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[Thorgram]

I need a lot of help with C++. I have done both Turing and Ready to Program with Java in school, but now I want to use C++. The problem is that I don't know where to start. Can anyone help? I have download Dev C++, but I have been told that it is not a good program for C++.

[michaelp]

http://www.punbb-hosting.com/forums/programvillage/page.php?id=1

Those are some useful C++ links.
I recommend reading the book C++ A Dialog, bu Steve Heller. It's a great book, I'm currently reading it too.

[btiffin]

This may be poor advice, but I'd start with C then graduate to C++. Instead of difficult, C++ then looks like an easy way out of some grunt C coding. And I'm also a fan of D. C++ without some of the sharp edges.

Perhaps a visit to http://www.cprogramming.com/ and being an unfan of IDE's and GUI development the next step would be either a full fledged GNU/Linux install, or at the least, Cygwin. From there the GNU Compiler Collection. gcc, g++ and the binutils.

The GCC is an awesome free development environment imho, the swiss army chainsaw (to borrow a Perl expression) of computing. And for D there is a GCC frontend, gdc.

Best of skill (luck should not be part of a developers vocab) umm, unless your name is Apomb or Jeff and people's ratlike addiction to random reward, helps to pay the bills.

Cheers

[michaelp]

Learn C so you learn C++?!?!? :O
I'm pretty sure that is frowned upon ( learning C if you already know you will learn C++ ) by most C++ developers/programmers, since you learn some bad habits of C when moving onto C++.

[apomb]

um michaelp, sorry to have to say this, but your site lacks depth, why would you direct him to a site that has less content than the site he has intelligently chosen to seek help from?

[michaelp]

It's just one page...
At least there isn't "bad" content on the site. (I hope )

[wtd]

Thorgram, you need to post specific questions, or no, we can't help you. Also, keep in mind that you'll need to show us code so we can get an idea of where you are in terms of understanding.

You'll have to be willing to let us tear that code to shreds and not take it personally, too.

[md]

md's method of learning C++: learn pascal, then C; and finally go "To hell with this" and start writing stuff that looks like C++ code. If it compiles, congrats! If not change as required.

In all actuallity there are quite a few good "learn C++" books out there. Just be sure to get one that doesn't teach an IDE and post here frequently if you have questions.

[nike52]

If you need a book, I can recommend C++ How to Program, Fifth Edition. I've partly learned the c++ material from the book, and so far, It's not bad, no complaints. Well, , except one, sometimes the exercises in the books are boring and repetitive, that's when I like to use the c++ I learned for ccc problems http://cemc.uwaterloo.ca/ccc/past/previous_contests.shtml, which will exercise your problem solving skills/programming skills at the same time.

About devshed c++, it's a fine compiler, I use it myself. Just don't learn the IDE deeply, it's not worth it.

[Thorgram]

Thanks for the help guys. I decided to stick with Devshed and I bought "Sam teach yourself C++". Now I can do basic stuff like and hope to post my first game soon.

[Rigby5]

Md has a good point.

If you learn a strongly typed language like Pascale, and a weakly typed language like C, then you can easily learn almost any language.
C++ is a the least generic, so it does not carry over well into other languages or necessarily good programming practices.
So of the worst code I have ever seen was C++, because people did things without knowing why you should or shouldn't.

[md]

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