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Martin




PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:01 am   Post subject: Frames

I'm working on a website, and I need there to be two frames...a top one for a flash navigation bar, and the bottom one for a second flash movie, or a phpbb forum, depending on where the user is in the website. Now, I need this frame to be invisible and not resizable...similar to www.ultrashock.com I guess.

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Martin




PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:02 am   Post subject: (No subject)

uhh...question being how do I do this obviously.
wtd




PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 4:29 am   Post subject: (No subject)

Find another way.

Seriously.

There are other ways.

Frames are pure evil in just about every conceivable way.
Martin




PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 7:57 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Can you recommend another way?
How did ultrashock do it?
wtd




PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 8:35 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Darkness wrote:
Can you recommend another way?


Yes. Put everything on one page. The flash banner navigation thingy (which is itself evil) would go at the top of the page, the stuff in the bottom frame would go at the bottom of the page, and the stuff in the center frame would go in beween.

Darkness wrote:
How did ultrashock do it?


The wrong way.
jonos




PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 9:50 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

you could use includes (ssi or php) to put them in, or inline frames, but im not sure how wtd thinks about those :/ they sometimes cause problems with netscape and mozilla though
wtd




PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 11:40 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

jonos wrote:
you could use includes (ssi or php) to put them in, or inline frames, but im not sure how wtd thinks about those :/ they sometimes cause problems with netscape and mozilla though


Inline frames are not quite as bad, but they still make a design awkward and inflexible. The worst thing is that they make it difficult to directly address a page, since the browser sees no difference in the overall page when you change the contents of one frame.

Including it on the server is a better option.
PaddyLong




PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:55 am   Post subject: (No subject)

yeah man,.. you should try to avoid frames... only thing they're good for is url masking if you feel the need to have it display only your domain or whatever and not actually the file it's on.

Server side includes are the way to go.
wtd




PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 1:58 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

PaddyLong wrote:
yeah man,.. you should try to avoid frames... only thing they're good for is url masking if you feel the need to have it display only your domain or whatever and not actually the file it's on.


And it won't even reliably do that.

The only people who use frames anymore are porn sites, and illegal download sites that redirect to porn sites.
PaddyLong




PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 2:47 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

and newbs on geocities
jonos




PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:58 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

and crack sites that link to porn sites
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