PC's Or Mac's Poll

[rdrake]

insectoid @ Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:39 pm wrote:

Exactly. People would buy the computers, because they're $150 cheaper or whatever windows costs, they get exposed to Linux, they like it, Linux gets popular, Windows dies. (I'm talking about brands like MDG, Dell, etc. Popular, yet still crap).

Wal-Mart did sell $200 headless PCs with Linux on them in their US stores. They pulled it from the store shelves because "they're not really what our customers are looking for."

Dell still does sell PCs with Ubuntu pre-installed on them.

[Dan]

AV @ 4th December 2008, 4:07 pm wrote:

Already do have 2 running windows XP. This one is for compiling large files and video editing. Thats why I'm putting 30gb in it.

Words can not express how bad an idea this is. But it's your money, go nuts.

[Jack140]

btiffin @ Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:26 pm wrote:

Not going to vote. Prefer both. Depends on what is in front of me, and either beats neither.

Cheers

I could of put the "both" option, but I wanted to see what you people really like... I agree that sometimes its hard to judge whether one type is better than the other. In reality, there will always be one that is potentially "preferable" than another one.

[isaiahk9]

I think the main reason for picking PC is like this :
1. Because majority of computer users uses PC, and Mac/PC compatability is akward in the least, if one wants to be able to interact with majority of the world, they'll get a windows.
2. Programs are made for PC before Mac.
3. Mac commercials are terrible. rant - Honestly, the raw appeal to youth and commercialism . . . makes me not want to get a Mac.

[wtd]

isaiahk9 @ Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:34 am wrote:

I think the main reason for picking PC is like this :
1. Because majority of computer users uses PC, and Mac/PC compatability is akward in the least, if one wants to be able to interact with majority of the world, they'll get a windows.

What compatibility issues have you encountered? There are very few left, and pertain to very specific niche uses of computers.

isaiahk9 @ Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:34 am wrote:

2. Programs are made for PC before Mac.

A lot of really fantastic programs are made for Macs which never show up on PCs.

isaiahk9 @ Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:34 am wrote:

3. Mac commercials are terrible. rant - Honestly, the raw appeal to youth and commercialism . . . makes me not want to get a Mac.

I like Apple's commercials. But that's subjective and you're entitled to your opinion.

But to limit your choices for such a superficial reason? That's just foolish.

[isaiahk9]

1. Things such as file types. It's not too bad, but there is a reason why windows is the number one operating system in the world.

2. That is true, however there are many more fantastic programs for Windows that will never appear on Macs.

3. I just don't like them, for various reasons. Actually, I think commercials should be considered a good barometer of the product.

Every company wants to sell their product. Because this is such a fundamentally important aspect, and air time is so expensive, billions are poured into commercials, publication, community appeal, etc. When a company can come up with is only that (which I loathe for several reasons), I think that is a good indicator of the quality of the product. Although, I would limit myself just off commercials.

Oh, and the three main reasons why I think the commercials are . . . distasteful to me :
1. The artist of the song (New Song) that plays during the end of the commercials are not paying full rights to the artist, because of a copywrite loophole.
2. The appeal of trying to make macs look like a young, modern man and PC's as a decrepit nerdy older man (who is quite stupid) is an irrelevant philosophy - the straw-man.
3. The fact that macs show no technological aspects at all means that they probably are appealing to the "simpleton" - as such computers are dumbed down so that point 2. is re-inforced.

Anyway, like this thread was made for, that's just my opinion. I'm entitled to mine, and you're entitled to yours.

. . . . that just means that I won't necessarily care about yours.

[Dan]

isaiahk9 @ 12th December 2008, 5:28 pm wrote:

1. Things such as file types. It's not too bad, but there is a reason why windows is the number one operating system in the world.

Becues MS made deals with almost all PC manufacutres to force peoleop to get there PC with windows on it?

I don't think that realy says anything about the OS, and even if peoleop willing bought windows it still is a logical fallacy to say that means anything as to the value of Windows over any other OS just becues more poeleop have/use it.

[wtd]

isaiahk9 @ Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:28 am wrote:

1. Things such as file types. It's not too bad, but there is a reason why windows is the number one operating system in the world.

Name a type of file I wouldn't be able to open on a Mac that I can under Windows.

[wtd]

wtd @ Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:50 am wrote:

isaiahk9 @ Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:28 am wrote:

1. Things such as file types. It's not too bad, but there is a reason why windows is the number one operating system in the world.

Name a type of file I wouldn't be able to open on a Mac that I can under Windows.

Quote:

The fact that macs show no technological aspects at all means that they probably are appealing to the "simpleton" - as such computers are dumbed down so that point

Which "technological aspects" would you like the ads to feature?

[isaiahk9]

ha ha. I never thought my opinion could generate so much response.

@Dan : Yeah, I'm not going to argue with that. I got sorta off track.

@wtd : I meant not files like the ones you save, but applications - I can't just go to download.com or a similar source if I wanted to play MOHAA for a mac.

And by technological aspects, I just meant that most computer adds will be a "component add" - that it flaunts its capabilities and aspects.

A computer monitor says how it's resolution, color quality, size are beyond the competition.

A computer console says how it's memory, machine cycles and video/sound card are beyond the competition.

A mac? They say that they can fit a laptop (with no USB ports or CD trays, and is very breakable) into an envelope.

Maybe you're right, maybe I'm right. Whatever, its just an opinion poll.

[gianni]

isaiahk9: So far you haven't really proven any of your claims regarding differentiating technology and compatibility. Also, the fact that you can both emulate and natively run Windows on a mac negates whatever claims you may have made - had they been true. Just because you haven't looked for a mac alternative to download.com, it doesn't mean they don't exist (there are a ton BTW). The mac community is known for its indie dev houses that create some of the best and most popular software titles available.

As well, the MacbookAir is an ultralight/ultraportable, it makes perfect sense to advertise and put emphasis on it's slender profile.

[ecookman]

gianni @ Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:13 pm wrote:

As well, the MacbookAir is an ultralight/ultraportable, it makes perfect sense to advertise and put emphasis on it's slender profile.

also ultra-distructable

a guy my friend know had yes i just said had one he leaned up on a wall with his backpack...guess what was in the backpack all i have to say is SNAP -2k

[Insectoid]

I think the Air is just...no. Thinness only goes so far. The need to connect to an external CD drive is just too much work, and it's delicateness is just as ecookman pointed out. I don't need a laptop to be that thin, my Macbook Pro is thin/light enough, cost the same or less, and is far more powerful (and has built-in CD Drive! :O ). Sure, mac laptops are limited compared to what's out there for windows, but Mac is just so much better (IMO)

[isaiahk9]

@gianni : Okay, if you really wanted to bring this to a real argument :
First of all, I never actually made claims of differentiating technology. I made claims based off the ideas of awkward (not incompatible, but awkward) file types (which is compatibility).
For an example : the top ten computer games of 2008, only two of them could be accessed by macs (originally). What more are you asking as proof for compatible? Sure, its not incompatible. But the file transfer it takes is an extra step. Some programs can't even be transferred (which is why on gaming sites, there are separate sections for PC and Mac, as they are nearly (but not completely) exclusive).
What else are you looking for as something as proof for the compatibility claims?

True, you can run windows on a Mac. But, had you read my post above, you would've said that I had agreed with Dan, and had just gotten side-tracked. As well, this would not negate my points :
Lets say we have person A and B. I say person A is healthy, and Person B has a fatal heart condition. Right?
What you're saying (where patient A represents windows, patient B represents mac) is that Person B is perfectly healthy because we can rip out the heart from Person A and perform a transplant.
Just because a thing can be fixed does not mean it isn't broken.
And, had you read above, I'd already covered this.

I know there are Mac download sites. But had you looked carefully, you would've noticed that because there are fewer Mac users than PC (notice the poll in this thread), there are fewer downloads. As such, many programs available for PC originally are not available for Mac.
And, if they all were, this would relate to my patient/doctor metaphor above.

You claim of me having unsupported claims - yet you airily say "The mac community is known for its indie dev houses that create some of the best and most popular software titles available". Care to name some?

On a side-note, the Macbook air is ultra-light/ultra portable, but I personally believe it has been brought to a point of foolishness. So what if the Macbook air can fit in an envelope, if I can't access USB ports (which is almost all computer add-ons nowadays), or CDs?

Dang, I get so worked up over nothing. Oh well.


Arguments include : inclusive personnel, calling blind-man's-bluff, calling red-herring, calling pathetic fallacy, calling strawman.

[wtd]

The MacBook Air has a USB port that's quite accessible. Have you ever actually seen a Mac?