Globe and Mail University Report Card

[Dan]

Hikaru79 wrote:

The data was compiled from students who voluntarily registered for a website to participate. Lakehead has internet access, doesn't it? What did you want them to do, send reporters to every University and force those students to register?

1st of all this site was not about ranking univrsitys, it was about schooler ships for slected universitys. Why whould lakehead students regesiter there if there was no lakehead schoolerships aviable at that time?

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And you can't say that Lakehead didn't know about this -- the "Report Card" is a pretty famous thing that they do yearly, even I've heard of it and I'm not even at University yet. It's not the newspaper's fault that out of the entire school population, not even 250 kids felt like signing up. Lakehead was not "overlooked" in any way...

1st of all aucatly i have never hured of it b4 this year and the old real one that i know of is the maclains one witch had no problem geting data for lakehead. 2ndly it is there fault when they use a baised sorce for there data. i allready expained why it was baised quite well.

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Actually there's a simple reason why nobody cares - Lakehead resides in Northern Ontario, aka the middle of nowhere.

Seriously though, I lived there my whole life... and it's better when you don't have weekly bear warnings.

I am hoping you ment this in a joking way b/c lakehead is very import to northen studys and is one of a few unis in ontraio that is going to have a medical school. The localtion of the univierity dose not effect the qualitys of it other then the distacne from where you live.

Also thos bear warnings are not weekly, monthly at best =p

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[Hikaru79]

Hacker Dan wrote:

Hikaru79 wrote:

The data was compiled from students who voluntarily registered for a website to participate. Lakehead has internet access, doesn't it? What did you want them to do, send reporters to every University and force those students to register?

1st of all this site was not about ranking univrsitys, it was about schooler ships for slected universitys. Why whould lakehead students regesiter there if there was no lakehead schoolerships aviable at that time?

So that they can participate in the survey. Thousands of other university students had no problems finding the site and registering. It wasn't some big guarded secret that the Globe carefully orchestrated in order to keep Lakehead away from. It's something they've been doing for YEARS, its quite well known. Believe me, no Globe representatives travelled to any of the other universities on that list to get them to participate. It was allllll voluntary.

Hacker Dan wrote:

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And you can't say that Lakehead didn't know about this -- the "Report Card" is a pretty famous thing that they do yearly, even I've heard of it and I'm not even at University yet. It's not the newspaper's fault that out of the entire school population, not even 250 kids felt like signing up. Lakehead was not "overlooked" in any way...

1st of all aucatly i have never hured of it b4 this year and the old real one that i know of is the maclains one witch had no problem geting data for lakehead. 2ndly it is there fault when they use a baised sorce for there data. i allready expained why it was baised quite well.

Yeah, sure, the survey is biased, as most surveys are. However, the whole point of the survey was to make it different from all the other rankings that exist out there -- instead of it being judged by a jury or by McLean's executives or whatever, it gets to be evaluated by the students themselves. A neat idea. Yes, its biased unless they force a proportionate amount from each school to participate, but again I ask you -- how can you blame Globe and Mail for not enough students in your school not participating in a VOLUNTARY SURVEY?

[Tony]

Dan -- this is all quite simple. Next year register 250 account in Lakehead's name and skew the results into AA+ for every category. See if Globe&Mail publishes that

[codemage]

I still like the survey better, in general than the Macleans version.

The students may be biased too; but they're likely more informed about most of the issues concerning campus life than a bunch of old white guys that live in a corporate office.

[Dan]

Hikaru79 wrote:

So that they can participate in the survey. Thousands of other university students had no problems finding the site and registering. It wasn't some big guarded secret that the Globe carefully orchestrated in order to keep Lakehead away from. It's something they've been doing for YEARS, its quite well known. Believe me, no Globe representatives travelled to any of the other universities on that list to get them to participate. It was allllll voluntary.

To my knogeal non of thos unsivirity students when to this site for the reason of doing the survay and there reason was scoraships. The golba and main just used there data base as a sorce to find students. This could have been done much better by simpley asking the unvieritys to email there studens with a link to the serveray. But no the globe toke the lazy way out. Also if the ranking is quite well know (witch is debatable) the sorce for it is not, and i do not blive that you could honstly say where the data was coming from befor you read this topic.

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Yeah, sure, the survey is biased, as most surveys are. However, the whole point of the survey was to make it different from all the other rankings that exist out there -- instead of it being judged by a jury or by McLean's executives or whatever, it gets to be evaluated by the students themselves. A neat idea. Yes, its biased unless they force a proportionate amount from each school to participate, but again I ask you -- how can you blame Globe and Mail for not enough students in your school not participating in a VOLUNTARY SURVEY?

As a reptuable sorce of news and infromtation the golab is expcted and recuried to get ride of as much bais from there news as posable. This is what ture journalish is about, they are not fox news affter all. 2ndly i blive that mclaines rankings are largerly deptermined by students and poeleop atented that school as well as facts like the phd to non phd ratio for the school and there funding levels. How can i blame globe and mail? simple they used a know to be basied sorce for there data that forced lakehead to not have enougth repusation. It whould be like talking a waterloo phone book to find students and then using it to rate u of t. It just dose not work, and is just dumb to do so. Also i blive you are forgeting that we do not know why lakehead was not in the report, we are just gusing this is the reason. the golb and mail did not see fit to repsoed to my letters. Also about studys; if you do not have enought data for a secrent element of your studty the hole study is falwed and can not be a vaild comperson, thus it should never have been published to begin with.

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Dan -- this is all quite simple. Next year register 250 account in Lakehead's name and skew the results into AA+ for every category. See if Globe&Mail publishes that Laughing

You know i think i just might, remined me next year and we can have some fun. Hell lets make up our own uni and give it A++ and see if they even check that.

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I still like the survey better, in general than the Macleans version.

The students may be biased too; but they're likely more informed about most of the issues concerning campus life than a bunch of old white guys that live in a corporate office.

Indeed they are basied but as i side above the macleans verson i blive is partly student suvary based, aswell as hard facts like funding levels and ratios that are not basied.

[1of42]

Frankly, all the surveys are biased, so getting into a huff about it will get you absolutely nowhere. In any case, I don't think many people actually pay much attention to those things - do they?

[Cervantes]

Good point. I'd rather judge for myself.

However, I cannot judge everything about the university in a visit (or two). And there are things I can't judge for myself regardless of how many times I visit--things such as teaching quality.

[Tony]

Cervantes wrote:

things such as teaching quality.

If you come back to Waterloo again during a weekday, you could shadow one of the students to all the lectures.

[Cervantes]

Touche.
But I doing so for all the universities one is interested in may be too much. Also, I certainly couldn't see all the professors teach (in the area I am interested in) in one day. Furthermore, I wouldn't know what the heck their talking about, so it'd be hard to judge if they are effectively conveying the ideas to the real students.

Basically, all I'm saying is that these report cards are good resources, but they should not be the only resource.

[1of42]

Cervantes wrote:

Basically, all I'm saying is that these report cards are good resources, but they should not be the only resource.

Bingo. Additionally, just because whatever school you go to/happen to like gets what you believe to be an unfavorable review, doesn't mean you should become rabid and write long posts about how the entire process is biased and stupid....

[Dan]

1of42 wrote:

Cervantes wrote:

Basically, all I'm saying is that these report cards are good resources, but they should not be the only resource.

Bingo. Additionally, just because whatever school you go to/happen to like gets what you believe to be an unfavorable review, doesn't mean you should become rabid and write long posts about how the entire process is biased and stupid....

I am not "become[ing] rabid and writ[ing] long posts about how the entire process is biased and stupid" beacuse my school got an "unfavorable review" i am upset beacouse my uni and serveral others where totaly left out of the review complety. If you aucatly read what i was saying you whould know this but rather you just desied to post and flame.

This whould be a good resource if they aucatly reviewed all the unis. But how is it sposted to help me make up my mind is persay i was thinking about chaing to u of w (witch i am not)? I mean you can not just leave out unis and still have journalist interogrity. That whould be like comaper OS and leaving out linux. And it dose not matter if it will allways have a small biase, what dose mater is having a big one that can be corected. A jorunalits job is to try to be unbasied as posable, in this case they are being lazy and that is what has me upset.

To 1of42: falming is not within the rules of this site. If you whould like to aucatly read my posts and then have an integencte debate about it that is fine but it is quite clear to me that you have not.

[1of42]

Show me one single place where I made a comment that went any further than commenting on how I think you're overreacting? The fact that you disagree with my opinion does not make it flaming. A flame would be something like "OMFG you're so dumb, Lakehead isn't on there cuz it SUX lol!". Notice I don't say that.

[Hikaru79]

1of42 wrote:

Show me one single place where I made a comment that went any further than commenting on how I think you're overreacting? The fact that you disagree with my opinion does not make it flaming. A flame would be something like "OMFG you're so dumb, Lakehead isn't on there cuz it SUX lol!". Notice I don't say that.

What he's saying is that you said that he said that the Globe gave Lakehead an unfavourable review. His point is that the Globe didn't give Lakehead any review at all, so you accusing him of being sore at the paper for a not-nice review makes no sense. That's all.

[1of42]

Hikaru79 wrote:

1of42 wrote:

Show me one single place where I made a comment that went any further than commenting on how I think you're overreacting? The fact that you disagree with my opinion does not make it flaming. A flame would be something like "OMFG you're so dumb, Lakehead isn't on there cuz it SUX lol!". Notice I don't say that.

What he's saying is that you said that he said that the Globe gave Lakehead an unfavourable review. His point is that the Globe didn't give Lakehead any review at all, so you accusing him of being sore at the paper for a not-nice review makes no sense. That's all.

That's true, I worded my post wrongly. However, the idea is the same. I'm sure he wouldn't be irritated if some small university in Newfoundland got omitted, but because it was the one he happened to go to, he got inflamed about it, which in itself is a bias.

However...

Hacker Dan wrote:

To 1of42: falming is not within the rules of this site.

That doesn't look like him saying that I'm not making sense. That looks like him overreacting to what I'm saying, and implicitly threatening to use the fact that he runs the site to take punitive action against me because I disagree with him.

[Cervantes]

1of42 wrote:

I disagree with him.

Indeed, so let's just agree to disagree, shall we?