Cervantes wrote:
On a related note, The Globe and Mail released their annual University Report Card today.
Lakehead isn't even listed
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| Author: | Tony [ Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:32 pm ] |
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Cervantes wrote: On a related note, The Globe and Mail released their annual University Report Card today.
Lakehead isn't even listed |
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| Author: | Neo [ Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:28 pm ] |
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Whats lakehead? |
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| Author: | jamonathin [ Wed Nov 02, 2005 9:23 pm ] |
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Neo wrote: Whats lakehead?
What you dont know what LakeHEad IS!!!11 :surprised: Clearly the only way to get into the NBA  |
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| Author: | Dan [ Wed Nov 02, 2005 10:37 pm ] |
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1st off leave the thunderwolves alone or i will hurt you, it is not there falut they have no one to play agingested. 2ndly that is realy messed up that lakehead is not listed. I mean we are alot biger (by popualtion, repuation, funding and size) then some of the unis on that list and alot more well know them some as well. Lakehead is an offical fully funden canadian univrsity and should be in that list. I blive this is an over sight by the globeandmail and aucatly has me prity pissed off. Edit: wtf, they have an artical on "The rise of e-classrooms" and lakehead has one of the most adavced election learning classroom bulding in north armaica and they are not even metniond. This realy makes me whonder about the integerity of the globandmail. Update: I have now writen a letter to the glob and mail asking them why they made such and oversight. I am still awaiting a reply. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:29 am ] |
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Hacker Dan wrote: Update: I have now writen a letter to the glob and mail asking them why they made such and oversight. I am still awaiting a reply.
I was gonna suggest you to do it, but you're ahead of the game here Dan  I hope you got someone to proofread the letter though.
Oh.. I came across Quote: This year's University Report Card reflects the opinion of 26,198 undergraduates, all current full- or part-time students, who are members of the studentawards.com on-line database. Universities that had fewer than 250 students respondents were not included in the rankings Guess Lakehead has less than 1% of Canada's undergrads  |
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| Author: | Dan [ Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:51 pm ] |
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I all ready toald you in the above post that lakehead has a biger population then some of the univirsitys on there list. Since lakehead is an undergatute school this should be almost all of lakeheads population. I know for a fact that lakehead has more undergrads then nippising for shure. Edit: what the heck is studentawards.com any how? |
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| Author: | Cervantes [ Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:57 pm ] |
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Hacker Dan wrote: Edit: what the heck is studentawards.com any how?
It is a site that will link students up with scholarships. You register, fill out your information, and they show you what awards you could be eligable for. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:25 pm ] |
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I guess this just means that Lakehead students are not eligable for any awards, so they weren't surveyed |
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| Author: | Martin [ Thu Nov 03, 2005 7:07 pm ] |
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Waterloo's is pretty accurate. Overall academic reputation of your university - A+ Reputation of university among employers - A+ Reputation for undergraduate studies - A+ ... Attractiveness of campus - C+ Food Services - C+ School spirit - C+ Overall availability of financial assistance - C- Availability of merit-based scholarships - D |
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| Author: | Dan [ Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:29 pm ] |
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Tony wrote: I guess this just means that Lakehead students are not eligable for any awards, so they weren't surveyed
Then the survery is not very vaild and it whould be basited to serveral factors. I find it very desterbing that the golb and mail whould do such shoty reporting. |
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| Author: | Hikaru79 [ Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:55 pm ] |
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It seems to me that the data was compiled from student input from that site. If Lakehead didn't make it on there, regardless of their population size, it is simply because not enough Lakehead students participated. How is that the Globe's fault? The survey can't be biased on the G+M's part because, according to my reading, they didn't do anything except relay the findings of surveys filled out ... by students of those universities ... |
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| Author: | Dan [ Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:38 am ] |
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Hikaru79 wrote: It seems to me that the data was compiled from student input from that site. If Lakehead didn't make it on there, regardless of their population size, it is simply because not enough Lakehead students participated. How is that the Globe's fault?
The survey can't be biased on the G+M's part because, according to my reading, they didn't do anything except relay the findings of surveys filled out ... by students of those universities ... The sorce of the data in a survey can very much basied it. For expalme if u where doing a poll for an eclection and only whent to the ritcher narborhods to ask poelope you whould have a basied to partys like the consterives on the other hand go to a poorer area and you will see a baised to the more socialist partys. If one whonted to pusblish there finds on who they though whould win an election and only used a sorce from one such nabrohod there study/artical whould be very off from the truth. From the sounds of it this awerdes site dose not apply fully to every univsirty or studtent. So you are not geting an unbasied polling of sutdents. For example since the site is about socerlships and awards the data will be basied to better performing students garde wise since more avg students will not bother looking for socerships if they do not blive there gardes are high enought. This fact alone could very much basied any serveray done from only one sorce. As journalists the golab and mail should have realsied this basies and conudted there articals with more sorces or a difrent sorce alltoghter. |
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| Author: | Hikaru79 [ Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:56 am ] |
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The data was compiled from students who voluntarily registered for a website to participate. Lakehead has internet access, doesn't it? What did you want them to do, send reporters to every University and force those students to register? And you can't say that Lakehead didn't know about this -- the "Report Card" is a pretty famous thing that they do yearly, even I've heard of it and I'm not even at University yet. It's not the newspaper's fault that out of the entire school population, not even 250 kids felt like signing up. Lakehead was not "overlooked" in any way... |
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| Author: | Brightguy [ Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:01 am ] |
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Actually there's a simple reason why nobody cares - Lakehead resides in Northern Ontario, aka the middle of nowhere. Seriously though, I lived there my whole life... and it's better when you don't have weekly bear warnings.  |
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| Author: | 1of42 [ Wed Nov 09, 2005 9:10 pm ] |
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Hacker Dan wrote: 1st off leave the thunderwolves alone or i will hurt you, it is not there falut they have no one to play agingested. 2ndly that is realy messed up that lakehead is not listed. I mean we are alot biger (by popualtion, repuation, funding and size) then some of the unis on that list and alot more well know them some as well. Lakehead is an offical fully funden canadian univrsity and should be in that list. I blive this is an over sight by the globeandmail and aucatly has me prity pissed off.
Edit: wtf, they have an artical on "The rise of e-classrooms" and lakehead has one of the most adavced election learning classroom bulding in north armaica and they are not even metniond. This realy makes me whonder about the integerity of the globandmail. Update: I have now writen a letter to the glob and mail asking them why they made such and oversight. I am still awaiting a reply. Martin says: I just saved your ass. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Thu Nov 10, 2005 12:17 am ] |
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Hikaru79 wrote: The data was compiled from students who voluntarily registered for a website to participate. Lakehead has internet access, doesn't it? What did you want them to do, send reporters to every University and force those students to register?
1st of all this site was not about ranking univrsitys, it was about schooler ships for slected universitys. Why whould lakehead students regesiter there if there was no lakehead schoolerships aviable at that time? Quote: And you can't say that Lakehead didn't know about this -- the "Report Card" is a pretty famous thing that they do yearly, even I've heard of it and I'm not even at University yet. It's not the newspaper's fault that out of the entire school population, not even 250 kids felt like signing up. Lakehead was not "overlooked" in any way... 1st of all aucatly i have never hured of it b4 this year and the old real one that i know of is the maclains one witch had no problem geting data for lakehead. 2ndly it is there fault when they use a baised sorce for there data. i allready expained why it was baised quite well. Quote: Actually there's a simple reason why nobody cares - Lakehead resides in Northern Ontario, aka the middle of nowhere. Seriously though, I lived there my whole life... and it's better when you don't have weekly bear warnings. I am hoping you ment this in a joking way b/c lakehead is very import to northen studys and is one of a few unis in ontraio that is going to have a medical school. The localtion of the univierity dose not effect the qualitys of it other then the distacne from where you live. Also thos bear warnings are not weekly, monthly at best =p Quote: Martin says: I just saved your ass. Do i even whont to know?[/code] |
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| Author: | Hikaru79 [ Thu Nov 10, 2005 7:10 am ] |
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Hacker Dan wrote: Hikaru79 wrote: The data was compiled from students who voluntarily registered for a website to participate. Lakehead has internet access, doesn't it? What did you want them to do, send reporters to every University and force those students to register?
1st of all this site was not about ranking univrsitys, it was about schooler ships for slected universitys. Why whould lakehead students regesiter there if there was no lakehead schoolerships aviable at that time? Hacker Dan wrote: Quote: And you can't say that Lakehead didn't know about this -- the "Report Card" is a pretty famous thing that they do yearly, even I've heard of it and I'm not even at University yet. It's not the newspaper's fault that out of the entire school population, not even 250 kids felt like signing up. Lakehead was not "overlooked" in any way... 1st of all aucatly i have never hured of it b4 this year and the old real one that i know of is the maclains one witch had no problem geting data for lakehead. 2ndly it is there fault when they use a baised sorce for there data. i allready expained why it was baised quite well. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:23 am ] |
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Dan -- this is all quite simple. Next year register 250 account in Lakehead's name and skew the results into AA+ for every category. See if Globe&Mail publishes that |
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| Author: | codemage [ Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:21 am ] |
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I still like the survey better, in general than the Macleans version. The students may be biased too; but they're likely more informed about most of the issues concerning campus life than a bunch of old white guys that live in a corporate office. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:43 pm ] |
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Hikaru79 wrote: So that they can participate in the survey. Thousands of other university students had no problems finding the site and registering. It wasn't some big guarded secret that the Globe carefully orchestrated in order to keep Lakehead away from. It's something they've been doing for YEARS, its quite well known. Believe me, no Globe representatives travelled to any of the other universities on that list to get them to participate. It was allllll voluntary.
To my knogeal non of thos unsivirity students when to this site for the reason of doing the survay and there reason was scoraships. The golba and main just used there data base as a sorce to find students. This could have been done much better by simpley asking the unvieritys to email there studens with a link to the serveray. But no the globe toke the lazy way out. Also if the ranking is quite well know (witch is debatable) the sorce for it is not, and i do not blive that you could honstly say where the data was coming from befor you read this topic. Quote: Yeah, sure, the survey is biased, as most surveys are. However, the whole point of the survey was to make it different from all the other rankings that exist out there -- instead of it being judged by a jury or by McLean's executives or whatever, it gets to be evaluated by the students themselves. A neat idea. Yes, its biased unless they force a proportionate amount from each school to participate, but again I ask you -- how can you blame Globe and Mail for not enough students in your school not participating in a VOLUNTARY SURVEY? As a reptuable sorce of news and infromtation the golab is expcted and recuried to get ride of as much bais from there news as posable. This is what ture journalish is about, they are not fox news affter all. 2ndly i blive that mclaines rankings are largerly deptermined by students and poeleop atented that school as well as facts like the phd to non phd ratio for the school and there funding levels. How can i blame globe and mail? simple they used a know to be basied sorce for there data that forced lakehead to not have enougth repusation. It whould be like talking a waterloo phone book to find students and then using it to rate u of t. It just dose not work, and is just dumb to do so. Also i blive you are forgeting that we do not know why lakehead was not in the report, we are just gusing this is the reason. the golb and mail did not see fit to repsoed to my letters. Also about studys; if you do not have enought data for a secrent element of your studty the hole study is falwed and can not be a vaild comperson, thus it should never have been published to begin with. Quote: Dan -- this is all quite simple. Next year register 250 account in Lakehead's name and skew the results into AA+ for every category. See if Globe&Mail publishes that Laughing You know i think i just might, remined me next year and we can have some fun. Hell lets make up our own uni and give it A++ and see if they even check that. Quote: I still like the survey better, in general than the Macleans version. The students may be biased too; but they're likely more informed about most of the issues concerning campus life than a bunch of old white guys that live in a corporate office. Indeed they are basied but as i side above the macleans verson i blive is partly student suvary based, aswell as hard facts like funding levels and ratios that are not basied. |
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| Author: | 1of42 [ Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:05 pm ] |
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Frankly, all the surveys are biased, so getting into a huff about it will get you absolutely nowhere. In any case, I don't think many people actually pay much attention to those things - do they? |
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| Author: | Cervantes [ Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:20 pm ] |
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Good point. I'd rather judge for myself. However, I cannot judge everything about the university in a visit (or two). And there are things I can't judge for myself regardless of how many times I visit--things such as teaching quality. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:25 pm ] |
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Cervantes wrote: things such as teaching quality.
If you come back to Waterloo again during a weekday, you could shadow one of the students to all the lectures. |
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| Author: | Cervantes [ Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:36 pm ] |
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Touche. But I doing so for all the universities one is interested in may be too much. Also, I certainly couldn't see all the professors teach (in the area I am interested in) in one day. Furthermore, I wouldn't know what the heck their talking about, so it'd be hard to judge if they are effectively conveying the ideas to the real students. 
Basically, all I'm saying is that these report cards are good resources, but they should not be the only resource. |
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| Author: | 1of42 [ Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:21 pm ] |
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Cervantes wrote: Basically, all I'm saying is that these report cards are good resources, but they should not be the only resource.
Bingo. Additionally, just because whatever school you go to/happen to like gets what you believe to be an unfavorable review, doesn't mean you should become rabid and write long posts about how the entire process is biased and stupid.... |
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| Author: | Dan [ Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:41 pm ] |
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1of42 wrote: Cervantes wrote: Basically, all I'm saying is that these report cards are good resources, but they should not be the only resource.
Bingo. Additionally, just because whatever school you go to/happen to like gets what you believe to be an unfavorable review, doesn't mean you should become rabid and write long posts about how the entire process is biased and stupid.... I am not "become[ing] rabid and writ[ing] long posts about how the entire process is biased and stupid" beacuse my school got an "unfavorable review" i am upset beacouse my uni and serveral others where totaly left out of the review complety. If you aucatly read what i was saying you whould know this but rather you just desied to post and flame. This whould be a good resource if they aucatly reviewed all the unis. But how is it sposted to help me make up my mind is persay i was thinking about chaing to u of w (witch i am not)? I mean you can not just leave out unis and still have journalist interogrity. That whould be like comaper OS and leaving out linux. And it dose not matter if it will allways have a small biase, what dose mater is having a big one that can be corected. A jorunalits job is to try to be unbasied as posable, in this case they are being lazy and that is what has me upset. To 1of42: falming is not within the rules of this site. If you whould like to aucatly read my posts and then have an integencte debate about it that is fine but it is quite clear to me that you have not. |
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| Author: | 1of42 [ Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:10 pm ] |
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Show me one single place where I made a comment that went any further than commenting on how I think you're overreacting? The fact that you disagree with my opinion does not make it flaming. A flame would be something like "OMFG you're so dumb, Lakehead isn't on there cuz it SUX lol!". Notice I don't say that. |
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| Author: | Hikaru79 [ Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:56 pm ] |
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1of42 wrote: Show me one single place where I made a comment that went any further than commenting on how I think you're overreacting? The fact that you disagree with my opinion does not make it flaming. A flame would be something like "OMFG you're so dumb, Lakehead isn't on there cuz it SUX lol!". Notice I don't say that.
What he's saying is that you said that he said that the Globe gave Lakehead an unfavourable review. His point is that the Globe didn't give Lakehead any review at all, so you accusing him of being sore at the paper for a not-nice review makes no sense. That's all. |
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| Author: | 1of42 [ Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:21 pm ] |
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Hikaru79 wrote: 1of42 wrote: Show me one single place where I made a comment that went any further than commenting on how I think you're overreacting? The fact that you disagree with my opinion does not make it flaming. A flame would be something like "OMFG you're so dumb, Lakehead isn't on there cuz it SUX lol!". Notice I don't say that.
What he's saying is that you said that he said that the Globe gave Lakehead an unfavourable review. His point is that the Globe didn't give Lakehead any review at all, so you accusing him of being sore at the paper for a not-nice review makes no sense. That's all. That's true, I worded my post wrongly. However, the idea is the same. I'm sure he wouldn't be irritated if some small university in Newfoundland got omitted, but because it was the one he happened to go to, he got inflamed about it, which in itself is a bias. However... Hacker Dan wrote: To 1of42: falming is not within the rules of this site.
That doesn't look like him saying that I'm not making sense. That looks like him overreacting to what I'm saying, and implicitly threatening to use the fact that he runs the site to take punitive action against me because I disagree with him. |
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| Author: | Cervantes [ Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:00 pm ] |
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1of42 wrote: I disagree with him.
Indeed, so let's just agree to disagree, shall we? |
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| Author: | Dan [ Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:50 pm ] |
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1of42 wrote: That's true, I worded my post wrongly. However, the idea is the same. I'm sure he wouldn't be irritated if some small university in Newfoundland got omitted, but because it was the one he happened to go to, he got inflamed about it, which in itself is a bias. That is unture, if i knew that the school was left out in souch a way i whould be just as upset with there artical. Also if all schools where in there and lakehead just had a bad review i whould probly perosanl disagra with it but i whould not be upset. I blive strong in having unbaised news sorce and such can be seen on my rants about fox news. The issue here is not unis but jorunalist intorgority. I mean they could have at least responed to the letters i worte to there editors. Quote: That doesn't look like him saying that I'm not making sense. That looks like him overreacting to what I'm saying, and implicitly threatening to use the fact that he runs the site to take punitive action against me because I disagree with him. Under the deftionions of falming i have what you have posted could be taken as flaming and or trolling. This is beacuse you are intentaly trying to start a more emotal/heaed debate by posting a repostes that is a) out right unture or b) invales perosnal aspectes of the poster rather the points about the topic being deabted. It is true this is not a stong case of flaming witch is why no admin actations where taken agsisted you and why i just gave a warning, witch is my job. I did not mean it insustaly i ment it more in a way of trying to stop this topic form becoming a falmin war b/c we are no longer disusing the topic but rather me and that is not right in this kind of debate. Espltaly since only i can know how i feal, you have no way of knowing that so deabting it pointless and can only start a flaim war. I am also insualted that you say i am using the fact that i own the site to infucnece this debate. I have never and never will take actaction aginsted a user for disatraging with me and deabting me. As i have posted serveral times in the past. In fact there is a system in place so this can not happen . Admins and super mods are not alowed to just ban a user if they have been here more then a few days. To do ban a user in good standing requers the vote of the borad of directors and i blive has only been done a few times since most users that stay here for long are not going to break the rules to an exteram point. It is not as easy as you think to moderate a datebe and be in it at the same time with out being basied in ether roll. But i do not blive this means that i can not be part of the discurtions on this site. I allways welcome contructive critizesm on the way i or any of the staff her is functioning but it should be realized that we are not payed for this and we do try to do it for you the users. So in summery plaes do not deabte peoleop on who they are or what they think personaly (as in why they are debating, there blifes not brought up by them self, ect. not the main content of the debate), this in my deftion is falming and/or trolling and you do not have to swear or use leet to flamin some one. |
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