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Ktomislav




PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:54 am   Post subject: 1 = -1

Maybe some of you already now this.
But I will prove to the rest of you that 1 = - 1. There's something wrong in that, and you have to figure out what is it.

i is an imaginary unit and i? = -1

i? = i * i
-1 = sqrt (-1) * sqrt (-1)
-1 = sqrt (-1 * (-1))
-1 = sqrt (1)
-1 = 1

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Zeroth




PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:26 am   Post subject: Re: 1 = -1

Thats easy. You can't pull the two sqrt(-1)'s together into one sqrt.
Ktomislav




PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:32 am   Post subject: Re: 1 = -1

Zeroth @ 24.9.2008, 14:26 wrote:
Thats easy. You can't pull the two sqrt(-1)'s together into one sqrt.


Yes, that's it. Crying or Very sad

And how about this one. This one is easier.

2a-a+2b-b=2c-c
2a+2b+2c=a+b+c
2(a+b+c)=a+b+c
2=1

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jbking




PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:47 am   Post subject: Re:1 = -1

In the second one, there is the point that a+b+c=0 which is why you couldn't divide both sides by that and still have a valid equation.
Ktomislav




PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:52 am   Post subject: Re: 1 = -1

Yes, that's it. Laughing
You are too smart. Mr. Green Mr. Green
And you probably new that before. Smile
Zeroth




PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:33 am   Post subject: Re: 1 = -1

Theres also the fact that you mixed up some of the signs in the moving of variables. Razz
gitoxa




PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:19 pm   Post subject: Re: 1 = -1

My favourite mathematical proof.

x = 0.999...
10x = 9.999...
10x - x = 9.999... - 0.999...
9x = 9
x = 1
1 = 0.999...
CodeMonkey2000




PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:35 pm   Post subject: Re: 1 = -1

Ktomislav @ Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:32 am wrote:
Zeroth @ 24.9.2008, 14:26 wrote:
Thats easy. You can't pull the two sqrt(-1)'s together into one sqrt.


Yes, that's it. Crying or Very sad

And how about this one. This one is easier.

2a-a+2b-b=2c-c
2a+2b+2c=a+b+c
2(a+b+c)=a+b+c
2=1

Very Happy


That's assuming that a+b+c is not equal to zero. So it's not a real proof Very Happy


@Zeroth I believe you can. But the fallacy in that one was that sqrt has 2 values, +/- and he didn't evaluate both, and assumed positive.
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Tony




PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:17 pm   Post subject: Re: 1 = -1

gitoxa @ Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:19 pm wrote:
My favourite mathematical proof.

1 = 0.999...


@Ktomislav -- I was contemplating putting that one up for you, and I guess gitoxa went ahead. Try to find a flaw with that. Wink
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CodeMonkey2000




PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:32 pm   Post subject: Re:1 = -1

I not sure about that one. Real numbers vs. integers?
Tony




PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:57 pm   Post subject: Re:1 = -1

Integers are real numbers (are a subset of).
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:27 am   Post subject: Re: 1 = -1

gitoxa @ Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:19 pm wrote:
1 = 0.999...

There is nothing wrong here.
Dan




PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:03 am   Post subject: Re:1 = -1

For thous wondering: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.999...
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Tony




PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:59 am   Post subject: Re:1 = -1

Thus the emphasis and the winking in the original question. Yes, it was a trick question -- there is no flaw. Although it appears that some might think that there might be. Razz
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Ktomislav




PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:05 am   Post subject: Re:1 = -1

Tony @ 25.9.2008, 15:59 wrote:
Thus the emphasis and the winking in the original question. Yes, it was a trick question -- there is no flaw. Although it appears that some might think that there might be. Razz


But 1 is not equal to 0.999...
If you use that formula it may be is, but in fact it is not. Smile
It is an exception. (it must be) Smile
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