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Which of the Next-Gen. Consoles do YOU prefer?

Author:	solblade05 [ Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:17 pm ]
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I personally prefer Nintendo... Oh and by the way NO CONSOLE WARS.

Author:	Tony [ Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:36 pm ]
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I've added an actual poll question. And Nintendo Revolution because of their inovative new design. Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 are basically just hardware upgrades that render more polygons faster.

Author:	Dan [ Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:08 pm ]
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I like Nintendo Revolution for many reasons incuding the comapy. But that control has to be fixed, i am not playing video games with a t.v. remote.

Author:	Tony [ Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:03 pm ]
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Hacker Dan wrote: But that control has to be fixed If it wasn't for the original controller, then it would just be another console, same as all else, just underpowered in comparison.. VG to the rescue with highlights!

Author:	Martin [ Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:18 pm ]
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Most definitely the Revolution. Actually, I'm thinking of picking up a PSP sometime in the near future.

Author:	person [ Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:25 pm ]
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i would probably go with the xbox360, i dont think most of the ppl on this site (including me) are in the nintendo target age group

Author:	Dan [ Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:06 pm ]
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person wrote: i would probably go with the xbox360, i dont think most of the ppl on this site (including me) are in the nintendo target age group Well maybe not phsicaly, lol Ninitendo has done alot of stuiped over the last few years in my option but i still think they make the best qaulity hardware as well as the best priced. Also althought some of the main nintidoe software has been amined younger there has been alot of good games out for the Game Cube and the new link is not cell shaded (thank god). P.S. great comic tony, i was laughting for like 2 mins.

Author:	Martin [ Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:36 pm ]
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I think the Super Nintendo had the best games line up by the end of any console. Almost all of my favourite games were SNES games - Lufia 2, Super Mario World, Legend of Zelda and Final Fantasy III most notably. Now, I never owned a Nintendo 64, but playing through co-op with friends on Perfect Dark was incredible. Best first person shooter ever. Zelda was awesome too, but the system was completely lacking any real RPG's. Now we come to the Gamecube, which kind of slipped up a bit. No RPG's, but still lots of great games. Resident Evil 4 and Smash Bros. come to mind. Of the last generation of consoles, I the PS2 was my favourite with the XBox a close second. The PS2 has Final Fantasy, MGS, Resident Evil, GTA and Devil May Cry. XBox has Ninja Gaiden and Halo. And XBox live. 'Nuff said.

Author:	person [ Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:41 pm ]
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PS3 and Xbox360 will have better graphics, and dont say that it's not that important because im sure none of u guys are gonna play any games with 8bit graphics

Author:	Dan [ Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:09 pm ]
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person wrote: PS3 and Xbox360 will have better graphics, and dont say that it's not that important because im sure none of u guys are gonna play any games with 8bit graphics I think you are missing a big point. The 360 is allready out and the PS3 will be out b4 the nintendo one. Almost allways the comapny to realses last gets the best graphics simpley b/c they wait and up the other guys one. Tho this may not be true for nintendo since there diesion making is randomish. If peoleop only cared about graphicks they whould all be playing on P.C.s To Martin: The game cube has some of the best RPGs i have ever played. The best in my option being tales of sphophiea (tho i only played the jappnes verson). But the point is there are RPGs for the game cube (some ninteondo ones too). Also the N64 had many RPGs too some aucatly made by nintendo. But if u like the N64 and supper nintendo the revolution will be able to go online, download and play N64 and down titles. As well as being comabiant with gamecube games (i blive). Curetly they did not say how much this downloading will cost tho (perosanly i hope it is moth based not per game).

Author:	Martin [ Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:18 pm ]
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Concerning the Revolution: According to Nintendo, the Revolution will play Revolution disks (duh) and Gamecube disks. Additionally, you will be able to download games from every other prior Nintendo console and play them too. They say that Nintendo made games will be free, but it will be up to other publishers to decide if their games will be free (because Nintendo doesn't own distribution rights). This could lead to some interesting promotions - look under the cap for a free download of Perfect Dark on your Nintendo Revolution! RPG's for the N64 and Gamecube? Very few and far between. Quest 64 was perhaps the worst game I've ever played. In any case, nothing near the PS/PS2 collection.

Author:	Dan [ Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:25 pm ]
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ummm, do you realy whont me to list all the rpgs for the 2 systems (N64 and GCN) b/c that could take up some space, lol. Incomparson to other systems they do not have as many but there are hardly none or a very limited amount.

Author:	Martin [ Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:35 pm ]
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I'd be impressed with a list of 5 RPGs for the N64. Real RPGs (Final Fantasy-ish), not Zelda and such.

Author:	person [ Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:39 pm ]
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y wont u consider zelda as an rpg?

Author:	Martin [ Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:46 pm ]
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Because Zelda's more of an action/adventure game than an RPG. Technically, every game is an RPG (in that you play a role) but that's not what I was talking about. Zelda is more of a reflex based game, wheras the generally accepted definition of an RPG would be something more turn based and strategic. I'd say that Zelda has more in common with Halo than with Final Fantasy.

Author:	Mazer [ Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:27 pm ]
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I'd say more in common with MGS than Halo...

Author:	Dan [ Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:46 pm ]
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Martin wrote: I'd be impressed with a list of 5 RPGs for the N64. Real RPGs (Final Fantasy-ish), not Zelda and such. Agread about zelda but the n64 did have more then 5 rpgs. Looking at the nintendo database of games it says there are 11 Unfrontly 2 of thous are zeldas......so 9 withc is still > 5

Author:	MysticVegeta [ Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:28 pm ]
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For me, and just for me so no more flaming on me -_- Graphics: Nintendo < PS3 = XBox360 Nintendo eliminated Gameplay: PS3 = Xbox360 Bugs: XBox360 more than PS3 Winner: PS3, Again, speaking JUST for me.

Author:	Mazer [ Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:33 pm ]
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MysticVegeta wrote: Graphics: Nintendo < PS3 = XBox360 What the hell does that even mean? MysticVegeta wrote: Nintendo eliminated Wow, my jaw dropped so fast it almost shattered. You can't eliminate them before you even see what they'll do. How the hell are you declaring the PS3 the winner when they haven't even launched? Your logic just baffles me. Oh, but it was "just for yourself", right? Go get a livejournal.

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:42 pm ]
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MysticVegeta wrote: Again, speaking JUST for me. Hehe, that's pretty good. I can say Linux sucks, but just for me. Anyway, the fact is that PS3 has better hardware than the XBox256, so it will no doubt have the possibility of better graphics. I'll most likely prefer the PS3, not just for that reason, but it seems like Sony comes out with games that I enjoy far more than the competitors. Note: Linux does not suck, that was just an example. When/if you quote this message you will see this small font. blah blah blah... I need more sleep.

Author:	person [ Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:54 pm ]
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Gandalf wrote: XBox256 wait...u mean i missed Xbox 2 to Xbox 359?? @MysticVegeta: this topic was like 2 weeks old

Author:	Cervantes [ Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:18 pm ]
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person wrote: @MysticVegeta: this topic was like 2 weeks old Yeah, but reviving it was worth it to hear Coutsos' reply.

Author:	Martin [ Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:41 pm ]
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MysticVegeta wrote: Gameplay: PS3 = Xbox360 Bugs: XBox360 more than PS3 Dude, the PS3 doesn't exist yet, which I guess means that it has fewer bugs than the XBox 360 (v3 has fewer bugs than this version of compsci.ca in that regard). But I think the PS3 boomerang controllers will add an extra level of competitiveness to multiplayer games on the PS3. Why knock them out in game when you can do it in real life ... AND not have to get up to recover your controller afterwards?

Author:	rizzix [ Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:37 pm ]
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I think V3 > ALL. But I'll be thoroughly disappointed.

Author:	chrispminis [ Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:50 pm ]
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Ooooh! Tough choice. Pros and cons for all of them. Xbox 360 Pros Nice graphics, a lot of features, some very popular games. Cons Apparently has quite a few problems, although i only know one person who owns one, and although he doesn't complain he has quite a large problem involving no simulator mode (multiplayer) in perfect dark. Verdict: Will get it if i don't get PS3 or PS3 decides to suck. PS3 Pros Have always been a playstation man, and since it can backplay and my PS2 is currently out of commission, it has the best technical aspects. although ill miss the old playstation controllers Cons What cons? playstation rules! yeah so what if i lied earlier? Verdict: Probly my first choice, since I think most of my friends will have Xbox 360, so ill just mooch and go over and play. plus i'll be like the only one with ps3. And ill be able to complete all my old games since i didnt finish them since my ps2 died. Nintendo Revolutions Pros Nintendo is always fun, has good history (LOVE Super Smash Bros N64 version, makes me orgasm), is innovative, i think the remote control controller will be interesting. Nintendo always pulls ridiculous stunts like this, like in battle in mario kart DS you blow up your balloons by blowing into the mike. Cons Not as good hardware, not as many familiar games for me, better remake Super Smash Bros again, maybe this time without all the repeat characters. Verdict: While it looks fun, it seems novelty to me, and I can't really see myself with one.

Author:	Martin [ Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:58 pm ]
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chrispminis wrote: Nintendo Revolutions Pros Nintendo is always fun, has good history (LOVE Super Smash Bros N64 version, makes me orgasm), is innovative, i think the remote control controller will be interesting. Nintendo always pulls ridiculous stunts like this, like in battle in mario kart DS you blow up your balloons by blowing into the mike. Cons Not as good hardware, not as many familiar games for me, better remake Super Smash Bros again, maybe this time without all the repeat characters. Verdict: While it looks fun, it seems novelty to me, and I can't really see myself with one. Quick note about the Revolution - you will be able to play all previous Nintendo games in some form or another (from NES to Gamecube)

Author:	Dan [ Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:05 pm ]
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I realy don't get how peoleop can be juging the hardware on systems that do not exits yet. Like i have side before, thess comanpys have been know to make last miniute chages to the hardware. I mean right now the cpu the PS3 is claming to be using has a probelm where parts of it burns out easly and it reduces the cpu power each time part of it breaks intill it stops working. If we where juging systems on there curent hardware i think that whould be a BIG problem. But i whould hope that they whould fix that before an offial releases. If we are too juge thess consoles b4 they are even out i think we should take in to consideration the hisotry of the comapnys and there products more then rummers about the hardware. For example ninteiond is know for making hardware that lasts and is exteramly durable for a cheap price (compared to other companys) but at the same time they are hurible at online and secuity (hacking wise). To rizzix: The V in V3 is realy a constant value of 14. Think about it

Author:	chrispminis [ Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:16 pm ]
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Yeah I realize that Nintendo is capable of playing ealier games but sadly I don't OWN a single Nintendo console, i have gameboys. And @ Dan Well Hardware is a huge thing when it comes to video gaming. And what else can we judge it on? History wise Xbox and PS2 has outperformed the GameCube. I think PS3 will deliver. I love Nintendo, for its innovation and nostalgia value, but PS3 is the one for me. and nice one about the V being 14 thing.

Author:	Martin [ Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:29 pm ]
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chrispminis wrote: Yeah I realize that Nintendo is capable of playing ealier games but sadly I don't OWN a single Nintendo console, i have gameboys. The idea was that you'd be able to download all of the pre-GameCube games for free.

Author:	Dan [ Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:08 am ]
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chrispminis wrote: And @ Dan Well Hardware is a huge thing when it comes to video gaming. And what else can we judge it on? As i was saying u are juging hardware that dose not curently exists and are doing it in a exteramly baissed way. Also you are not considreing things like bottle necks, you could have the worlds fastes processor in it but if other parts of the system are not up to speck it could be slower then the orgianl game boy. Since 2 of the systems in question do not curetly exists in a fainl form i do not see how u could know every speck on it. Also i think the software is "slighty" more impornt then the hardware. To aucatly make one of thess new generation games that uses the full popteant of the system will cost in the high millions to billions. This is a huge investment for a game/software comapny. I see this as being a magor falw in the new systems and is adverasly going to effect the games we see. Ether they are going to be short and crapy, few and inbtween or not taking full adavantge of the system. Another big issue is that althougth admazing 3d graphics are nice gameplay is what makes a game good. And gameplay has nothing to do with graphics for the most part. There are still thousands if not millions of peoleop playing games like CS and starcraft out there even tho games with better graphics exist. chrispminis wrote: History wise Xbox and PS2 has outperformed the GameCube. I think PS3 will deliver. I love Nintendo, for its innovation and nostalgia value, but PS3 is the one for me. and nice one about the V being 14 thing. On what goruds do you see them as "outperfoming"? Nintendo hardly lost moeny on the gamecube and acuatly outsold both in jappen i blive. My guse is that you have an basies to the PS line and are leting it could your jugement. From a hardware desing stand point the GameCube was exteramly well desinged. The desgin of the PS2 was horiable, if u taped that thing it whould break (obvesly not just taped but it was esay to break). Another thing that i metioned b4 is the realse dates of the consoles has a big effect on hardware. I think the 360 messed up big realsing 1st. In the last generation of console xbox came out last and this gave them the advagte in grapshicks power and desgin. The PS2 was also rushed to get out and the 1st verson had many bugs and where that taped coment comes from. However ninteiondo almost never realses a product b4 it is ready and i have never had a GameCube, crash, freze up, break or do anything odd unless i was doing somthing that whould void the warinity. I can not however say the same for the other 2. Any how my point is wait for the hardware to exist b4 you juge it, lol.

Author:	Martin [ Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:47 am ]
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That's true about Nintendo - http://nintendoinsider.com/site/EEEFylpkElFffmiBlr.php

Author:	Dan [ Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:16 am ]
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Wow, i knew ninteion toke japan big but i did not think M$ got pwned so bad there. It realy is admazing how the pres's bisas can chage peoleops options from the truth.

Author:	Martin [ Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:32 pm ]
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Well, it is failing pretty badly in the US. I think a lot of it has to do with the cultures that their games appeal to. 30 year old women will buy hello kitty video games in Japan, not so much in the US. In any case, I'm still a huge Nintendo fan. Hello Kitty, not so much.

Author:	Tony [ Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:55 pm ]
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hey, don't make fun of Hello Kitty. Dan can tell you about some pretty <strike>kinky</strike> nifty Hello Kitty products

Author:	Martin [ Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:55 pm ]
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Back on topic ... I'm pretty excited about the Phantom console. It's going to be awesome. I think I'd explode if I could play Duke Nuken Forever on a Phantom.

Author:	person [ Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:29 pm ]
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Martin wrote: Phantom console http://www.ferrago.com/story/1984 quite interesting i must say, although i do doubt the story

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:37 pm ]
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Eh? That's from August 2003. There is no doubt a sort of Phantom console, but everyone I have spoken to doubts it's success and capabilities. It seems to just be a computer that you can hook up to the TV with some special features which I am not knowledgable in. Still, it would be interesting if they succeeded in making it semi-successful.

Author:	Martin [ Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:52 pm ]
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Apparently they are planning on releasing the lap keyboard thing, which would be pretty cool I think.

Author:	Martin [ Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:58 pm ]
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By the way Dan, what were those 9 N64 RPG's you mentioned before?

Author:	chrispminis [ Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:59 pm ]
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@Dan Oh to start, I probably am biased towards PS2. But I believe you are biased towards Nintendo as well. According to the article posted by Martin, which we are going to assume is accurate, while Nintendo sold more in terms of individual systems. We must realize that the Game Boy Advance should not count, because at the time of the graphs, no other handheld gaming devices had been released by Sony or MS. The Nintendo equivalent to Xbox and PS2 is the Nintendo GameCube. And if you'll check the numbers PS2 outsells the Nintendo GameCube every time including in Japan. And about hardware, I realize gameplay is a key element but Sony's games haven't really disappointed me that much, and in turns of games i have favourites with MS, Nintendo, and Sony. (I LOVE super smash bros. N64 version). And earlier when I said outperformed, I wasn't referring to the market performance (which it still outperformed as mentioned above) I was referring to technical specs. Which from my limited knowledge had superior specs. Also on durability I've found that Nintendo systems are just as easy to break. I have a friend who owns a Nintendo 64 that on light touch, resets. In fact I believe one time to test, another friend threw a light blanket onto it, and it reset. Also I once knew a friend who shortly experienced a problem with his GameCube where it would heat up and freeze. It resolved by itself later on, I dont really know how.

Author:	Dan [ Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:56 pm ]
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chrispminis wrote: @Dan Oh to start, I probably am biased towards PS2. But I believe you are biased towards Nintendo as well. According to the article posted by Martin, which we are going to assume is accurate, while Nintendo sold more in terms of individual systems. We must realize that the Game Boy Advance should not count, because at the time of the graphs, no other handheld gaming devices had been released by Sony or MS. The Nintendo equivalent to Xbox and PS2 is the Nintendo GameCube. And if you'll check the numbers PS2 outsells the Nintendo GameCube every time including in Japan. If that was trure one whonders how they could have a graph of the DS vs the PSP. chrispminis wrote: And about hardware, I realize gameplay is a key element but Sony's games haven't really disappointed me that much, and in turns of games i have favourites with MS, Nintendo, and Sony. (I LOVE super smash bros. N64 version). And earlier when I said outperformed, I wasn't referring to the market performance (which it still outperformed as mentioned above) I was referring to technical specs. Which from my limited knowledge had superior specs. Where are u geting thess specs and the above artical did not seem to agrea with u as much as you seem to say. chrispminis wrote: Also on durability I've found that Nintendo systems are just as easy to break. I have a friend who owns a Nintendo 64 that on light touch, resets. In fact I believe one time to test, another friend threw a light blanket onto it, and it reset. Also I once knew a friend who shortly experienced a problem with his GameCube where it would heat up and freeze. It resolved by itself later on, I dont really know how. There have been test on the GameCube vs PS2 vs Xbox. The one i like the most was done by xplay a techtv show (now G4). I do not have a link to the episiode they did it on but the relsotes where Gamecube, then Xbox and last PS2 witch failed the 1st test. I also base this on the aucatly construction of each console. The GameCube uses a metal frame and has it's part psostioned in such a way that the only real damge you can do is suprisafal or to the cd lid. You say i am baised, turthfull i do like nintendo more then the other comapnys but this is from acuatly looking in to all the systems and companys and not just b/c i only have the one console or am a crazed fan boy.

Author:	MyPistolsIn3D [ Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:12 pm ]
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I will buy the PS3 to play Final Fantasy games. And hopefully they will come out with a Timesplitters game. The Nintendo games have never really appealed to me and the remote controller looks risky, but id like to try it.

Author:	chrispminis [ Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:24 pm ]
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Hmmm i was under the impression TimeSplitters was a Nintendo game. Nvm, actually i realize it was probably on all the platforms. @Dan your first statement makes no sense to me. I was comparing PS2 to Nintendo GameCube (which sold more), since we are speaking of the 128 bit consoles, and their next generation, not the DS and the PSP. http://www.consoledatabase.com/consoleinfo/sonyplaystation2/index.html http://www.consoledatabase.com/consoleinfo/microsoftxbox/index.html http://www.consoledatabase.com/consoleinfo/nintendogamecube/index.html Here are the technical specs for all three 128 bit generation consoles. MS Xbox is the best technically by far. Its at a head between GameCube and PS2, GameCube has higher Hertz, but PS2 renders polygons waaay more efficiently, and the bandwidth is significantly higher.

Author:	Dan [ Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:30 pm ]
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As i was saying witch you cleary ingonred, of corse the XBox whould have the best stats, it came out last. And thess links are to the old consoles not the new ones so idk why u are posting them.....

Author:	Brightguy [ Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:59 pm ]
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That author was clearly biased towards Nintendo, and that ruins it. I'm beginning to dislike articles with statistics because they can be abused too easily. In this case, he piles together all the handheld sales with the console ones, but handhelds and consoles are completely different. People say that Nintendo is in third place in the console market (and often specific to the US as well). Everyone knows that Nintendo is winning in the handheld race since they barely had any competition (although the PSP could potentially change this). How come he has a DS/PSP-only chart but not a console-only chart? And Dan, it's clear at this point that the Revolution specs will not be as good as the PS3 or 360... Nintendo has stated this several times. It should be about twice as powerful as the Cube.

Author:	Dan [ Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:03 am ]
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I am just stating that i am admazed that peoleop can detmering the value of a console based on stats that may or may not be ture. Also you need benchmars to compre them stats wise any how. This is like saying that a ATI card is betting then a nvidia card b/c the ati one has a higger number in it. Or that an intell cpu is better then an amd one b/c it's hurtize are set higher. You can not compare hardware like this and this is prity much all i have been saying the hole time. If you whoun't to talk about the next generation of consles in a sain way then lets.

Author:	MihaiG [ Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:12 pm ]
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i think they should re-release the NES or SNES... and re-release all the old games.. like improve the graphics nad the system a bit.. but keep the orignal design, controler and other accesories i would seriously buy and so would lots of other people....most people either sold theirs or they broke and some might want to re-live their childhood? i think that would be really cool

Author:	Andy [ Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:32 pm ]
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Hacker Dan wrote: This is like saying that a ATI card is betting then a nvidia card b/c the ati one has a higger number in it. Or that an intell cpu is better then an amd one b/c it's hurtize are set higher. Of course ATI is better.. after all, we have the FATEST gpu =P

Author:	Martin [ Sun Feb 19, 2006 7:12 pm ]
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Hacker Dan wrote: I am just stating that i am admazed that peoleop can detmering the value of a console based on stats that may or may not be ture. Also you need benchmars to compre them stats wise any how. This is like saying that a ATI card is betting then a nvidia card b/c the ati one has a higger number in it. Or that an intell cpu is better then an amd one b/c it's hurtize are set higher. You can not compare hardware like this and this is prity much all i have been saying the hole time. If you whoun't to talk about the next generation of consles in a sain way then lets. But Dan. XBox 2pi. Playstation 3. 2pi / 3 ~= 2.1 Therfore, the new XBox is way better than the PS3. Q.E.D.'d

Author:	chrispminis [ Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:42 pm ]
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@El Commandante While that would have a lot of nostalgia value, you'd be surprised at how little it would sell. The target market of video games now is too young to appreciate the older systems. Besides the new Revolutions can backplay, just mod up your controller to the likeness of the old SNES controller Or you could always get ROM's and emulators, but nobody saw me say that.

Author:	MihaiG [ Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:25 am ]
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true... but i think people would like the actual experiance of using a SNES or NES witht he sticky buttons that give you blisters from button machind then a keyboard... or how about that pink screen that shows up when a contact with the game isnt made properly... that would be good nostalgia. what are these ROMS/Emulators

Author:	codemage [ Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:02 am ]
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MyPistolsIn3D wrote: I will buy the PS3 to play Final Fantasy games. And hopefully they will come out with a Timesplitters game. FYI, Timesplitters (and timesplitters 2) are PS2 - by far the best FPSs for the system, IMHO. My friends and I still get together for the occasional TS2 marathon, and laugh away the hours with the sheer ridiculousness of the title. A TS title for the PS3 would make me consider getting the platform. Quote: i think they should re-release the NES or SNES... You haven't seen the knock-off systems for sale? They have mini-consoles that have 50-200 oldschool NES / SNES / Genesis games hard coded into them. They're usually $40-60ish. Or... if you really really need to play on the TV, buy a $100 PIII, throw in a $40 vid card with TV out, and install all the emus and ROMs that you could ever play. (Assuming of course that you still have the original cartriges).

Author:	MyPistolsIn3D [ Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:45 pm ]
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Timesplitters 2 is the greatest FPS ever made.... Yea, I said it.

Author:	chrispminis [ Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:56 pm ]
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Yeah, I remember Timesplitters 2 Such a quality game. But its also for GameCube is it not? In which case it's probably also on Xbox?

Author:	Andy [ Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:23 am ]
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http://news.com.com/PlayStation+3+component+prices+Why+so+high/2100-1043_3-6042226.html?tag=st.num the PS3 costs a hell lot more to manufacture than the 360

Author:	codemage [ Thu Feb 23, 2006 11:25 am ]
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That's component cost, mind you, not retail. If Sony's game sales market is as dominant with the new system as it is with the current incarnation, they'll more than make up for the overhead expended in shipping a system much more technically adept than the 360.

Author:	Andy [ Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:48 pm ]
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yes i know.. i meant costs a hell lot more to make.. they said they were going to price it in the same ballpark as the 360. my point is, since it costs so much to manufacture, im guessing it'll be a lot better.. sony thinks so too or they wouldnt be pricing it down so much

Author:	Martin [ Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:49 pm ]
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I figure it'll release for about $100 more than the XBox360. Sony can get the price down through a volume discount so they're really only taking the ~$125 hit that Microsoft is.

Author:	MysticVegeta [ Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:55 pm ]
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Off topic on off topic: Game nerds -_-, I dont even have playstation 2

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:58 pm ]
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MysticVegeta wrote: Off topic on off topic: Game nerds -_-, I dont even have playstation 2 Niether do I, last system I got was PSOne. Although I think I may get a PS3, depending on how well it does, etc.

Author:	Andy [ Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:29 pm ]
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this is getting ridiculous.. the specs on the ps3 is way better than the average computer.. why in the world do we need a $200 2 trillion flops processor in a video game system?

Author:	Dan [ Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:07 pm ]
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Andy wrote: this is getting ridiculous.. the specs on the ps3 is way better than the average computer.. why in the world do we need a $200 2 trillion flops processor in a video game system? For the fanboys, i think the above has show that peoleop fall for that "we have the fastes/bigest/best hardware part X" it dose not seem to matter that at a scrent point it stops maddering and that the system will be bottelnecked at a slower compent making it useless to have so much speed/memory/ect.

Author:	Andy [ Thu Feb 23, 2006 11:01 pm ]
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heck im gona buy a couple of ps3 and strip down it's components for my super computer... 12 cells get you 2 trillion flops, i wonder what 48 cells will get me..

Author:	Dan [ Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:14 am ]
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Unfrontly thos cells have a bad habit of buring out and each time u lose performcen on your ps3.

Author:	codemage [ Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:15 am ]
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A group already tried that with the PS2. They achieved pretty good results after working around the bottlenecks. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2940422.stm

Author:	Andy [ Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:34 am ]
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but thing with ps3s is anybody can do it. With the cell technology, you can "borrow" system resources via lan

Author:	chrispminis [ Sat Feb 25, 2006 3:51 pm ]
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A couple PS3's? You're rich. I just realized, if it counted your Off-Topic posts as posts, I'd have twice as many posts right now I came here for help, but now im mostly here for community

Author:	Andy [ Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:33 am ]
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chrispminis wrote: A couple PS3's? You're rich. not rich.. it's called Co Op =P.. plus, im gona win that RSA thing with my uber l33t super computer lol anywho, have any of you seen this?

Author:	person [ Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:42 pm ]
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Thats one long commercial....

Author:	Andy [ Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:03 am ]
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that is one cool xboy

Author:	Mazer [ Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:09 am ]
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Seriously, what was it? For me it starts to get choppy and unwatchable when she picks up the thing and goes outside.

Author:	Andy [ Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:36 am ]
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err coutsos you suck.. it's microsoft origami. its basicly a 10 inch tablet pc that can act as a remote, connect to wifi, the 3G network, play halo by holding it like a psp, equipped with a really good hand recognition program, allows photo editing 10 hours battery life with instant on, uses an custom intel made 0.5w processor. all for $500 usd.

Author:	Dan [ Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:21 pm ]
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AKA. a crapy laptop with no keyborad and a touch screen.

Author:	Mazer [ Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:53 pm ]
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Unless it can fold itself into a frog, I'm unimpressed. Who cares about Halo, if you can manage that feat?

Author:	Dan [ Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:53 pm ]
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It worrys me that the comapy that made that used flash with no buffering capablitys to play a standered movie with no need for flash. What dose that tell us about the product? Also if this thing is M$ then it is going to be using there handwriting recngiting witch is not "realy good" from what i have seen. If it has instant on then that means the OS is stored on ROM or some other soild state witch makes chages to the OS more difucalt and limited. (ie. no linux for us, lol) I don't see how this is any better then an untrla light laptop like some that sony makes.....

Author:	Mazer [ Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:26 pm ]
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Hacker Dan wrote: It worrys me that the comapy that made that used flash with no buffering capablitys to play a standered movie with no need for flash. What dose that tell us about the product? If it is Microsoft (again, haven't watched it for more than ~15 seconds), then why wouldn't it be hosted on their own website? The fact that it's linked to creativecoremedia.com tells me they've done something to the file. In fact, if you try to download the swf and play it locally, you get nothing. I wish people would just link to the damn media and stop trying to embed shit in the pages I'm browsing.

Author:	Andy [ Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:46 am ]
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This is a year old actually, it was used to demonstrate the versatility of the origamy, it wasnt even supposed to be realsed into public. MS is going to release some detail tomorrow on this. Dan MS plans to design a new hand recognition just for this, why do you think there are 6 versions of vista? and it does have a keyboard, have you watched the whole video? it's folding case has a keyboard embedded. Oh and it's better than the sony one because its cheaper, it can connect to the 3G network, and it has a touch screen, longer battery life, and can play games like a hand held

Author:	Mazer [ Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:33 am ]
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Andy wrote: Dan MS plans to design a new hand recognition just for this, why do you think there are 6 versions of vista? Actually, what does hand recognition have to do with the different versions of Vista?

Author:	codemage [ Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:21 am ]
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Nothing? The 6 versions won't have a temendous impact on home users. Lower versions have scaled back features. The user is essentially picking from (where vista replaces XP): Vista home vista home pro vista media centre

Author:	Andy [ Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:29 pm ]
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vista ultra portable for origami?

Author:	Dan [ Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:06 pm ]
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Andy wrote: and it does have a keyboard, have you watched the whole video? it's folding case has a keyboard embedded. Yes i did. And i do not count being able to add on a keyborad witch i whould probly have to buy as a bulit in keyborad. That is like buying a laptop and having to buy the keyborad for it speartly. From what i have seen it is just a glorafied perosanl media player. The problems with thess devices that try to do everything is that they do it all just not any of them very well. Also windows vista + gps caplbilitys (witch it looks like they where hiting at) + cell phone networks/wifi netowrks sacres the carp out of me. We know some of the plans they had for modering P.C.s i could not image what whould happen with vista on a gps....

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:13 pm ]
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Hahaha, I read something really hilarious about one of those versions of Vista... Something stupid like it limits you at running 3 applications at once. Oh man, if that were true... They must have spent more time limiting users than actually developing the operating system.

Author:	wtd [ Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:57 pm ]
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That's the horribly crippled Starter version thery plan to sell in places like southeast asia to make it look like they're trying to encourage people not to pirate full versions of Windows.

Author:	codemage [ Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:46 am ]
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If it's very cheap, it could be a smart move. In some countries like Singapore & the Phillipines, the vast majority of Windows software isn't legit. If they can convince people to pay $20 for a completely scaled back, but legal version, that's $20 per licence that they didn't have before.

Author:	Andy [ Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:12 am ]
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when i went back to china last summer, i couldnt even find a place that sold legit copies of windows...

Author:	Dan [ Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:39 am ]
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codemage wrote: If they can convince people to pay $20 for a completely scaled back, but legal version, that's $20 per licence that they didn't have before. Ya, but it's one thing to scale back another to go out of there way to limit the use of it. My comp boots up more then 3 aplications wehn i login. What worryes me is that the way they are going soon they will be able to run your os like a serivce. You have to pay $x per moth to use it and probly you will have to pay extara to use x amount of space, ram, processes. Soon it will not realy be your computer any more but M$s. That sraces me enougth, never mind the hole big brother part of it.

Author:	Andy [ Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:51 am ]
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that's what IBM wants to do with internet computing.. it's a really good idea

Author:	Martin [ Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:37 pm ]
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codemage wrote: If it's very cheap, it could be a smart move. In some countries like Singapore & the Phillipines, the vast majority of Windows software isn't legit. If they can convince people to pay $20 for a completely scaled back, but legal version, that's $20 per licence that they didn't have before. What bothers me about that is the moral problem. A second rate OS for second rate people? Microsoft's stance on this is pretty much a perfect example of why piracy is a problem, and it's the content provider's fault. They are basically saying "Oh, why won't people buy our products even though they can get a much better version online faster and for free?" Once the quality is matched, people will start to buy software. Would you pay $20 for a severely crippled, but legit, version of Windows to replace your pirated one? You probably wouldn't even consider it. Would you pay $20 for a legit version of Windows XP Pro to replace your pirated version of the same software? I know I would. Same goes for iTunes and Lost. $2 for an episode of Lost? I'd be more than willing to pay that... oh ... wait. 320x240 resolution? When I can get high def online for free?

Author:	wtd [ Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:39 pm ]
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codemage wrote: If it's very cheap, it could be a smart move. In some countries like Singapore & the Phillipines, the vast majority of Windows software isn't legit. It's not a legit attempt to fight piracy. Pirated is still cheaper than $30. Microsoft knows full well that without piracy they wouldn't have a monopoly, and without a monopoly, they wouldn't sell anything.

Author:	chrispminis [ Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:44 pm ]
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Yeah, I know that in China, you could buy Windows OS like McDonald's McDeal's. Its incredibly cheap. After all I am chinese, and many kiosks under the disguise of pirated software vendors, sell pirated software. lol. Also. wtd posts on off topic? Hooray!

Author:	codemage [ Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:08 am ]
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Good to hear that I'm not the only one who's paying less cough cough thatn $2 for good-def episodes of LOST. (Many thanks to LOL).

Author:	Mazer [ Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:51 pm ]
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Getting back to the origami thing. Decent link. And, regarding Dodge's Halo comment.

Author:	batman [ Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:50 pm ]
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I prefer the PS3! Theres only one problem with it. I heard from someone that when it comes out its going to be really expensive! I heard something like 700 dollars? Is that right? Anyways, I like PS3 cause playstation has a big selection of games. You go to a store and the Playstation section is the biggest section out of them all, usually. As for the nintendo, im not a big fan of nintendo well i dont know about the new one but the gamecube no offence to those who like it but it just sucks. There is no dvd player, no cd player. Whatever goodgames nintendo has are on other consoles and whatever games that only nintendo have are just crappy. For example ummm Luigi's Mansion or something. I find nintendo is more of a kiddy console. But for graphics wise the computer is the best.

Author:	Booya [ Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:15 pm ]
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I heard it was about 600 dollars.

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:19 pm ]
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Nobody knows what it's going to cost yet, but I believe it is most likely to be about $100 above the XBox360. That would be quite reasonable for a starting price, covering the higher production costs and better hardware, etc.

Author:	batman [ Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:30 pm ]
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Thanks for the info gandalf and booya!

Author:	Andy [ Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:53 pm ]
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i wish people would read the previous pages before asking questions.. read page 4

Author:	Mazer [ Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:13 pm ]
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Wish granted. But you die! To be fair, reading through pages of potential crap isn't the most appealing thought. Have you ever tried to find something in an "official" thread that spans more than 250 pages and is already split into 4 parts? But in this case Google would've done the trick, I bet.

Author:	chrispminis [ Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:09 pm ]
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LOL! Coutsos wrote: Wish granted. But you die! You actually made me check the thread title again.

Author:	Andy [ Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:09 am ]
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coutsos, i hope your students annoy you to the point of suicide this week

Author:	Dan [ Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:08 am ]
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To/Directed at batman: Some days i realy think i am geting threw to poeleop and opening there eyes to seeing the world in new ways and fight agisted the nrom being the best/right just b/c it is the norm. Seeing peoelop realzie this makes me feal that i am aucatly chaging the world and helping there be a better tomore. Then i saw your post and lost all faith in humaity......... (Note: ninteond has the bigest game libray as a fact.) Also have u ever aucatly played "Luigi's Mansion or something", aucatly have u ever realy played on the GCN for more then 10 mins?

Author:	codemage [ Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:57 am ]
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I've heard that Sony will retail at the same price as the 360, knowing that they'll recover the deficit when they sell more consoles. If they price match, and if they have good titles at launch, there aren't too many people who will still consider buying an inferior product from MS at that price. IGN says around $400; I've seen other sources that state lower.

Author:	Mazer [ Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:06 am ]
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Andy wrote: coutsos, i hope your students annoy you to the point of suicide this week Quote: Assignment2, Due: March 13, 11:59 p.m. Breath in NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

Author:	Andy [ Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:05 pm ]
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PS3 delayed

Author:	batman [ Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:57 pm ]
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Looks like the PS3 is getting delayed that sucks! Thanks for the info Andy and Codemage Hacker Dan I know NINTENDO has the biggest libary but not the gamecube though! I went to walmart the other day, theres like one section and for playstation 2 there were three sections well two and a half. And too answer your question ive played the gamecube several times I just don't like it but hey thats my opinion, if u like it thats great for u. But you have to admit one thing though! NGC doesn't even have a dvd player. The only thing i like about the NGC is you dont have to buy a stupid multi tab thing to play with more then two players like on playstation 2.

Author:	Dan [ Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:25 pm ]
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Why whould i whont a cd player or dvd player in my console? I have seen the quality (or rather lack there of) on the PS2 and a cheap dvd player whould beat it any day. Also the XBox dose not come with dvd working. And in fact there is a verson of the game cube that dose play cds and dvds but it has not been promoted much/at all in north amraca due to the idea being a lost cost easy to trasport system. This topic is about the next gneration consoles so why the game cubes librray comes in to play i do not know. Espalty since the revltotions is going to be able to play all nintiondo games (witch makes it the console with the most games). Also if we are going to be tehcinal the game cube can play game boy games with a cheap offical nintiondo addon (if this dose not count then how can we say the XBox has dvd playbility?) making it's libray the bigest.

Author:	batman [ Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:43 pm ]
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Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm You make some interesting points there! Nintendos library is big but when ps3 comes out you can play both ps2 and ps1 games also so that makes its library pretty big as well. And the dvd player on the ps2 is way better then a cheap dvd player. Now i never said nintendo was no good! I dont mind nintendo I just dont like there type of games thats all I prefer ps2 and there games like socom and battlefield and stuff. But there soemthing I really hate about nintendo! Not the consoles but the gameboys. They come out with a gameboy like every 6 months. First it was the gameboy advance, then ds, then the touch screen one, and then the micro one like all in the span of two, three years!

Author:	chrispminis [ Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:30 pm ]
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Erm i think you mean the advance, the SP, and then the DS.

Author:	Mazer [ Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:48 pm ]
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They came out with the GBA because people wanted fun portable gaming and Nintendo could deliver. They made the GBA:SP because people wanted a backlit display, better battery life, and a better form factor. (actually, can anyone verify the battery thing? I don't own an advance, but I seem to remember it using AA's for some reason) They made the Nintendo DS because they wanted to change portable gaming. I'm willing to bet your firstborn child that there wasn't a non-touch screen version of it. They made the GB Micro because they could take something that people already like and make it even more portable. Supposedly the screen is even sharper. What about NVIDIA? They're making new GPUs, like, ALL the time. Ghey!

Author:	Andy [ Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:24 pm ]
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NVIDIA sux... i'll post stability benchmarks later next week..

Author:	wtd [ Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:53 pm ]
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Coutsos wrote: They came out with the GBA because people wanted fun portable gaming and Nintendo could deliver. They made the GBA:SP because people wanted a backlit display, better battery life, and a better form factor. (actually, can anyone verify the battery thing? I don't own an advance, but I seem to remember it using AA's for some reason) They made the Nintendo DS because they wanted to change portable gaming. I'm willing to bet your firstborn child that there wasn't a non-touch screen version of it. They made the GB Micro because they could take something that people already like and make it even more portable. Supposedly the screen is even sharper. You forgot the new DS Lite.

Author:	Dan [ Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:17 am ]
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Tho it should be noted that every verson of the game boy to date has been backwords combaital with all gameboys befor it. This was befor the ps1 or 2 where even around. As for saying that nintedo games are childish, admintly some are but there game play is still of the best quality. Also jugeing a console based soley on one devloper is just dumb. If the only games that where made of the nintendo consoles where by ninitendo you may have a point but there is stuff like rez evil and tales of sypohnia out there too for the gcn. In fact tales is the best non online RPG i have ever played and can only be found on the gcn and deperstains how cell shading should be uses. Also ninteindo is starting to get in to more mature games, the new zealda that is coming out for the gcn is much more matchure then the last one. But even if it was not, who here can hostly say they have played threw a zealda game and not enjoyed it? The zealada games have provied me with hours of fun, some of the best video game memroys i have where trying to slove there puzles and just playing around in there worlds. I blive they revloatized game play ideas and had sandbox systems b4 peoleop even knew what sandboxs ment in video games. Mario and his firends have allways repsented the more platform, litte thought fast play games for nintendo (other then the RPGs). And have also had some very origanl game play that has spawned off many others like it. Mario 64 was one of the 1st i saw that had the idea of worlds insdied of worlds where u had to acomplish a goal in them in difrent ways but the same world. Throwing thess away for being clidish is like saying u do not like how the artest drew the chars therefor all the game play value and ideas in the world will not make it a good game. And in reality what aucatly makes thess games "chlidish" is the art work and nothing eltes. Now by now i am beitng peoleop have stoped reading or just assumed that i am compelty bissed to nintindo games. This is unture for the most part, i whould defend playstation games too, they have done a gr8 job bring the more jappnes style games to the armaican market with tones of gr8 anime rpgs and games and clacisks like katomary demoish (realy bad sping there). The reason why i am allways defending ninitendo is b/c it seems like every one is bashing them soely on false infromation and bad rep they have goten from marketing from the other 2 consoles.

Author:	Mazer [ Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:41 am ]
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wtd wrote: Coutsos wrote: They came out with the GBA because people wanted fun portable gaming and Nintendo could deliver. They made the GBA:SP because people wanted a backlit display, better battery life, and a better form factor. (actually, can anyone verify the battery thing? I don't own an advance, but I seem to remember it using AA's for some reason) They made the Nintendo DS because they wanted to change portable gaming. I'm willing to bet your firstborn child that there wasn't a non-touch screen version of it. They made the GB Micro because they could take something that people already like and make it even more portable. Supposedly the screen is even sharper. You forgot the new DS Lite. Thanks, wtd! And then they made the DS Lite because it's everything people liked about the DS but better feel and brighter screens. It hasn't been released in North America yet, but that doesn't stop people from getting it shipped from Japan.

Author:	batman [ Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:13 pm ]
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You make some good points there dan but i guess im not really a fan of nintendo! I rather have a psp then a nintendo game boy anyday!

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