Pope John Paul II did NOT believe in God.

[Martin]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13340672/

I can't think of any other reason for him to say this.

[Dan]

It's cleary double think. The vadican blives in god, yet at the same time they know they should discorage things that could disprove god. 1984 all the way

Any how this makes me whont to play one of thos MC Hawking songs

Honstly i realy admire hawking for his efforts dispite his disbality, and how he encorges others with physical disabilities to "not to give up on their ambitions."

Tho as much as i adimre him and his work i do not think it will find the awsers to "why are we here" as much as it will the how and the where questions.


P.S. why am i waring a dress?

[Martin]

It seems this quote was somewhat out of context. Here is a better version:

http://www.catholicleague.org/06press_releases/quarter%202/060616_Hawking.htm

John Paul II wrote:

Every scientific hypothesis about the origin of the world, such as the one that says that there is a basic atom from which the whole of the physical universe is derived, leaves unanswered the problem concerning the beginning of the universe. By itself science cannot resolve such a question"¦.' The pope then quoted Pope Pius XII as saying, 'We would wait in vain for an answer from the natural sciences which declare, on the contrary, that they honestly find themselves faced with an insoluble enigma.'

Still kind of suspect, but not as much so.

[Clayton]

what do you mean Pope John Paul II didnt believe in God??? all this article suggests is that he does... he even says "It's OK to study the universe and where it began. But we should not inquire into the beginning itself because that was the moment of creation and the work of God." I mean, you cant really say that he didnt believe in God...

[Dan]

Martin wrote:

It seems this quote was somewhat out of context. Here is a better version:

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Still kind of suspect, but not as much so.

Althougth i blive that he dose blive in god in some level, i do not blive that qoute is vaild. here is why:

1. the 1st link you gave made it sound that this was toald to hawking in private.

2. the sorce of that qoute is catholicleague.org

3. i have no dougth that this qoute was side but i do dougth that it was the one hawking was refuring to.


I could be worng tho, i just do not like basied news sorces.

MSNBC > catholicleague

[Martin]

SuperFreak82 wrote:

what do you mean Pope John Paul II didnt believe in God??? all this article suggests is that he does... he even says "It's OK to study the universe and where it began. But we should not inquire into the beginning itself because that was the moment of creation and the work of God." I mean, you cant really say that he didnt believe in God...

Suppose that you found the solution to a really difficult math question, and, after checking it over and over, you were 100% certain that you were correct. Would you: a) Publish your findings to allow the whole world to see, and give them the chance to prove or disprove your work or b) Tell people that you're right, but not let them check your proof?

If the Pope truly believed in God, why would he be afraid of people exploring the origins of the universe?

[[Gandalf]]

Martin, please don't post misleading topic titles, thanks. You, or the whole world, believing a fact doesn't make it true.

[Martin]

[Gandalf] wrote:

Martin, please don't post misleading topic titles, thanks. You, or the whole world, believing a fact doesn't make it true.

Why would he tell scientists not to research something if he was absolutely convinced of what they would find? I think that the title of this post is about as accurate as it can get.

[Clayton]

Ah, but Martin, what says that he was scared of people looking into the origins of the world, he basically said "why waste your time when God has created the world", i can see where your coming from, but you havent convinced me about it

[Martin]

SuperFreak82 wrote:

Ah, but Martin, what says that he was scared of people looking into the origins of the world, he basically said "why waste your time when God has created the world", i can see where your coming from, but you havent convinced me about it

Don't you think that it would be a huge reaffirmation of faith if Stephen Hawking found God (as the Pope should expect)? Having an understanding of why and how will win far more followers than a vague 'God dunnit'.

If I showed you a math formula and said that the answer was 6, people might believe it was 6. If someone else came along and said 'No, it's 7!' they might believe that person instead, even if neither of us offered any explanation as to how or why we got that answer. If a third person came and explained the formula in detail to everyone, the majority of people would believe that person (and would be better off for it too).

[Mazer]

Martin wrote:

[Gandalf] wrote:

Martin, please don't post misleading topic titles, thanks. You, or the whole world, believing a fact doesn't make it true.

Why would he tell scientists not to research something if he was absolutely convinced of what they would find?

Evidence that he is indeed Emperor Palpatine? Shit, I wouldn't want people to find that either.

But I don't see how it means anything. The man believes that the beginning of everything isn't for man to know. I don't see how scientists are going to look back and say "Oh, hey! There's no God after all!"

[[Gandalf]]

Martin wrote:

I think that the title of this post is about as accurate as it can get.

Fine. I'll make it more accurate, and by just a minor modification of words: "Maybe Pope John Paul II did not believe in God." You can't possibly be certain of the fact.

[Clayton]

@ Martin: That may be, but what if it was something about religion in itself? What if he didnt want people looking into the Earth's past because of his religion and his strong belief in God, remember, he is supposedly so religious, that he needs no further proof of God's existence, as it is supposed to be to all people involved in religion.

That being said, he would say there is no point in looking into the creation of Earth, because his belief in the existence of God is so unshakably strong. Why would he need to know the "scientific" explanation of how the earth formed? He knows, from his faith, that God is the ultimate creator, and that there is no other explanation of how the world got here.

Now FYI, I'm a strong believer in the big bang theory, that is my belief, I have seen strong evidence about it and I tend to believe it, however, in this case i feel that Pope John II had a reason for saying what he said, and I am taking my past knowledge of religion and applying it here. If anyone else has anything to say : Bring it on

[Martin]

Doing that would mean that people would have to add 'maybe' to the beginning of almost every sentence they posted.

Of course it's just an opinion. You can't be certain of anything.

[[Gandalf]]

Simply, you write it as a fact when it clearly is not. There is a difference between something you, and others, are very sure about and something which you speculate.