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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 12:21 am   Post subject: (No subject)

I believe that randomizing/generating/stealthing Ips is illegal. Its like a fake id so you can go do bad things.
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jonos




PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 10:21 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

you have a point, put i think the internet should be anonymous and not controlled by anyone for content, but then again harmful viruses are created on the internet, so that needs to be tracked, but there is a line.
Delta




PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 7:00 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

actully in pretty much every case.... harmful viruses are created off line... then brought to the internet... but I'm sure you meant that... Wink
well and they are common in small foreign countries too :S
Dan




PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 10:01 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

doing that anuimuses e-mail thing is not illigea it is how e-mail was desinged to work. all that is need is where it should go no other info is NEED when sending an e-mail so anything eltes can be set to w/e u whont. just seems shocking b/c most comanys and e-mail provides have done there best to almost cover this fact up.
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Kyle




PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:37 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

well if you did have a fack ip and this acts as a fack id how can they track you? Confused
Martin




PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:51 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

jonos wrote:
you have a point, put i think the internet should be anonymous and not controlled by anyone for content, but then again harmful viruses are created on the internet, so that needs to be tracked, but there is a line.


Not controlled for content? So you are saying that it should be legal for there to be child porn sites, or for people to blatantly infringe copyright laws (piracy is a problem right now, if people could just post websites with 'click here and download this movie/game', the industries would die).

Your rights online shouldn't be any different than your rights in the real world.
axej




PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2005 9:10 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

piracy's a real problem. lawsuits are flying everywhere these days and to check it out for yourselves go to any beig asian mall. (sorry if u think that's racist, but hey im asian too).

about firewalls, experienced blackhats (malicious hackers) can attack you even if your behind one. its done with SQL injection. don't ask me what that is.
md




PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 10:42 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

My god some people think they know more then they do... so to correct what has been wrongly stated:

1. Firewalls cannot "randomize" your IP. If you use DHCP to get an IP address then it could change between sessions, and if you have dsl it usually does. But this is a by product of the way your ISP has their network set up, and has nothing to do with your firewall.

2. As it is not even possible to "randomize" you IP it's not illegal to do so. Making imposible things illegal has never really been popular.

3. Routers do not protect you from anything. A router simple transfers data from one network to another. If you're refering to a internet connection sharing router, then what you're really talking about is a router/NAT/firewall. In this case it is the firewall and NAT which provide the protection.

4. Complaining to ISPs generally accomplishes nothing unless you have very good proof. Some don't even track who is using what IP at what time, so it's not even possible to figure out who the trouble maker is.

5. Lirbaries on the other hand are very good at keeping records of who is using what, and they don't like it when people abuse their computers. Telling the library, and giving them a little bit of proof can solve problems fast.

6. IPs are not the same as IDs. Faking an IP in a packet header is neither illegal, nor punishable in anyway. IP addresses simply identify your computer the the network, if you don't want to give your real IP, then don't. You're only hindering yourself.

7. The internet IS free of sensorship. Unfortunatly, individual countries, ISPs and other juristictions places restrictions on the sites which are serves from servers that are on land they control, or on a network they control. ISPs also block sites that they think shouldn't be assessible.

8. Again, IPs != IDs. There is nothing wrong with faking your IP address. Tracking people online is actually illegal in most places, so infact being able to fake your IP so that you cannot be tracked is a good thing.

9. Intellectual Property laws do apply to hte internet; stealing is still stealing. The thing is that music is not covered by that (in Canada) as we pay a levy on all recordable media because it can be used to copy music and video and such.

10. Firewalls are not vulnerable to SQL injection attacks. SQL servers are vulnerable to SQL injection attacks. A SQL server is a database which you comunicate with using SQL. A SQL injection is when an outsider runs an SQL query when they are not supposed to be able to. This is usually though webservers.
axej




PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 11:02 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Cornflake wrote:

3. Routers do not protect you from anything. A router simple transfers data from one network to another. If you're refering to a internet connection sharing router, then what you're really talking about is a router/NAT/firewall. In this case it is the firewall and NAT which provide the protection.

most routers have built in firewalls these days and people expect that from the companies that manufactue the routers, so people now think that routers are firewalls, but there not.
[Gandalf]




PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 11:10 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Quote:
1. Firewalls cannot "randomize" your IP. If you use DHCP to get an IP address then it could change between sessions, and if you have dsl it usually does. But this is a by product of the way your ISP has their network set up, and has nothing to do with your firewall.

2. As it is not even possible to "randomize" you IP it's not illegal to do so. Making imposible things illegal has never really been popular.

When you have a changing ip (dynamic ip), you have to keep in mind that your ip is still always in a certain range. Someone can just as easily block that range of ip's as just one.

Quote:
6. IPs are not the same as IDs. Faking an IP in a packet header is neither illegal, nor punishable in anyway. IP addresses simply identify your computer the the network, if you don't want to give your real IP, then don't. You're only hindering yourself.

Does the same thing apply to email addresses?
Amailer




PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2005 5:39 am   Post subject: (No subject)

My IP range is screwed up, it goes from 63. (starting number) 64. to 7. Shocked

And don't routers block all ports excet the ones you forward? Isn't that sorta... protection?
Martin




PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2005 9:09 am   Post subject: (No subject)

Cornflake wrote:
2. As it is not even possible to "randomize" you IP it's not illegal to do so. Making imposible things illegal has never really been popular.


I completely disagree with the second part of this.
md




PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2005 1:38 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

[Gandalf] wrote:

Quote:
6. IPs are not the same as IDs. Faking an IP in a packet header is neither illegal, nor punishable in anyway. IP addresses simply identify your computer the the network, if you don't want to give your real IP, then don't. You're only hindering yourself.

Does the same thing apply to email addresses?

Yes, e-mail is a one way system. Giving a reply address means that the person you're sending the message to can reply, but it is not required. Despite what many people would like you to believe, there is no law specifying that you must suply a valid return e-mail address; even the can-spam act in the states does not specify that you must.

Amailer wrote:
Don't routers block all ports excet the ones you forward? Isn't that sorta... protection?

Again your confusing routers with the "routers" sold to home users. A Router simply routs traffic; the network on one side is completly visible to the network on the other. There is no port forwarding, as all ports on all computers are visible to both networks. Home "routers" are actually router/NAT/firewall appliances. The NAT is the part you are refering to when you talk about port forwarding, and yes it does provide some small protection, however once you open a single port you are providing a hole for attackers to get into.

Martin wrote:

Cornflake wrote:

2. As it is not even possible to "randomize" you IP it's not illegal to do so. Making imposible things illegal has never really been popular.


I completely disagree with the second part of this.


Ok, ok. Making imposible things illegal is rather popular in some places; but I like to think that if we let the stupid people do things that make them feel important maybe then won't screw up the things which matter.
md




PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 11:40 am   Post subject: (No subject)

Hmmm... a double post sperated by days...

Anyways, I was wondering if the no flaming rules might be bent a little so I can flame the shit out of the spammer morons who seem to have infected the boards...
Bacchus




PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:01 pm   Post subject: (No subject)

Please go and execute your program from your signature on them, they are starting to get Very annoying.
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