i dont have to it is impleyed. Twisted Evil Realy that is the hole idea aorund there party, give money to the ritch and serivces to the ritch and screw over the other socail classes. So when that is your platform it is hard to get corupted from it unless u like make an even higher social class and screw over the the old high one.

Also i arrge with templest saying "If leaders haden't distorted communism so wildly out of how it was intended to be applied, this would be a better world.". The ideas behind communism are good just the implemations of it have been bad. I mean equal materal rights is a good thing if u ask me (but i may not be the most unbasied person since i do think we should get ride of the hole money system Rolling Eyes )

P.S. i like how you side "probably still be able to keep healthcare". Sums up all the things wrong with that party right in that line.
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jonos




PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 9:09 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Well you are right in the sense that it was a deficit, but the thing is that the year was not only half over so corrective measures could still have been put in place to counter that. And the person who did the review of the finances and whatnot didn't even do an audit, he did a review and made too many assumptions. And the debt wasn't even 6 billions dollars, it was only 2 billion dollars but the Liberals and the "reviewer" window dressed it using complex techniques to make it seem 6 billion dollars. And please don't question me on this, my dad is an auditor.

I was referring to your saying the Conservatives are corrupt comments from a while ago, where you blatantly said they were corrupt. Conservatives don't believe in giving money to the rich, I'm sure many conservatives give more to charity than many socialists. Just to brag, my family gives over 5000 dollars to various charities at the beginning of the year. This does not include giving to socilitors, collections at school, and collections at church. Also, rich people do pay their fare share in taxes... around 30 some percent which is what everyone else pays, so really, that is fair share.

Our healthcare system is fucked in the ass which is in place of it's non-existent head. Not even the NDP can give enough to healthcare to make it good enough (without going into major debt).

Conservatives are not corrupt.
Tony




PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 9:15 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

anyone knows of a reliable source to look up condidates in this election and their platforms?
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Dauntless




PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 9:21 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Templest probably means that Western leaders have distorted communism; the Cold War I'd say made most people associate communism with bad feelings, like threat of nuclear war, or simply just established democrazy as good and everything else as bad. Take the Truman doctrine; it expresses explicitly that the US will fight communism. With all these powerful cultural and political pressures, communism has taken on a completely disproportionate connotation.

Dystopic literature like 1984 and Animal Farm (George Orwell classics we've studied) show an obviously skewed and biased view of communism. You'd hafta wonder if communists write books about dystopias of democrazy....lol.

Jonos is a case in point of Western society's affect on our view of communism. I'd explain more, but do I really need to?

On another note, vote Liberal; they didn't bring Canada into the war with Iraq, they're moving to remedy that Gun Registry fiasco, and Paul Martin is a good guy we can trust.

Taxing the rich makes sense, but if we take it easy on them, we can let our economy run wild. Something I think needs to be taxed more is luxury goods; especially stuff like alcohol and cigarettes; things that have a definite negative effect on Canadians, and by extension the health system. Didn't the Tories say they're gonna increase the military budget? That's no good... Money like that is going to come out of somewhere, if taxes aren't raised; if they are raised, and the rich are taxed, it may put a damper on the economy; if the less-rich are taxed, they'll have less money to spend on the stuff the rich people are selling, so maybe it'll be bad too. Hell, maybe we should just get rid of healthcare, and put it all into military funding. In a few years, we can have our own defense contractors, and our economy can be driven by our military's industrial demands. Then we can attack someone. Preferably France.
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