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Author:  person [ Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:14 pm ]
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i was just wondering, in which math course in highschool do they teach about matrixes
Author:  Mazer [ Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:20 pm ]
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Algebra.

EDIT: "Geometry and Discrete" in some places, I guess.
Of course you could just learn about matrices yourself.
Author:  Neo [ Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:45 pm ]
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That wont be an option till 12th grade I believe.
Author:  Dan [ Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:49 pm ]
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In 1st~2nd year uni for compsci.ca there is a hole corse on it prity much. Linear algebra. Also the discreat math in 1st year in uni has some chators about it as well.
Author:  GlobeTrotter [ Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:11 pm ]
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You learn it in Geometry and Discrete, Gr. 12

You learn to solve matrices in order to find the point/line/plane of intersection of multiple planes.
Author:  brenn [ Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:15 pm ]
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The subject is lightly touched upon in Data Management, as well.
Author:  MysticVegeta [ Fri Nov 11, 2005 7:15 pm ]
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I tried reading on matrix in the library, not that hard when you have done 2D arrays in programming before.
Author:  Cervantes [ Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:17 pm ]
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This is somewhat old news, but I only just remembered it.
Calculus in high school is no more. Anyone else aware of this?
Author:  person [ Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:40 pm ]
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Calculus in high school is no more. Anyone else aware of this?


im pretty sure my school still has it
Author:  md [ Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:48 pm ]
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Wha? No calculus in high school anymore? I didn't hear that anywhere...
Author:  Cervantes [ Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:07 pm ]
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It begins next year.

The whole math departments are being reshuffled. I can only assume this applies to more than just my region, as it would be ridiculous for a single region to stop teaching calculus without the other regions: We'd be dead at University.

It could even be more than Ontario. Who knows...
Author:  Neo [ Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:17 pm ]
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Cervantes wrote:
This is somewhat old news, but I only just remembered it.
Calculus in high school is no more. Anyone else aware of this?


Really? So what, only algebra and data management for grade 12?? Wow that sucks...
Author:  [Gandalf] [ Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:32 pm ]
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I haven't heard anything of the sort. Why?

I can't believe how they somehow randomly dumb-down the system every once in a while.
Author:  Hikaru79 [ Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:13 pm ]
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Unfortunately, it is true Sad This is the last year of Calculus for the regular Ontario curriculum. Of course, there's a loophole -- a lot of schools are combatting this by offering AP Calculus, like some of the Western provinces do (Alberta, etc). Since that's not core curriculum, it's safe. That's the route Massey is taking. For the students at the schools offering this, they might actually be better off, since the AP courses will to some extent replace University credits, and have a higher standing with American Universities.
Author:  Cervantes [ Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:44 am ]
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Yep. AP Calculus remains.

I'm not sure about this, but I think there will still be 3 gr 12 math courses. Like I said, though, they're shuffling a lot of things around.

Another thing to note: This isn't being phased in. That is, this curriculum change happens immediately, rather than starting it only for the grade nines of next year. I hear that the kids in grade 9 now are going to have a tough time, as a lot of the grade 9 and 10 material has been switched. When they get to grade 10, they will have been expected to learn, according to the new curriculum, a bunch of stuff in grade 9 that they didn't cover.
Author:  we64 [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:39 pm ]
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Yeah, no calculus anymore, which is stupid. My teacher said something about saving budget, which is stupid anyways. Stupid school board people, they just keep waste budget on stuff and say they dont' have any money at all. I don't know why elected those people, sure I didn't.
I guess those young grades will know nothing about calculus when they go into university, which means they will get owned. O well, blame the school board. AP calculus people would be fine, but the teacher's work load will increase, and the class wouldn't be as smart as now. My class is full of genius.
Author:  Brightguy [ Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:03 pm ]
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Remove calculus from high school? Can they do that? I heard one person mention it, but I haven't heard about any student riots or protests, so it must just be a rumour...

Personally, I think that calculus should be introduced even before grade 12.

Oh, and what's AP calculus?
Author:  Paul [ Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:25 pm ]
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In we64's and my school (same school), we offer the Advanced Placement programs. AP calc is one of them. We finish the normal calc course in half the time then go on to AP stuff. In the normal course we also do AP level questions. What scares me the most is that our grade 10 PreAP math students are already doing some calculus. Me and we64, having never taken preAP, and went right into AP are amazed by how much the preAp students already know. So he's saying that if they do remove calc from HS, our AP students will be fine.
Author:  [Gandalf] [ Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:08 pm ]
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That's really too bad... Too bad and messed up Confused.
The people who were struggling with normal Calculus, needing it, won't have the option of going into AP. Same thing with school's that don't offer it.
Author:  Paul [ Sat Dec 10, 2005 11:22 pm ]
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I doubt that will happen though, everything requires calculus, I don't even know why they're considering it.
Author:  we64 [ Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:22 am ]
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well school board people always have crazy ideas. My teacher said they might replace it with some sort of advanced algebra course, which I think it is like a pre-calculus course.
But again the thing is that for people who are going to science, math, and engineering, calculus in university shouldn't be too bad at all. The concept of derivative can be taught in grade 10 no problem.
And if you study in my school from grade 9 preAP math course until grade 11, you probably knows more math than the people who are currently enrolling in regular calculus. And the real AP calculus will be all genius and crazy people in my school.
Author:  Andy [ Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:38 pm ]
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calculus is way more than derivitives.. im taking advanced calculus rite now at waterloo, and we spent 2/3 months on sequences and limits. and only 1 month on derivities. learning how to take a derivitives means absolutely nothing. i know people who graduated highschool with a 95 in their calc class, and when they get to uni, they fail hands down. its a shame that they're taking away calc from highschool, but then again, the course didnt put enough emphasis on the important stuff anyways.
Author:  Paul [ Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:57 pm ]
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Andy wrote:
calculus is way more than derivitives.. .


I think he meant in high school calc courses Razz
Author:  Martin [ Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:23 am ]
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There are two courses about the Matrix Master called Econ 101 and Econ 102. Tony is a witness too.
Author:  bugzpodder [ Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:26 pm ]
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Hacker Dan wrote:
In 1st~2nd year uni for compsci.ca there is a hole corse on it prity much. Linear algebra. Also the discreat math in 1st year in uni has some chators about it as well.


Linear Algebra can just kiss my ass. seriously.
Author:  bugzpodder [ Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:28 pm ]
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Andy wrote:
calculus is way more than derivitives.. im taking advanced calculus rite now at waterloo, and we spent 2/3 months on sequences and limits. and only 1 month on derivities. learning how to take a derivitives means absolutely nothing. i know people who graduated highschool with a 95 in their calc class, and when they get to uni, they fail hands down. its a shame that they're taking away calc from highschool, but then again, the course didnt put enough emphasis on the important stuff anyways.


yeah i know what you mean. i am failing linear algebra II hands down lol.
Author:  Andy [ Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:02 pm ]
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zomg wtf.. jack even you?? you must be shitting me.. you're my frigging algebra TA
Author:  djlenny_3000 [ Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:17 pm ]
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actually in ontario its not that bad

next year 2006-2007 calculus is going from minly derivitives to more trigonemtry since ontario got rid of grade 13, unfortunately for some people some universities focus mainly on the derivitive part of the course and believe that most students will know the trigonometry pretty well

i think this whole thing started when quebec decided to merge calculus and geo-discrete and now all of canada is getting that hit

so if your in grade 11 there is a tough choice either take it next semester or hope the change is good

i went for the first one
Author:  we64 [ Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:44 pm ]
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trigs are not that difficult is it?
For calculus purposes, sin is cos, cos is -sin, etc. Mostly memorized. And then inverse sin, etc..memorized again.
Nothing too difficult about it.
Author:  GlobeTrotter [ Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:11 pm ]
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I assume that the trig functions/identities associated with cot, csc, and sec will be introduced into the grade 12 "calculus" course next year. That is my take on the issue.
Author:  we64 [ Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:15 pm ]
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GlobeTrotter wrote:
I assume that the trig functions/identities associated with cot, csc, and sec will be introduced into the grade 12 "calculus" course next year. That is my take on the issue.


Well those 3 aren't that useful and the way they introduce it is just memorizing their derivative anyways, not much point to it.
Author:  djlenny_3000 [ Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:53 pm ]
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GlobeTrotter wrote:
I assume that the trig functions/identities associated with cot, csc, and sec will be introduced into the grade 12 "calculus" course next year. That is my take on the issue.


they will be introduced both years both focussed on more next year

and for some trig is easy

oh god is it easy

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