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Ubuntu; free of charge
Author:  btiffin [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:33 am ]
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Just an old guy prod;

Anyone on compsci.ca that doesn't have a GNU/Linux install, you do know that you can get Ubuntu absolutely free?

Mark Shuttleworth has funded Canonical to the point where they will send you a CD completely free of charges. They pay the shipping. https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ Last I looked, you could even request more than one; the idea being you give copies to your friends. Umm, but play nice. If you have a burner; a download of the installer is more cost effective for Canonical, but as a prod ... there is no excuse to not have GNU/Linux running on your PC.

Just so ya know.

Cheers
Author:  Aziz [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:47 am ]
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And then you can try less n00by distros!

I'm actually running ubuntu for a server - takes about 45 minutes to set up with a bunch of good stuff.

I have an Arch CD burnt and ready to go when I have some free time tomorrow.
Author:  btiffin [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:57 am ]
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Right you are. I'm a Debian fan. I found Ubuntu just a little bit too much like a GNU/Linux for kids. But that is personal experience from freenode IRC chats. #debian; you get very technical (and snide) advice. #ubuntu; you get friendlier (and less technical) advice.

Ubuntu is maturing rapidly. It is only 3 and a bit years old, but with a userbase large enough now to cover the gamut of noobieness to old hacks. Smile

Still; as a prod, FREE is pretty cool.

Cheers
Author:  apomb [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:12 pm ]
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I'm old school Ubuntu user already... been using since Warty. back when it still had the stereotypical graphics/wireless/support issues that are inherent in emerging Linux distros.

Like you btiffin, i also am a Debian fan at heart.
Author:  Aziz [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:16 pm ]
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I do love ubuntu for ubuntuforums and the support community.

Arch, for being a bit more complicated, does have good support. ArchWiki was great helping me set it up the first time round, and of course I have my friend and distant cousin Shaun D who knows the answer to anything. (We once out of nowhere asked him "What is love?" and his response was "Baby don't hurt me". See?)

I'm actually pretty excited but I have to wait until tomorrow morning as I need the active intarwebs and my girl friend lives in the boonies with dial-up.
Author:  r691175002 [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:37 pm ]
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btiffin @ Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:33 am wrote:
There is no excuse to not have GNU/Linux running on your PC.

Until, after using it for 6 months, you build a new computer and discover that it wont boot on your new hardware.
Author:  Aziz [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:39 pm ]
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I had an easier time setting up Arch on my laptop then I did windows XP. I took my 2 months to find opengl driver damnit.
Author:  btiffin [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:08 pm ]
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r691175002 @ Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:37 pm wrote:
btiffin @ Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:33 am wrote:
There is no excuse to not have GNU/Linux running on your PC.

Until, after using it for 6 months, you build a new computer and discover that it wont boot on your new hardware.

Yeah; that can kinda suck. But, I trust in your abilities to make things work. Or like we used to say when we discussed usability;

"Put it a box, and shoot the box".

On a more serious note; a lot of the distro's newer live boot CDs are great for verifying things before the paint hits the corner. I do wish you the best of, and will just add; don't give up. GNU/Linux gets better and more robust every day. Though sometimes it takes awhile for things to catch up; sadly sometimes too long. But that is less and less a problem in my not overly experienced experience.

One thing I have been noticing or late; after a fair amount of convergence, the distros are starting to fragment on what works and what doesn't. Which is sad; just as GNU/Linux is getting to a point of "grandma usability" the popularity and "openness" is coming back to bite the OS right where it hurts.

Cheers
Author:  Aziz [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:16 pm ]
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[quote="btiffin @ Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:08 pm"]
r691175002 @ Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:37 pm wrote:
One thing I have been noticing or late; after a fair amount of convergence, the distros are starting to fragment on what works and what doesn't. Which is sad; just as GNU/Linux is getting to a point of "grandma usability" the popularity and "openness" is coming back to bite the OS right where it hurts.


I don't quiet understand what you're saying here. What do you mean by the distros are starting to fragment on what works and what doesn't?
Author:  btiffin [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:29 pm ]
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[quote="Aziz @ Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:16 pm"]
btiffin @ Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:08 pm wrote:
r691175002 @ Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:37 pm wrote:
One thing I have been noticing or late; after a fair amount of convergence, the distros are starting to fragment on what works and what doesn't. Which is sad; just as GNU/Linux is getting to a point of "grandma usability" the popularity and "openness" is coming back to bite the OS right where it hurts.


I don't quiet understand what you're saying here. What do you mean by the distros are starting to fragment on what works and what doesn't?


Some things that used to be taken for granted with POSIX is fragmenting. Versions of libc6 are less and less compatible between distros. Fonts are all over the map instead of converging on a standard. Too many kernel versions are being pumped out. Many distros follow the Linux File System standard mappings, some don't. Etc, etc. Carl Sassenrath (a super smart and very productive developer) is having a tough time keeping REBOL as easily cross platform as with previous years. He's had to modify his build environment with more special cases than he would prefer (as one real world example). Linus may step into the fray and put a stop to it, dunno. I don't know if he has the time or energy to reign in the very active development he has spawned. Both a blessing and a curse.

Cheers
Author:  Aziz [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:32 pm ]
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I see what you mean. Basically, Linux distros are eating more as they grow, and filling their metaphorical diapers with more crap. At least we know it'll grow out of it. Windows has an adult-diaper.

(we really messed those quotes up didn't we)
Author:  btiffin [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:35 pm ]
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Smile
Author:  Epic Tissue [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:46 pm ]
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I actually just installed Ubuntu again on my laptop today. Installation went much better than previous times (Dell laptop).

Unfortunately, this experience wasn't as good. I think I might be too used to the way I have Vista set up and the way I use it. Also the windows crashing/freezing wasn't a highlight. Something that hasn't happened since I used Windows ME.
Author:  Aziz [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:56 pm ]
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My Inspiron 6000 was easy to set up with an distro I put on it. I tried Kubuntu, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, and Fedora 8, and the drivers were all pretty easy to come by (except I had to hunt a bit for 3D drivers for OpenSUSE). PC BSD, now that was a different story (just ask rdrake - he may remember).

I've now got an Asus (F3Ka) and it might be a bit harder to get drivers for. I didn't have too much trouble last time I did it though with Arch, but I didn't go very far with it (almost had GNOME up). It's got a Radeon HD graphics card, which i couldn't get to work properly, but I think there's a 'radeonhd' driver anyways. It has been 6 months, so I wouldn't doubt things have improved.
Author:  rizzix [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:59 pm ]
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btiffin, I recommend you to try ArchLinux. It's not just another distro Wink
Author:  Aziz [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:02 pm ]
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Sad I've been talking about arch for 3 posts already rizzix. You can't come in a pretend you are so 1337!

EDIT: Not only that, but you're link suxxorz. fail. ArchLinux

EDIT2: It appears you found out also, the same minute as me... we need millisecond comparison here. Dan, give my MySQLs.
Author:  Aziz [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:06 pm ]
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This is what I was referring, too. If you're going to try it, it will be handy.
Author:  rizzix [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:09 pm ]
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Wink

btiffin, however use the new RC installer: Archlinux 2008.04-RC
Author:  Dan [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:20 pm ]
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I am a big Gentoo fan witch is why both the compsci.ca server and my laptop run it Wink.
Author:  rizzix [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:21 pm ]
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Gentoo's pretty good and it give you a lot of control. However a lot of archlinux users are ones that switched from Gentoo. Smile
Author:  Aziz [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:24 pm ]
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Wait a minute, rizzix, I got 2008-03. What's the difference? Once I update, won't it be the same? My understanding was that this was how Arch was, but I'm not confident in that. Is it worth it to download and burn the latest RC before I install tomorrow?
Author:  rizzix [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:25 pm ]
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Yes. Once you pacman -Syu you'd have the latest -- the crazy rolling release system.
Author:  Aziz [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:39 pm ]
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I love it.
Author:  Dan [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:48 pm ]
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Versionless operating systems ftw! (Gentoo is the same way)
Author:  Aziz [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:52 pm ]
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I've heard things about Ubuntu having outdated packages? Is this true, and is Arch better in this regard?
Author:  btiffin [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:58 pm ]
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rizzix @ Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:59 pm wrote:
btiffin, I recommend you to try ArchLinux. It's not just another distro Wink

I may just do that. I left a 10GB hole in this boxes HD partition. I have a friendly in the REBOL community that works on Syllable. I was going to plop Syllable Desktop down there; maybe I'll try Arch first. I'll admit; I'm a huge fan of Debian and I try and read up what I can on the other distros (usually distrowatch), but I don't really leave my comfort zone very often when it comes to OS installs. Languages; usually one or two new ones a week. OSes' - not so much. Wink

Cheers
Author:  btiffin [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:19 pm ]
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One thing that warmed my heart today was the response from compsci.ca regarding using GNU/Linux. I really hope this thread piques some interest from those that are stuck in Windows. How can people here ignore praise from someone as esteemed as Hacker Dan.

I'm not going to say "MS eats babies" or any such, but I've been of the opinion that MS stifles more innovation in the overall personal computing arena than they foster, for a long time now. Since the choking of OS/2 with the 4 year "wait for Chicago (Win98)" fiasco.

Oh and umm, MS eats babies. Smile

Cheers
Author:  cavetroll [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:35 pm ]
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What version of linux would you recommend for dual-booting? I am looking to use linux, but I need to use windows at least till school ends because all my notes are in onenote format. I am using a laptop, but it has a fairly big hard drive (140GB).
Author:  rizzix [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:40 pm ]
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For laptops I recommend ubuntu. Since they seem to have bundled excellent support for most wifi cards.
Author:  rizzix [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:41 pm ]
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Aziz @ Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:52 pm wrote:
I've heard things about Ubuntu having outdated packages? Is this true, and is Arch better in this regard?


Arch is quite bleeding edge.
Author:  Aziz [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:46 pm ]
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Good. And btiffin, I was going to say "but MS does eat babies" but I guess you beat me to it. You should hit up the irc channel.

And cavetroll, like rizzix said, ubuntu (or its friend Kubuntu) will work well on a laptop. I've also had good experience with the other "noob" distros, OpenSUSE and Fedora. Just try to do it around a LAN connection rather than relying on Wifi drivers.

One more thing, especially if it's your first time partitioning/dual-booting: backup you datas. If everything goes right, the linux install will install grub and you can choose to resize partitions and dual-boot, but always be safe. I've had enough hair loss from this than is healthy. (At 19, any hair loss is unhealthy I think)
Author:  Reality Check [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:53 pm ]
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I'm a Debian man myself.
Author:  r691175002 [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:25 pm ]
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I tried getting Ubuntu to work for a week or so but there wasn't really much I could do when I stick in the livedisk, tell it to boot up and all the screens go blank.
I will admit that I am somewhat unusual with multiple monitors and such, but seriously, it isn't that weird. I still try again every few releases although I don't get my hopes up.
Interestingly enough, the really old versions of Ubuntu will at least display on one monitor, but they don't detect either of my two video cards so I cant even play with xorg.conf (or install the nvidia drivers).
Author:  btiffin [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:25 pm ]
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Aziz @ Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:52 pm wrote:
I've heard things about Ubuntu having outdated packages? Is this true, and is Arch better in this regard?


As you may have read in this thread; I cannot claim to be an "all distro" expert by any sense of the meaning. But I prefer Debian BECAUSE they use outdated packages. Debian releases are far and few between. Debian started in 1993. Release 1.1 (1.0 was released "by mistake" and doesn't really count) was in 1996; 2.0 in 1998, 3.0 in 2002 and 4.0 in 2007. What this means is that each release is given the "soak time" required to ensure that the /main branch is uber stable (umm, for an all volunteer effort that is). Debian does not release a new version until quite a few people are satisfied that it won't break.

Ubuntu (orginally based on Debian) goes by the "release something fresh every 6 months". Some people like that. Being someone that uses his distro to run servers and a small business, updating everything every 6 months is usually just extra work and risk, risk being the key point; the work is usually fun.

Having said that ... Both Debian (and I'm less up on Ubuntu so I may be lying) have main, testing and development branches. Debian Main doesn't change very often at all. Testing is approved and forms the base for the next Main branch. Development (always code named SID in Debian - the nasty neighbour kid in Toy Story) is the bleeding edge fresh from the oven branch. Usually fairly stable (per package) but there can be dependency problems as the teams don't worry too much about verifying the whole distribution.

I run Debian main for work nodes and Debian testing for home/dev machines. I only go with SID packages when I really want something new that hasn't been given the nod from the testing and security group, or if I feel like helping beta test something for someone (and only at home). I've never felt I could apply the appropriate amount of time to help the kernel teams so I always leave that to the uber hackers and just send thank you notes on #debian IRC every once in awhile.

Sorry for the rambling, but the short answer (afaik) is that Ubuntu is usually up to date every 6 months. Debian is usually up to date every 3 years on average (on the whole ... sub releases and certain packages are elevated to main on a fairly regular basis - daily almost, unless a testing to main freeze has been ordered then there is a dry spell for a good few months).

Just the way I like it. No release before its time. Others prefer the "something new on fixed schedule" style; so many people in fact that Ubuntu is now one of the leading distros and it's only 3 years old.

And as rizzix mentioned about Arch; some distros stay bleeding edge as part of their mandate (though I can't say I know anything about Arch; so maybe they are bleeding edge due to effort and being keen than any particular mandate).

And this whole post could just as easily have been this; check out http://distrowatch.com/ An excellent resource with deets on just about every distro under the sun. Sorry; I'm old and like to ramble. Smile Then for a time, we wore onions on our belts ... yellow onions ... not those fancy white onions you see now a days ...

Cheers
Author:  rizzix [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:27 pm ]
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Arch has Unstable, Testing and a Stable repositories. Arch is bleeding edge and the latest and greatest lies in either the Unstable or Testing repositories. Certain packages are too unstable to be placed in either repositories: like kde4 -- you can think of these as "broken" or "damaging". You won't see kde4 in the official repositories however we do have them in some custom repos. Arch is unique (I think) in this regard, any ordinary individual can spawn his own repository and anyone can subscribe to it.

Generally however, most packages manage to make their way quickly to the stable repositories -- after a fair deal of testing. Arch certainly does not sacrifice stability for the sake of its bleeding edge title, but usually it tends to be more bleeding edge than more conservative distros like Debian.

What Arch lacks is a security auditing team.
Author:  rdrake [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:04 pm ]
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Another generic bit of praise for Ubuntu here. I've used every release of it, it just keeps getting better. Slower, but better.

It's actually a requirement for computer science at my university.
Author:  apomb [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:11 pm ]
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rizzix @ Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:41 pm wrote:
Aziz @ Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:52 pm wrote:
I've heard things about Ubuntu having outdated packages? Is this true, and is Arch better in this regard?


Arch is quite bleeding edge.


I'll take stability over bleeding edge for most things any day.

I remember when compiz and ruby were bleeding edge, and they were shaky to say the least. even though they weren't core parts of the OS, they still left some damage. So I've learned my lesson there.
Author:  Aziz [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:14 pm ]
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We did have to install Ubuntu in SysConfig I and learn vim and chmod, but that's all, and it was hell easy.

I want my operating system to be up to date. I only use it personally, but I can understand the need for stability in a work environment.

By the way, KDE4 still isn't released yet?
Author:  apomb [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:15 pm ]
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Not officially, we were talking about this in the channel last night I believe.

Its out of testing as far as KDE is concerned, but no one in theuir right mind would use it in a production system.
Author:  Aziz [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:17 pm ]
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Is it supposed to be that bad ass that it's been cooking up for over a year? Or is it just a fancier 3.5?
Author:  apomb [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:20 pm ]
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Apparently it blows harder than 3.5. both in stability and in useability... I hear they eschewed Konquerer from being the file system to simply being the web browser, and did some other crazy things that make it a shitty Vista/OSX hybrid looking thing.
Author:  rizzix [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:25 pm ]
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apomb @ Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:11 pm wrote:
rizzix @ Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:41 pm wrote:
Aziz @ Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:52 pm wrote:
I've heard things about Ubuntu having outdated packages? Is this true, and is Arch better in this regard?


Arch is quite bleeding edge.


I'll take stability over bleeding edge for most things any day.

I remember when compiz and ruby were bleeding edge, and they were shaky to say the least. even though they weren't core parts of the OS, they still left some damage. So I've learned my lesson there.


Arch is stable as well. Razz
Author:  apomb [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:30 pm ]
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rizzix @ Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:25 pm wrote:
apomb @ Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:11 pm wrote:
rizzix @ Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:41 pm wrote:
Aziz @ Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:52 pm wrote:
I've heard things about Ubuntu having outdated packages? Is this true, and is Arch better in this regard?


Arch is quite bleeding edge.


I'll take stability over bleeding edge for most things any day.

I remember when compiz and ruby were bleeding edge, and they were shaky to say the least. even though they weren't core parts of the OS, they still left some damage. So I've learned my lesson there.


Arch is stable as well. Razz


hypocrite Razz
Author:  rizzix [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:32 pm ]
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It really is Smile
Author:  Aziz [ Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:34 pm ]
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I will let you know tomorrow Smile
Author:  Epic Tissue [ Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:18 am ]
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Epic Tissue @ Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:46 pm wrote:
I actually just installed Ubuntu again on my laptop today. Installation went much better than previous times (Dell laptop).

Unfortunately, this experience wasn't as good. I think I might be too used to the way I have Vista set up and the way I use it. Also the windows crashing/freezing wasn't a highlight. Something that hasn't happened since I used Windows ME.


bah I take it back! Foolish me didn't have my graphics card driver enabled.
Author:  btiffin [ Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:18 pm ]
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Good to hear Epic Tissue. It is one thing about GNU/Linux, very little hand holding and it still requires the odd nudge here and there.

Cheers
Author:  Aziz [ Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:48 pm ]
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Arch requires you to fall off a damn cliff Neutral
Author:  Epic Tissue [ Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:02 pm ]
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Hmm laptop is getting very hot. I had a program which monitored the fan speed but can't remember the name of it. Any ideas?
Author:  btiffin [ Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:49 pm ]
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lm-sensors ?
Author:  rizzix [ Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:23 pm ]
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Aziz @ Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:48 pm wrote:
Arch requires you to fall off a damn cliff Neutral
What's wrong?
Author:  apomb [ Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:32 pm ]
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/27373994@N02/2554310312/sizes/o/

apparently this person wasnt too happy with Ubuntu Laughing
Author:  Aziz [ Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:03 pm ]
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rizzix @ Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:23 pm wrote:
Aziz @ Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:48 pm wrote:
Arch requires you to fall off a damn cliff Neutral
What's wrong?


Just trying to make a lame joke about needing to find a nudge. Arch does NOT hold your hand at all. It actually makes you really understand things a lot more, though. And the ArchWiki is REALLY helpful and does guide you quite a bit. Arch is becoming my favourite distro.
Author:  Clayton [ Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:04 pm ]
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That is a joke right?
Author:  tenniscrazy [ Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:06 pm ]
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Quote:
this was one of the worst games i have even purchased


Laughing wow this guy is confused
Author:  Aziz [ Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:24 pm ]
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Reminds me of a quote my friend always used to tell me. He tried calling Gateway to try and get help booting linux on his laptop. The guy aparantly was very confused: "So, tell me again, your linus hates your hard drive?"
Author:  coreyxjessica [ Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:29 am ]
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Aziz @ Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:48 pm wrote:
Arch requires you to fall off a damn cliff Neutral

Try a gentoo minimal install and arch will feel like an automated install.
Author:  chrisbrown [ Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:32 pm ]
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Can anyone point me to a good linux tutorial? I'd like to learn how to compile sources and use the shell to it's full potential. I've used (K)(X)Ubuntu Gutsy&Hardy, so I haven't had -or learned how - to compile anything. I've dabbled in bash scripting but nothing of any real use.
Thx
Author:  Aziz [ Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:38 pm ]
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Google would work well here. Someone else might now some more specific sources here, though. Just look for "Linux tutorials" or add "advanced" or "shell scripting".
Author:  btiffin [ Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:30 pm ]
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I like these pages ...

For shell
http://www.arachnoid.com/linux/shell_programming.html

For programming (kinda - not really)
http://www.arachnoid.com/cpptutor/index.html (these are wayyy too thin these pages)

To see a picture of John von Neumann (and Linus and Bill and some ra ra Linux ra, boo hiss mickey)
http://www.arachnoid.com/linux/index.html

For Ruby and irb
http://www.arachnoid.com/ruby/index.html

Anyway; poke around arachnoid ... it may be a personal preference, but for introductory technical writing, on screen, they do a nice job. And yes you can double-click on any word and get the def, like the banner line says. Sadly I'm not really answering your post. You'll want more info on gcc, make, awk, ctags, cxref and all those hundreds of nice toys.

Cheers
Author:  andrew. [ Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:46 pm ]
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I like Ubuntu, and after using it for this long, I've gotten bored. I am currently trying Kubuntu and Xubuntu. I may even try Damn Small Linux or PuppyDog Linux.
Author:  michaelp [ Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:59 am ]
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I have a computer where I am dual-booting Puppy Linux 3.01 with XP. Seems pretty good, although I'm not much of Linux person. Just wanted to try it out.
Author:  Aziz [ Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:14 am ]
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Try something more complicated like Arch Linux.
Author:  rizzix [ Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:39 pm ]
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You mean Simple. :p
Author:  Aziz [ Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:30 pm ]
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Ah, yes, my bad. I mean Simple. By no means easy though Razz. Actually, once you understand what you need to do, it's not that bad.
Author:  rizzix [ Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:52 pm ]
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2008.06 "Overlord" is no longer RC.

BTW, there's a new Canadian pacman mirror: mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (by the UW CS club)
Author:  Aziz [ Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:07 pm ]
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Oh nice, I should update my pacman.conf when I get home.

I'm running arch as my server as well and its running good so far. At least, i haven't installed anything but ssh.

Remember (not directed at rizzix), arch has a rolling release model, so as long as you update/upgrade (pacman -Syu) you'll have everything up to date, same as 2008.06.
Author:  rizzix [ Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:50 pm ]
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Aziz @ Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:30 pm wrote:
By no means easy though Razz.
Reading this again, it reminded me of this: post
Author:  Aziz [ Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:21 am ]
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Oh wow. My girlfriend constantly blames me for running Linux Sad
Author:  DemonWasp [ Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:10 am ]
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My girlfriend runs a Mac, and is thinking her next computer is going to be a DIY Linux box. Nerdy girlfriends are awesome.
Author:  Aziz [ Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:30 am ]
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My girlfriend plays Sims and calls me a noob. That's about as nerdy as she gets.

Actually, there's a lot of other nerdy things about her, but I shall not go into them here Razz
Author:  coreyxjessica [ Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:06 pm ]
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DemonWasp @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:10 am wrote:
My girlfriend runs a Mac, and is thinking her next computer is going to be a DIY Linux box. Nerdy girlfriends are awesome.

My girlfriend wants me and her to put together a Linux box and she wants us to put together a DIY arcade cabinet. I love my nerdy girlfriend.
Author:  Aziz [ Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:29 pm ]
Post subject:  RE:Ubuntu; free of charge
Ask her if the next project you can work on is an integrated dual-host genetic reproduction system. See if that gets you laid Wink
Author:  apomb [ Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:35 am ]
Post subject:  RE:Ubuntu; free of charge
I'm guessing she'd be into that if theres a latex firewall between the output and input ports though Wink
Author:  Aziz [ Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:05 pm ]
Post subject:  RE:Ubuntu; free of charge
Usually that's the responsibility of the sending client, even though the receiving server is at risk. It's a bad security policy IMO
Author:  jernst [ Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RE:Ubuntu; free of charge
Aziz @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:30 am wrote:
My girlfriend plays Sims and calls me a noob. That's about as nerdy as she gets.

lol

i have a friend whos girlfriend yelled "humiliation" when a guy got knifed in a movie at the theater because she plays counter strike alot
Author:  changturkey [ Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RE:Ubuntu; free of charge
jernst @ Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:09 pm wrote:
Aziz @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:30 am wrote:
My girlfriend plays Sims and calls me a noob. That's about as nerdy as she gets.

lol

i have a friend whos girlfriend yelled "humiliation" when a guy got knifed in a movie at the theater because she plays counter strike alot

Wow, I have yet to meet a girl that plays CS.
Author:  Aziz [ Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:42 pm ]
Post subject:  RE:Ubuntu; free of charge
We knew one last year in college. We called her CS girl, but she really was bad at it lol.
Author:  changturkey [ Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RE:Ubuntu; free of charge
Aziz @ Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:42 pm wrote:
We knew one last year in college. We called her CS girl, but she really was bad at it lol.

I am not too great at it, more of a COD4, Halo, RTS guy.
Author:  Aziz [ Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:34 pm ]
Post subject:  RE:Ubuntu; free of charge
Meaning, you have no micro ;P
Author:  [Gandalf] [ Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ubuntu; free of charge
How the hell did this get from a "free" Ubuntu to changturkey's micro skills, with various topics of interest in between? Laughing

All these General Discussion topics slowly moving to Off Topic, guess that's a sure sign that summer is here...
Author:  changturkey [ Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ubuntu; free of charge
[quote="[Gandalf] @ Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:27 am"]How the hell did this get from a "free" Ubuntu to changturkey's micro skills, with various topics of interest in between? Laughing

All these General Discussion topics slowly moving to Off Topic, guess that's a sure sign that summer is here...[/quote]

I am using Ubuntu right now actually, 8.04.1, also, 8.10 Alpha 2 is out.
Author:  Clayton [ Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ubuntu; free of charge
Gonforf @ Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:27 am wrote:
How the hell did this get from a "free" Ubuntu to changturkey's micro skills, with various topics of interest in between? Laughing

All these General Discussion topics slowly moving to Off Topic, guess that's a sure sign that summer is here...


Agreed. Moved.
Author:  Aziz [ Sun Jul 13, 2008 3:57 pm ]
Post subject:  RE:Ubuntu; free of charge
You should've split the topic rather than moving the whole thing. Only the last page or so is OT.

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