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Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it?
Author:  ecookman [ Sat Mar 05, 2011 2:59 pm ]
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Ive been using it for a few hours and I'm quite fond of it, I'm liking the GUI and it appears to be a bit faster.
Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Sat Mar 05, 2011 3:17 pm ]
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I like it too....but did you notice how most of the tests on IE Test Drive don't work on it? Perhaps that site is rigged...
Author:  Zren [ Sat Mar 05, 2011 4:50 pm ]
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I despise the wasted space where the title bar is. Ever since I stated using chrome, and before that even, making the top section as small as possible has been a key choice what I did to the GUI. Seriously, what's so hard about moving the tabs to be beside the orange button. I know you need to have the option to move the tabs below, but when it's on top...

There's a hack for it [http://davidnaylor.org/blog/2010/08/move-tabs-to-titlebar-in-firefox-4/] but it really should be default.

The new menus are very stylish by the way. The firefox button menu is actutally very Windowsy. o.O I'm still trying to decide if that's a good thing, as the design isn't very seemless.

Design wise, I actually liked IE9 better. o.O

Still, I'd need to force myself to stop using Chrome to fully test out the new fox.
Author:  DemonWasp [ Sat Mar 05, 2011 4:57 pm ]
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Zren: I have my tabs next to the Firefox button by default (Windows 7 x64 / Ubuntu 10.10). Not sure what you're talking about.
Author:  Zren [ Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:20 pm ]
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DemonWasp @ Sat Mar 05, 2011 4:57 pm wrote:
Zren: I have my tabs next to the Firefox button by default (Windows 7 x64 / Ubuntu 10.10). Not sure what you're talking about.

Nevermind, turns out Beta 8 wasn't the latest (I installed it a bit ago). I didn't re-download because on the download site it shows the non-maximized mode where the menu button is on top so I didn't bother. Well that's one ranting gone to the wind.
Author:  Insectoid [ Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:28 pm ]
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Chrome. 'nuff said.
Author:  Dan [ Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:41 pm ]
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I am a big Firefox fan but I hate the new UI in FF4. By default it trys to be to minimalist and chrome like. I like things like the file menu, having tabs under the address bar and having a status bar.

However what i do like is how cusmtizable the UI is. I was able to fix all theses issues with out any kind of patch, plugin or extension and have it layed out just the way i like.

Other than the UI i have not noticed many changes. I wish they would put more time into performance issues then copying chrome.
Author:  DemonWasp [ Sat Mar 05, 2011 9:26 pm ]
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Try smooth-scrolling in the new Firefox. Much better than Chrome ever has been. Plus, it's AdBlock actually works.
Author:  SNIPERDUDE [ Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:51 pm ]
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I've been using Chrome for a while now, Firefox collecting dust on the desktop.

Anyone want to quickly outline the changes since I last used Firefox (3.something, 3.5 I think)?
Author:  DemonWasp [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:58 am ]
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The big ones for me were:
- Smoother scrolling (if you middle-click and then move the cursor, the page will scroll...smoothly in Firefox, but quite choppily in other browsers.
- Faster startup and rendering. They're not game-changing boosts, but they're quite nice.
- Tabs in taskbar = more vertical space; I like this, but as others have mentioned it's completely configurable.
- Application tabs (right-click gmail, pin as app tab).
- All sorts of fun new web standards.
- Overall, much more responsive UI and feel.

The things that drove me from Chrome to Firefox include:
- AdBlock that works.
- Smoother animations in general.
- More predictable error behaviour (at least, in my opinion).
- Found a really annoying bug in Chrome that affects copy-pasting code from its PDF view.
Author:  Amailer [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:19 pm ]
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I find that the font rendering in Firefox 4 is a bit blurry.

I don't love it or hate it, meh for me. Sticking with chrome for now.
Author:  DtY [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:31 pm ]
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Just upgraded, and my first thought was Greasemonkey and searchbar autosizer are not compatible. But, that's to be expected. The incompatibility that bothers me is that the Canadian English dictionary is incompatible. How did they manage to make the dictionary incompatible? My US English and French dictionaries are still good. If the only problem is metadata on it, why has it not been updated?
Author:  SNIPERDUDE [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:01 pm ]
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Sounds alright - not really anything to make me switch back, but I'll end up using Firefox a little more than I do. This time start fresh, and sync it with my Chrome (Xmarks and Lastpass).
Author:  BigBear [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:17 pm ]
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I do not like how highlighting in Chrome and Safari an others? is boxy

I do not like tab on the top because I click to change window and I change tabs. tabs are also closer to the webpage don't want to pass everything like location bar etc to get to tabs

I also have menu toolbar hidden. I like how chrome has grease monkey built in.

I do not like how firefox hasn't changed things like adding recently closed tabs to history side bar and allow you to browse bookmarks from bookmark toolbar

Also the font is too small? and one crtl + is too big

I will get used to it I guess
Author:  DtY [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:28 pm ]
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BigBear @ Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:17 pm wrote:
Also the font is too small? and one crtl + is too big
You can always change the font size in Preferences>Content
Author:  RandomLetters [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:06 pm ]
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I like the tabs on top in chrome. It associates with the address bar better and is more like basically having separate windows in one app.
Author:  Insectoid [ Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:24 pm ]
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They already are separate processes. It's as close to a completely different window as you can get without being in a completely different window.
Author:  BigBear [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:34 am ]
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Also people are suggesting every ff tab to be a separate process that they can kill as to not have to kill all their tabs.

I think it is silly to run chrome.exe every time you have a new tab
Author:  Insectoid [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:12 am ]
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I dunno how it works on Winders, but on osx, running Chrome launches a 'backbone process', of which each tab is a child (or so it appears). It'd be like having a chrome.exe, and a separate application that Chrome launches for each tab.
Author:  RandomLetters [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:18 pm ]
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For windows I think there is 1 main chrome.exe, and then each tab is an extra process, since I always have more processes than tabs. Either that, or something is terribly, terribly wrong.
Author:  DtY [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:18 pm ]
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It's like running a threaded server. You might be running five Apache processes, but it's not the same as running five instances of Apache.
Author:  DemonWasp [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:06 pm ]
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...except that in general, threaded servers use actual threads, instead of processes. Generally, threads are lighter, and there can be many threads "inside" any given process.

I think there was some reason they chose to go with processes over threads; I think it was something about some kinds of I/O blocking an entire process instead of just the calling thread, though I can't remember where I heard that.
Author:  2goto1 [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:22 pm ]
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There are a lot of Chrome architectural resources that explain their motivations for taking a process based approach, http://www.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/multi-process-architecture

Google also had a very high-level cartoon that they published at the time Chrome was first released, but I can't seem to find it right now
Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:32 pm ]
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2goto1 @ Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:22 pm wrote:
Google also had a very high-level cartoon that they published at the time Chrome was first released, but I can't seem to find it right now

Was it this one?
Author:  2goto1 [ Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:47 pm ]
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Yep
Author:  BigBear [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:49 pm ]
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http://canweshipyet.com/

almost released
Author:  SS1389 [ Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:51 am ]
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Viewing your Hotmail email on Firefox 4 is a nightmare.
Author:  SNIPERDUDE [ Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:04 pm ]
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I switched from Hotmail a few months back - I found Hotmail in general was a nightmare.
Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:00 pm ]
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SS1389 @ Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:51 am wrote:
Viewing your Hotmail email on Firefox 4 is a nightmare.

It works fine for me....
Author:  Insectoid [ Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:05 pm ]
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FF4 still doesn't complete the Acid 3 test. Gets stuck on 97/100. Chrome gets 100/100 on it.

I just downloaded it, and it looks to be copying Chrome's UI, however it's doing a poor job of it. Chrome is designed to take very little space. Firefox...isn't.

On OSX, Chrome inlines the title bar with the tabs- as in, the tabs are at the same height as the close/minimize/maximize buttons. Firefox does not do this.

Similarly, the home/back/refresh buttons on FF4 are quite glaringly large, as opposed to Chrome's small but accessible buttons on the same level as the address bar.

I haven't used it enough to gauge performance, and I'm not likely to. Chrome is just instantly better.

I can't say I'm biased. I used Firefox for years, switched to Chrome, and after a few initial hiccups it does everything better than Firefox ever did.
Author:  BigBear [ Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:44 am ]
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Chrome doesn't even display the acid 3 test properly.

Firefox does have tab at the top title bar if you have tabs on top set and if the browser is maximized

you can remove any buttons in Firefox who uses home anyways and the buttons are on the address bar and you can put them wherever you want

Why I don't use chrome is the lack of menu bar when you press alt and have access to everything instead of going through that menu

the lack of bring you right to the page from the address bar

the weird scrolling and page highlighting
Author:  SS1389 [ Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:03 pm ]
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@SNIPERDUDE What did you switch to?


@ProgrammingFun They must have fixed it then. There used to be this refreshing issue.
Author:  Insectoid [ Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:12 pm ]
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@Bigbear, I get a perfect score on Acid3. It doesn't render *totally* smoothly, but it scores 100, completes the test and is pixel-for-pixel exactly the same as the reference rendering.

I dunno how it is on Windows, but on Mac there isn't any weird scrolling or highlighting, and the menu bar (application bar on OSX) follows the OSX standard.
Author:  SNIPERDUDE [ Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:21 pm ]
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@SS1389 Gmail. I love how I never have to even go to the web page to access my inbox, or even send mail with so many extensions and apps that can for you. I'm using Mail Checker Plus for Google Mail (Chrome Extension) and love it. Even if you do prefer to use the website itself it is very customizable with CSS editors and script addons (Greasemonkey).

And what took me off-guard that is rather smart is Gmail will notify you If you forget to attach something after in the email writing "Attached is..." (I'm guessing there is similar text it scans resulting in the same function or similar).

No more useless emails from Windows Live team, Automatic MSN login when checking email, No outside access to my inbox, and other uselessness that is standard for Hotmail.
Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:06 pm ]
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SNIPERDUDE @ Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:21 pm wrote:
No more useless emails from Windows Live team, Automatic MSN login when checking email, No outside access to my inbox, and other uselessness that is standard for Hotmail.

Perhaps more of this though.

I admit Gmail actually is better...but I have grown too used to hotmail....
Author:  SNIPERDUDE [ Sat Mar 19, 2011 7:35 pm ]
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I have been using hotmail for 10 years, but finally got sick of it. I have grown used to the interface and features over the years, and thought I'd never switch, but it was when they introduced automatic MSN sign-in I started to grow angry at it. There are a myriad of reasons, but in the end Gmail does prove to be better.

Anyhow this has grown off-topic a little, apologies.
Author:  andrew. [ Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:40 pm ]
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@insectoid: It works fairly smoothly on Windows, gets 100, and is pixel-for-pixel with the reference. Maybe BigBear's using an older version of Chrome.
Author:  ecookman [ Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:48 pm ]
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Just tried IE on acid 3. The result was shockingly good.
http://img846.imageshack.us/i/ieacidtestfail.png/
Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:55 pm ]
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ecookman @ Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:48 pm wrote:
Just tried IE on acid 3. The result was shockingly good.
http://img846.imageshack.us/i/ieacidtestfail.png/

When I tried it on the beta, it was 100/100...they even boasted that on their test drive site....
Author:  Sur_real [ Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:03 pm ]
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ok I just installed IE9 TODAY to check it out
Fresh copy; nothing done to it...

here's the result:
http://i.imgur.com/yIj7C.png
Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:43 pm ]
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Firefox 4 is (unofficially) available for download from Mozilla's FTP servers (final build):


Author:  Zren [ Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:47 pm ]
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ProgrammingFun @ Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:43 pm wrote:
Firefox 4 is (unofficially) available for download from Mozilla's FTP servers (final build):

And miss out on the possibly chance of another Guinness record? They're doing another one right? They still hold the record for the last launch though so who knows.
Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:18 pm ]
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Zren @ Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:47 pm wrote:
And miss out on the possibly chance of another Guinness record? They're doing another one right? They still hold the record for the last launch though so who knows.

That is what was bugging me....I wanted to use the browser, but I also want to take part in the Guinness record...
Therefore, I installed it on one computer....and will download tomorrow for the others Rolling Eyes Laughing

Maybe this download will still trigger their counting? Wink BooHoo

EDIT: Results! I am disappointed in Acid 3...perhaps it is a computer problem (this computer is SLOW and OLD)?
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Author:  ecookman [ Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:36 pm ]
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meh 1% less than 3.6 gudneuf for me. I personally will spam the download page for probably 1000 hits for the world record :p
Author:  Zren [ Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:32 pm ]
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For the love of stats whores everywhere (and simple children who like flashy things)...

http://glow.mozilla.org/

Oh, and the backend of this flashy toy is pretty deep: http://blog.mozilla.com/data/2011/03/22/how-glow-mozilla-org-gets-its-data/.
Author:  DtY [ Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:40 pm ]
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Zren @ Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:32 pm wrote:
For the love of stats whores everywhere (and simple children who like flashy things)...

http://glow.mozilla.org/

Oh, and the backend of this flashy toy is pretty deep: http://blog.mozilla.com/data/2011/03/22/how-glow-mozilla-org-gets-its-data/.
No flash! I think I'm in love <3
Author:  FilliP [ Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:29 am ]
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I like it really. There are less errors appear while using.
Author:  Fasih [ Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:36 pm ]
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I like it. The interface looks much better.
Author:  BigBear [ Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:57 pm ]
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The interface looks like Chrome
Author:  Insectoid [ Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:57 pm ]
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It looks like Chrome would look, if Chrome sucked. It copied the basic shape of Chrome, but none of the details that make chrome's UI great.
Author:  andrew. [ Tue Apr 19, 2011 7:09 pm ]
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Insectoid @ Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:57 pm wrote:
It looks like Chrome would look, if Chrome sucked. It copied the basic shape of Chrome, but none of the details that make chrome's UI great.
Hit the nail on the head right there.
Author:  BigBear [ Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:57 pm ]
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Chrome has no menu bar at all at least you can still press alt and find all the feature where you are used to them being
Author:  Brightguy [ Mon May 02, 2011 2:42 am ]
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OK, I've been waiting for Ubuntu to update to Firefox 4, and it just happened.

Is there some principle in human–computer interaction that says the program interface should change with every version? Or is the field of HCI advancing so rapidly that the recommended interfaces change every year? Or does Firefox just ignore HCI principles?

Honestly, none of those sound believable. I'm just mystified by the whole thing. Eh

DtY @ Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:40 pm wrote:
No flash! I think I'm in love <3

Agreed. Flash: the bane of the web.
Author:  XZNZ [ Mon May 16, 2011 7:57 pm ]
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chrome's better no arguments lolz
Author:  ecookman [ Mon May 16, 2011 8:26 pm ]
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chrome doesn't have DownloadHelper tho :p
Author:  mirhagk [ Mon May 16, 2011 8:27 pm ]
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Well I gots to say guys, you can't have one browser. It's just not possible. I actually have IE9 FF4 and chrome installed (but never used really).

I use FF4 and IE9 almost interchangably. When one crashes, I open the other, etc.

Also I find that IE9 renders games and such at a much better rate, dunno if it FF4 uses the graphics card, or what it is that makes it slightly slower, but it's only an issue with games, so that's why I have both lol.
Author:  Ecole [ Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:11 am ]
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Well, Firefox 4.0 is seems to be good but still it doesn?t supports all plug-ins in Firefox 3.6.
Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:42 pm ]
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Ecole @ Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:11 am wrote:
Well, Firefox 4.0 is seems to be good but still it doesn?t supports all plug-ins in Firefox 3.6.

And now they release Firefox 5, which should be called 4.1 but Mozilla is trying to make it look as if they are actually working more efficiently.
The only way it can be considered a version 5 is due to the fact that some add-ons that just started working with FF4 are now unsupported.

I just gave up on Firefox a little while ago and moved to Chrome (though I still do like it but I guess Angry Birds was a good temptation).
Author:  Insectoid [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:01 pm ]
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That's actually pretty ridiculous. We can, however, expect more frequent releases such as this from Mozilla due to a versioning convention change.

In my opinion, a new release should not be considered a new version unless there are major UI changes or significant innovations. If it's just an improvement on the existing version, it should be labelled an update. FF2->FF3 and FF3->FF4 were pretty major changes. FF4->FF5 is...not much change on the user end.

FF4->FF5 is more akin to OS X 10.5->10.6. Minimal UI updates. It feels like the same operating system. It's pretty much a winXP service pack.

If you've managed to grasp what my ramblings attempt to convey, you'll understand I agree with ProgrammingFun. This should have been 4.1.

However, this may be a marketing strategy. People will see Chrome at V11, Safari at V5, Opera at V11 and IE at V9. The less informed might think that FF is behind the times, or hasn't been in development as long, because it is only at V4. This is the also one of the reasons the Xbox is labelled 360. Microsoft didn't want to call it the Xbox 2, because then people would see it on the shelves next to the PS3, and buy the 'newer' console.
Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:01 pm ]
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Insectoid @ Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:01 pm wrote:
However, this may be a marketing strategy. People will see Chrome at V11, Safari at V5, Opera at V11 and IE at V9. The less informed might think that FF is behind the times, or hasn't been in development as long, because it is only at V4. This is the also one of the reasons the Xbox is labelled 360. Microsoft didn't want to call it the Xbox 2, because then people would see it on the shelves next to the PS3, and buy the 'newer' console.

...a result of Mozilla desperately trying to regain market share (though I guess Google follows the same technique but at least they don't build up hype due to automatic upgrades).
Firefox is becoming stagnant like IE and Chrome, primarily due to its speed and "store", will end up overtaking it.

As a further proof of random changes (to build onto Insectoid's point), their change log mentions nothing about any real change that a regular user would notice:
Mozilla wrote:

    Added support for CSS animations
    The Do-Not-Track header preference has been moved to increase discoverability
    Tuned HTTP idle connection logic for increased performance
    Improved canvas, JavaScript, memory, and networking performance
    Improved standards support for HTML5, XHR, MathML, SMIL, and canvas
    Improved spell checking for some locales
    Improved desktop environment integration for Linux users
    WebGL content can no longer load cross-domain textures
    Background tabs have setTimeout and setInterval clamped to 1000ms to improve performance
    Fixed several stability issues
    Fixed several security issues


Well, back to exam prep them Very Happy
Author:  Brightguy [ Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:40 am ]
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Insectoid @ Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:01 pm wrote:
However, this may be a marketing strategy. People will see Chrome at V11, Safari at V5, Opera at V11 and IE at V9. The less informed might think that FF is behind the times, or hasn't been in development as long, because it is only at V4.

I consider myself relatively cynical, but I refuse to believe Mozilla would pull off an underhanded stunt like that.

Though I was quite shocked when Firefox updated to 5. It seems like it was just last month when it updated to Firefox 4, when the update to Firefox 3 was a full 3 years ago! Even stranger was that the 3.6->4.0 update seemed larger than the 4.0->5.0 update. Actually, the only change I noticed in the update to Firefox 5 was that several of my extensions stopped working, and they were one of the reasons I was sticking with Firefox in the first place. It almost seems as if Firefox is copying Chrome, which makes me figure I might as well just switch to Chrome.

Though it'll feel weird to switch since I've been using Firefox since before version 1, but lately it feels like someone needs to fork off a simplified Firefox version because of all the bloat and feature creep. Chrome does seem to have better priorities in that regard.
Author:  SNIPERDUDE [ Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:32 am ]
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The very reason why I switched to Chrome (I still have Firefox as an emergency back-up though), the amount of bloating over the years has caused too much frustration. Since they are (at least it seems so over the past year) just mimicking chrome I thought I'd try it out. Love it, especially because Chrome now has just as an extensive library of extensions too.
Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:01 pm ]
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SNIPERDUDE @ Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:32 am wrote:
The very reason why I switched to Chrome (I still have Firefox as an emergency back-up though), the amount of bloating over the years has caused too much frustration. Since they are (at least it seems so over the past year) just mimicking chrome I thought I'd try it out. Love it, especially because Chrome now has just as an extensive library of extensions too.
+1 with everything here.
Author:  Gracemiller [ Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:24 am ]
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The main reason I hate Firefox 4 is most of the add-ons do not support in Firefox 4. Hope to use Firefox 5 which is currently been released
Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:03 am ]
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If they don't support FF4, why would they support FF5?
Author:  DemonWasp [ Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:33 am ]
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Generally, the reason a given plugin doesn't work with Firefox n+1 is because n+1 > n. Seriously. They make plugin developers specify the version range each build works with, and if developers haven't tested their plugin against version n+1, then the top end of their range will be n, so it won't install.

It might very well work if you manually fiddled with it to force it to install.

The plugins will start working when plugin developers get around to testing new builds with higher accepted version numbers.
Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:24 am ]
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^They're being an apple Laughing

EDIT: Does it have to match exact version number or can you just leave it at 10 and assume that it will be compatible?
Author:  DemonWasp [ Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:52 am ]
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You can't set it to anything you haven't tested it with, so there's no real way to set it to 10. You can set it to accept builds that are currently in beta or in nightly, which is what some of the professionally-maintained ones do (AdBlock Plus, for example). But you can't just say "works with Firefox 1 to infinity", you have to actually test it with that build (or claim to, I guess).
Author:  z_cross_fire [ Tue Jul 12, 2011 5:45 pm ]
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I upgraded to Firefox 5 yesterday and I hate it. It starts very slowly, and even crashes sometimes. FF3 was better than FF4, which was a lot better than FF5. It's just getting worse.
Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:52 pm ]
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I need to use firefox because phpbb and bbpress don't log into Admin on chrome. Idk if that's just me or everyone...
Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:37 pm ]
Post subject:  RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it?
Firefox says bye-bye to version numbers: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/firefox_lose_version_numbers
Author:  Insectoid [ Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:59 pm ]
Post subject:  RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it?
That's a good move I think. It's no longer "Firefox 5", it's just Firefox. I think the version number should be in the about page, but otherwise I applaud Mozilla for this decision.
Author:  mirhagk [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:41 pm ]
Post subject:  RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it?
I have FF6 and it has the version number (just installed it today)
Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it?
mirhagk @ Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:41 pm wrote:
I have FF6 and it has the version number (just installed it today)

FF6 is supposed to have numbers...this move is after that.
Author:  mirhagk [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:12 pm ]
Post subject:  RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it?
Okay lol I was confused. So does that mean every update is now just going to say "A new update" and not tell me whether it's something minor like a bug fix, or something major like UI changes?
Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it?
mirhagk @ Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:12 pm wrote:
Okay lol I was confused. So does that mean every update is now just going to say "A new update" and not tell me whether it's something minor like a bug fix, or something major like UI changes?
Pretty much, yes.
Author:  mirhagk [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:40 am ]
Post subject:  RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it?
That's going to annoy the heck out of me.
Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it?
mirhagk @ Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:40 am wrote:
That's going to annoy the heck out of me.

Why? If you still want version numbers, they will be on the about:support page.
Author:  mirhagk [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:08 pm ]
Post subject:  RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it?
But the point is I want to know before I close all my tabs, stop what I'm doing, and wait for it to download/install, is whether they just changed the spelling of a word, or whether they actually did something useful.
Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:30 pm ]
Post subject:  RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it?
Nah, they can only tell you the level of awesomeness Razz :
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Author:  mirhagk [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:36 pm ]
Post subject:  RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it?
Can we have mutiple versions? I'd like to have the beta and something more risky like the nightly.
Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it?
mirhagk @ Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:36 pm wrote:
Can we have mutiple versions? I'd like to have the beta and something more risky like the nightly.

Yes, I remember trying that once...
Author:  mirhagk [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:07 pm ]
Post subject:  RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it?
Alright sweet. And worse case scenario I'll just use internet explorer or chrome instead.

EDIT: Also when is the no release numbers taking effect, I just downloaded nightly and it's called FF8
Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it?
mirhagk @ Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:07 pm wrote:
Alright sweet. And worse case scenario I'll just use internet explorer or chrome instead.

EDIT: Also when is the no release numbers taking effect, I just downloaded nightly and it's called FF8

I believe that the next release to consumers (FF7) will not have numbers.
Author:  mirhagk [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:08 pm ]
Post subject:  RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it?
okay, so it's only on consumer end? Nightly, aurora, and beta will still have numbers, lol sorry this is just all confusing to me.
Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it?
mirhagk @ Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:08 pm wrote:
okay, so it's only on consumer end? Nightly, aurora, and beta will still have numbers, lol sorry this is just all confusing to me.

I actually have no idea...but yes all versions will still have numbers, they will just be hidden better. Perhaps these early builds will keep numbers out in the open to make dev life a little easier...
Author:  goroyoshi [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it?
RAAAGH, RAGE it keeps crashing on me every 10 seconds, ill stick to google chrome thank you very much
Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it?
goroyoshi @ Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:34 pm wrote:
RAAAGH, RAGE it keeps crashing on me every 10 seconds, ill stick to google chrome thank you very much

Maybe you should send a bug report to Mozilla to help fix the problem Wink ...
Author:  mirhagk [ Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:48 pm ]
Post subject:  RE:Firefox 4, Hate it or Love it?
I would like to just say I love using Nightly, because it kicks ass in the speed department. But the no add-ons thing is kinda a bummer, and I need to use IE9 for alot of sites to make them work, and especially for my job (testing of some of opentext's software), since they don't exactly support development builds of web browsers lol.

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