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Girl Ruins Marriage

Author:  Aange10 [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:20 pm ]
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Well, it had to be shown.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyFmlP5CX0w&feature=autoplay&list=PL819A1D0B1E3253DD&lf=plcp&playnext=6

Author:  Raknarg [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:33 pm ]
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Dear god.

Author:  Aange10 [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:40 pm ]
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*like

Author:  Insectoid [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:45 pm ]
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I knew back when they aired that show that it was a bad idea. The sad thing is, most people would have very similar answers to those questions.

Author:  Dan [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:09 pm ]
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I find it tragic, in that the polygraph test is bascily pseudoscience. In this case she may have actually cheated, but it would be very easy for a false postive ruin some ones life. Hell, I would not put it past fox to fake the allready questionable results just for ratings.

There is a reason we don't allow polygraph tests in a court of law.

Author:  Aange10 [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:23 pm ]
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I have to agree with it being pseudoscience.


However, I only find it fair to point out:


Wikipedia wrote:

In United States v. Scheffer (1998),[50] the U.S. Supreme Court left it up to individual jurisdictions whether polygraph results could be admitted as evidence in court cases.

...

In the United States, the State of New Mexico admits polygraph testing in front of juries under certain circumstances. In many other states, polygraph examiners are permitted to testify in front of judges in various types of hearings (Motion to Revoke Probation, Motion to Adjudicate Guilt).


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygraph

In Canada they may not be valid in court, but I just felt the need to point that out.

Author:  Dan [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:35 pm ]
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Aange10 @ 16th January 2012, 11:23 pm wrote:

In Canada they may not be valid in court, but I just felt the need to point that out.


From the same page:

"In the 1987 decision of R. v. B?land, the Supreme Court of Canada rejected the use of polygraph results as evidence in court."


If we went by US laws, they could just skip the trial and court system all together and lock you up indefinitely.

Author:  Aange10 [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:47 pm ]
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Quote:

From the same page:

"In the 1987 decision of R. v. B?land, the Supreme Court of Canada rejected the use of polygraph results as evidence in court."


I read that too, like I said just needed to point out that the view of it not being aloud in court was not universal.


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If we went by US laws, they could just skip the trial and court system all together and lock you up indefinitely.


Why so? The main point was that you could call on the polygraph examiners to testify their results and "educated opinions on the results"

Author:  RandomLetters [ Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:50 pm ]
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I think Dan was referring to the national security laws which allow them to lock up people suspected of terrorism indefinetly, without trial.

But, I think the polygraph worked fine. It certainly detected "Do you think you are a good person" Razz

Author:  Dan [ Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:38 am ]
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RandomLetters @ 16th January 2012, 11:50 pm wrote:
I think Dan was referring to the national security laws which allow them to lock up people suspected of terrorism indefinetly, without trial.


Indeed, my point was that US law is not extactly a good model for what should be allowed in a justice system.


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But, I think the polygraph worked fine. It certainly detected "Do you think you are a good person" Razz


It's 50/50, it will at least be right half the time in the wrost case Razz

The show asks 21 questions if i rember correctly, even if we assume the polygraph is correct 95% of the time you are going to get about 1 false postive for every contestant on the show.

Edit: It should also be noted that this game show is a bit of a scam as you have at least a 66% chance of losing due to an error in the polygraph test (assuming that the polygraph is correct 95% of the time for each question) if you awnser all the questions honestly. If the polygraph is closer to 80% accuracy which may be more realistic, your odds of losing due to error jump to 99%.

Author:  mirhagk [ Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:53 am ]
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Well we can even say the polygraph is higher, because as you get closer to winning, chances are that you are going to get more nervous, more anxious, and scared. Those are the things that trigger the polygraph to say your lying.

Author:  Insectoid [ Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:26 am ]
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The participants weren't tested during the show. They took a polygraph prior to the show, and just repeat their answers for the crowd.

Author:  mirhagk [ Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:29 am ]
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ahh, okay. But still, the nervousness of the game would have some affect on it.

oh and at your signature: It's a trit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinary

Author:  ecookman [ Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:24 am ]
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Dan @ Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:09 pm wrote:
I find it tragic, in that the polygraph test is bascily pseudoscience. In this case she may have actually cheated, but it would be very easy for a false postive ruin some ones life. Hell, I would not put it past fox to fake the allready questionable results just for ratings.

There is a reason we don't allow polygraph tests in a court of law.


They should have used an MRI if they were serious.

Author:  Insectoid [ Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:42 am ]
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Exactly what does an MRI have to do with lie detection?

Author:  RandomLetters [ Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:38 pm ]
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What was in your signature?

Author:  Alex C. [ Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:17 pm ]
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O_O ... poor guy...somethings are better left UNSAID

Author:  mirhagk [ Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:33 pm ]
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@RandomLetters his signature was asking what the trinary equivalent of a bit was.

Author:  ecookman [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:47 am ]
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I watched a documentary on this a while back, apparently researchers discovered when someone is telling the truth, the brain answers passively, therefore not really requiring you to think. That being said, when you are lying, you are required to think about what is being said. The MRI can pickup this increase in brain activity apparently. From the tests that they did the MRI was a lot more accurate than "traditional" [polygraph] methods and may be used as actual court evidence in the future.

Author:  RandomLetters [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:18 pm ]
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What if the person accused of cheating (or murder) had done the act many years ago, and must actively try to remember if he or she actually did it? Furthermore, even if a person was telling "the truth", it would only be true in his or her mind. If that person was insane, had forgotten, or trained himself to believe otherwise, he could easily tell a truth, which would only be absolutely true in his subjective reality.

Author:  Aange10 [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:13 pm ]
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RandomLetters @ 24/1/2012, 12:18 pm wrote:
What if the person accused of cheating (or murder) had done the act many years ago, and must actively try to remember if he or she actually did it? Furthermore, even if a person was telling "the truth", it would only be true in his or her mind. If that person was insane, had forgotten, or trained himself to believe otherwise, he could easily tell a truth, which would only be absolutely true in his subjective reality.



I completely second this, given the fact that I have had family pass a polymorphism test while lying. Furthermore, I highly doubt that this other test would detect the lie either; he trained himself to say that what happened happened, and that was that. He passed, even though it was a lie.

Author:  Raknarg [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:04 pm ]
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Perhaps training the use of microexpressions?

Author:  Velocity [ Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:38 pm ]
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cheating on your partner is only bad when he/she knows ur doing it

Author:  mirhagk [ Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:18 am ]
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Raknarg @ Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:04 pm wrote:
Perhaps training the use of microexpressions?

Lie to me is even less accurate than a polygraph machine lol.

Author:  S_Grimm [ Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:37 am ]
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Velocity @ Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:38 pm wrote:
Cheating on your partner is only bad when he/she knows you're doing it.


2 Things. One. It's "you're" not "ur". I corrected it in my quote for you.
Two. That is horrible thinking. By that logic, it's acceptable to justify anything as long as no one knows. Is murder right as long as no one knows your doing it? The pain you will cause your significant other makes it wrong ALL the time, regardless.

EDIT: Wow, I didn't even realize how old this thread was when i posted. My bad. Sorry for the Necro.

Author:  Raknarg [ Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:35 pm ]
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Seeing as it's already been necroed...

@mirhagk i was worth a shot lol
@Velocity I disagree. Why is cheating wrong? Because it is morally incorrect. Therefore, a morally incorrect action is not fine simply because you're the only one who knows, because the moral implications are still there.

Author:  Aange10 [ Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:46 pm ]
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I'd like to take a stand on this topic too, then.

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@Velocity I disagree. Why is cheating wrong? Because it is morally incorrect. Therefore, a morally incorrect action is not fine simply because you're the only one who knows, because the moral implications are still there.


I understand your view, but that's a bit of a False consensus fallacy.

A person's morals may not be the same as yours. I may have two kids and am holding an unstable, low waged job, barley making ends meet. My wife is constantly strung out, and my children have no second parent in their life. I'm exploring my relationships with other people, in hopes that my children and I both could lead a much more productive and satisfactory lifestyle.

Are my actions still wrong? Am I really all that bad?

Author:  RandomLetters [ Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:12 pm ]
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S_Grimm @ Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:37 am wrote:
Velocity @ Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:38 pm wrote:
Cheating on your partner is only bad when he/she knows you're doing it.


2 Things. One. It's "you're" not "ur". I corrected it in my quote for you.
Two. That is horrible thinking. By that logic, it's acceptable to justify anything as long as no one knows. Is murder right as long as no one knows your doing it? The pain you will cause your significant other makes it wrong ALL the time, regardless.

EDIT: Wow, I didn't even realize how old this thread was when i posted. My bad. Sorry for the Necro.


That is a false analogy. When you murder someone, the victim knows that you have murdered them. Cheating on the other hand, could be considered a victimless crime, but in reality, there are various side effects.

Author:  mirhagk [ Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:06 am ]
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Velocity's point stands perfectly fine. It may still be morally wrong to do it, but it is not "bad" in the sense that it causes no harm to anyone (well assuming the person your cheating with doesn't get hurt) unless someone finds out.

Murder hurts someone, whether or not anyone finds out.

It really depends on how you define "bad". Is it the hurting of others, or is it failing to follow moral laws?


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