Computer Science Canada Waterloo University |
| Author: | cool dude [ Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Waterloo University |
hi i'm thinking of applying to waterloo next year but i dunno if i can afford living there and all the expenses involved. i heard about co-op programs there that help u pay for all your expenses. so i was just wondering how co-op works at waterloo university. here's some questions 1)do u have to compete or its just applying? 2)do u apply or the university puts u in a place? 3)can it be in ontario or most likely it will be in another province or country. i.e. martin in japan 4)does co-op take place during one year of study or how does it work? 5)do u have to have co-op 6)is it easy to get a job with co-op 7)is residence and living at waterloo expensive? 8)do u make friends easy at waterloo or r they all asians who make friends with only asians (nothing racist just a question) 9)does it have a software engineering program and wat is the minimum average to get in? ***answer any questions u can or want please*** |
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| Author: | md [ Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:47 pm ] |
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First, just a note: "u" != "you". Please for the love of god use real words, and maybe some capitalization. cool dude wrote: 1)do u have to compete or its just applying?
From this I gather that you are asking if you can apply directly to coop of it you need to compete to get in. You can apply directly; or if you apply to the regular stream you can apply for coop after your first year. Getting into coop through anything other then applying directly is rather difficult though. cool dude wrote: 2)do u apply or the university puts u in a place? See #1. I think.
cool dude wrote: 3)can it be in ontario or most likely it will be in another province or country. i.e. martin in japan Jobs are all over the place. Some in Ontario, some in other provinces, even some in other countries. You get to choose which ones you apply to though, so if you don't want to work outside of Ontario then you don't have to apply for jobs that aren't in Ontario.
cool dude wrote: 4)does co-op take place during one year of study or how does it work? Coop is part of your regular yearly schedual. Depending on what stream you're in the first year is different but it ends up becoming one semester on campus, followed by a semester working, followed by a semester on campus, etc.
cool dude wrote: 5)do u have to have co-op You can apply to most if not all coop programs as a regular student.
cool dude wrote: 6)is it easy to get a job with co-op Depends. If you have good marks, are enthusiastic and interview well then you should have no problem. If you have bad marks, and suck at interviews then you'll probably have problems. It's just like applying fora job in the real world.
cool dude wrote: 7)is residence and living at waterloo expensive? Residence can be more expensive then living off campus. However that being said first year you want to meet people and there is no better place to do that then residence. Living expenses for both living in residence and living off campus are about what you would expect to find in any university town.
cool dude wrote: 8)do u make friends easy at waterloo or r they all asians who make friends with only asians (nothing racist just a question) Depends on the people really. Do you make friends easily where you are now? If so then you'll make friends easy at UW; if not hten you might have a hard time meeting new people. If you open youself up to meeting new people and doing new things then you'll almost certainly meet new friends easily here.
cool dude wrote: 9)does it have a software engineering program and wat is the minimum average to get in? Yes, and you'd have to check the UW website. I'd assume it's pretty high though. |
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| Author: | cool dude [ Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:06 pm ] |
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thanks cornflake  i should have checked the website it had a lot of information!!!
u = "you" --- ya i'm just lazy. i'm not that terrible at english (lol). just wondering if i have all 90+ marks and i just get terrible at english will Waterloo look at that so heavily? |
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| Author: | Martin [ Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:07 pm ] |
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cool dude wrote: 3)can it be in ontario or most likely it will be in another province or country. i.e. martin in japan
My job in Japan was very lucky. Most jobs are in Ontario, then some more in other provinces, then a few in the US and even fewer over seas. Most people go through the system without ever leaving Ontario, let alone Canada. cool dude wrote: 4)does co-op take place during one year of study or how does it work?
Depending on your stream, it'll look something like this: 4 months school, 4 months work, 4 months school, etc. You don't get summers off. cool dude wrote: 5)do u have to have co-op
To get a co-op degree, yes. To get a normal degree, no. Waterloo offers both (the academic side of both is the same). cool dude wrote: 6)is it easy to get a job with co-op
It's easy to get a job, but whether you get a good job depends on how ambitious you are. Marks don't really matter for getting jobs unless your average is really low (under 65) or really high (over 95). cool dude wrote: 7)is residence and living at waterloo expensive?
Yes. Residence is a huge ripoff. It's something nuts like $600/month and not tax deductable. You meet lots of people though. cool dude wrote: 8)do u make friends easy at waterloo or r they all asians who make friends with only asians (nothing racist just a question)
Yes. Every single person who goes to waterloo is a xenophobic Asian... |
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| Author: | Andy [ Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:18 pm ] |
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most of my firends are brown... the asians are too fob here. if you come to waterloo, definitely do co op, other wise, you're wasting your time. If u manage your money wisely, osap + co op is enough to get you through university without any problems |
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| Author: | Dan [ Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:47 pm ] |
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As a LUSU director i have to try to promot my uni  :
Think about other unis, Lakehead is a gr8 uni and we have one of the best student unions. We have gr8 residences witch are not 10 sotrys high and have a much greater censes of comunity. Also we do not have the chisrtion cursade for chirst runing around on there cursades. Bacilky no matter where u go in ontaro for your undergrand it will be the same so why not go to a uni the has a gr8 comunity as well as educatal value? We are working on the wifi hostants =p Now as a compsci student i have to say this: Don't be a softy (software engerner), be a real man an stopy playing in the midde of enering and comps. Become a CompSci magor and aucatly do somthing usefull =p. Note: please don't get made at me u of w is fine in all if u are in to that sort of thing i am just trying to give peoleop choices. And thos "gr8"s are for u cornflake. |
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| Author: | Martin [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:17 am ] |
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Also, at Lakehead you do NOT have to worry about all of those pesky wireless hotspots that dot every other Canadian university's campus. Have you ever found yourself hopelessly stressed out by the tough choice of whether to use a wired or wireless connection? Lakehead is the place to be - no wireless internet on campus! |
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| Author: | md [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:25 am ] |
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Don't forget the bears... LU has the advantage that when you get shockingly drunk and go out streaking you never know if you'll make it back with all your buddies... |
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| Author: | Dan [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:53 am ] |
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Keeps the out door rec popualtion down  |
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| Author: | Andy [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:32 pm ] |
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http://cgi.ebay.com/authentic-engineer-engineering-engineers-IRON-RING_W0QQitemZ5079228767QQcategoryZ67728QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem this is the reason you should go to udub |
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| Author: | Dan [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:37 pm ] |
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Do software engeriners even get the ring? I know some places do not consider them real enginers. |
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| Author: | bugzpodder [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:14 pm ] |
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1)do u have to compete or its just applying? limited enrollment 2)do u apply or the university puts u in a place? apply 3)can it be in ontario or most likely it will be in another province or country. i.e. martin in japan mostly in ontario 4)does co-op take place during one year of study or how does it work? study, work, study, work, etc 4-stream. 8-stream starts with 2 study terms 5)do u have to have co-op no 6)is it easy to get a job with co-op depends on what kind of jobs. Google jobs are probably hardest to come by. Data entry jobs are probably the ones that nobody wants 7)is residence and living at waterloo expensive? 4k per term 8)do u make friends easy at waterloo or r they all asians who make friends with only asians (nothing racist just a question) most chinese hang out with only chinese 9)does it have a software engineering program and wat is the minimum average to get in? yes, 85% |
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| Author: | Andy [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:28 pm ] |
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yeah dan they do |
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| Author: | cool dude [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:43 pm ] |
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Hacker Dan wrote: Do software engeriners even get the ring? I know some places do not consider them real enginers.
wat do u mean the ring? oh and can u explain actual things such as projects and work u do in compsci and engineering because i like both so thats why i'm thinking of software engineering but if u say compsci is better can u tell me a bit about the prog. also wat do u mean by gr8 at lakeside? @ bugzpodder: u say residence and tuition and books cost altogether 4k? |
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| Author: | Andy [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:10 pm ] |
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no he meant tuition it self costs 4k.. rez you have to add on top, and food, and books, and other misc fees. umm i'd advise you to not go into software engineering, it's alot of documentation and project planning... and half of the people there cant program, im serious. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:00 pm ] |
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Tution is going up by at least 5% next year, more likey in the 15% range. Thanks to our lovely goverment unfrezzing tution rates. I whould not whont to be a student at one of the few unis in ontraio that thinks they can carge more money b/c they have a rep in C.S.  |
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| Author: | 1of42 [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:50 pm ] |
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Man, I've said this before, but damn Dan, you're like a walking Lakehead billboard. I do take issue with your statement that no matter where in Ontario you go, the experience will be the same. That frankly sounds just a tad bit misinformed - plus, the added reputational benefits of a Waterloo diploma, whether the experience is way better or not, merits it being at the top of any list. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:55 pm ] |
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dan, every other yrt bus has a poster advertising for lhu... i wonder why? |
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| Author: | Martin [ Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:26 am ] |
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One of Lakehead's problems is that nobody knows about it, so they're trying to get exposure. Reputation is very important. Even if the education is the same, most employers will still go with the school with the better reputation. All other factors equal, the Waterloo student will get the job over the Lakehead student. Interviewers might not even take interviews with fresh Lakehead graduates simply because it's a risk. That's not to say that Lakehead is a bad school, but rather that Waterloo has the advantage of having proven itself to be a good one. |
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| Author: | md [ Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:46 am ] |
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@living expenses: tuition for CS is between $3600 and $4000 (perhaps a bit more). Residence is another $2000-$3000 a semster; and depending on where your living food on top of that. Books can be between $200, and $1000 a semester depending on courses, what you buy and if you buy. In all it works out to a lot of money. |
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| Author: | Martin [ Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:00 am ] |
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http://www.findoutmore.uwaterloo.ca/financing/expenses.htm |
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| Author: | Dan [ Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:37 pm ] |
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1of42 wrote: I do take issue with your statement that no matter where in Ontario you go, the experience will be the same. That frankly sounds just a tad bit misinformed - plus, the added reputational benefits of a Waterloo diploma, whether the experience is way better or not, merits it being at the top of any list. What benefits of a waterloo diploma? This may be ture for gradute school but for undergrand no one realy cares about the where as much as the expircen. No invterviewer in there right mind whould higher some one based on what school they whent to rather then what excpricne they had. Quote: dan, every other yrt bus has a poster advertising for lhu... i wonder why? And u of w runs adds here and in othere places.....i wonder why? In fact u of t aucatly sends poeleop to give lectors here to try to convie peoleop to go to there uni for grad school. Quote: One of Lakehead's problems is that nobody knows about it, so they're trying to get exposure. And other then for the wifi thing they are doing a good job. We now have one of the most high tect lerarning phsictictys in north amraicak and the northern medical school. Making us one of only 2 unis in ontraio with a full medical school. Quote: Reputation is very important. Even if the education is the same, most employers will still go with the school with the better reputation. All other factors equal, the Waterloo student will get the job over the Lakehead student. Interviewers might not even take interviews with fresh Lakehead graduates simply because it's a risk. Once again i think you are very wrong when it comes to undergrad. They are not going to take a pile of resumes and just throw out the lakehead ones. They are going to be looking for expricen and the ablity of the indviadual student. A grat example of this is RIM. RIM is almost psycialy loaced on the u of w campus and has many dealings with u of w obvesly. So one whould think that such a place whould hire all u of w students for co-op, right? Wrong, almost every lakehead co-op student who applys with RIM (who atucalty has gr8 realtions with lakehead) gets a offer some where with in RIM. Now why is this? Well in the most simple reasons it is b/c 1. lakehead dose not have a bad reputation with employers in reality and aucatly is know as "the futtuer of the north" and for it's qaulity over quanity. 2. employers that aucatly resrach unis will find that the qaulity of lakehead education is exteramly good due to low class sizes. Well there may be several 100 poeleop enroaled in the CS progam at waterloo, lakehead has about 20~10 per year. This however dose not mean that they do no hire good profs or have good labs. In fact we have some of the best labs thanks to sun microw systems and the ATAC bulding. Also geting back to the topic of excprince witch matters inftenaly more times then where u whent for your undergrad. What will happen is the enmplyer will wead out thos with out real excperince and give interviews to thous that do. Now what will decied who gets the job is aucatly the invterview not the uni. It will be how you come off during this invetview witch will set you aprt form the rest not what uni you whent to. Quote: That's not to say that Lakehead is a bad school, but rather that Waterloo has the advantage of having proven itself to be a good one. I whould say that you are right in u of w using it's rep, hostly i think if it did not have it they would be in a lot of truoble. I think they are slowly lossing quality every year as they try to deal with increasing class and student numbers well keeping there costs down. And one thing about puting all this value in the rep of your school is that it will chage. Lakeheads invesnt ment in new progames, buldings and even campus will likey get its repuation up and u never know what can happen. Hostly i tihnk that it will be 1000s of times more import to pick a uni based on the qaulity of living there and the everment then the repuation. If you think there repuation is going to get you job over real life excperince you are sadly mistaken.[/quote] |
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| Author: | Dan [ Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:43 pm ] |
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Sorry for the double post but this is a difrent rant: In case any one did not know tution frezzes stop today. That maeans uni can now prity much charge what they whont. Witch sucks for all students. To given some numbers to this rummers are that U of W's tution (not books or rez) for compsci will jump to $10,000/year. And some more spesilzed progames will jump even higer. It's a shame u of w dose not have a real/functional student union to fight that..... |
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| Author: | bugzpodder [ Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:49 pm ] |
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lol Dan you are wrong. A CS single term at waterloo was 3.2k. The tuition increase is only about 5% for undergrads (you cannot increase tuition beyond 8%, and thats only for specialized program like medicine, law, etc). So tuition now comes to about 3400 per term. Thats still much less than my scholarships
oh btw, textbooks are optional, so it seems. Even if they claim to be madatory. They are rarely used in class. Besides you can just sell it off after you are done, so text books shouldnt even be considered into tuition costs. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:22 pm ] |
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Acuatly it is 5% per year not just a one time 5%. And graduate and professional can go up by 8% a year. To my understand it is u of w's plan to get it to 10,000 per year threw increases per year. Also regualr compsci at u of w is realy $4307.03 when u aucatly add in the corse fees that should be incuded in the tutiton. And co-op is $4778.85. 5% is $240 per year for co-op. And that is compound. So if we assume the progame is 4 years long the last years tution will be in the $5500 to $6000 range. Now this may not effect the peoleop all ready in the progame as much as ones starting but do u know what it will do to grad school? graduate is going up by 8% per year. By the time some one that is starting now gets there they are going to be seeing masive fees. Edit Just a note, thess last 2 posts are sposted to be more of an anit-tution increases rant then a anti-u of w one so do not take it that way (like some are). This problem is for all uni studtnes in ontraio. Right now on avg we pay $10,000 per year incuding everything, food, housing, cable, tution, net contection, books and so on. In a few years of this increas we will be seeing costs jump and hostly i do not whont to see that no matter how much it is. I know there are alot of constive peoleop on this site that blive that most peoleop do not seem to desiver education if they are not ritch or have schoalrships, but i think difrent and i blive that education should be open and accessable to any one. |
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| Author: | bugzpodder [ Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:42 pm ] |
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we pay at most 1000 to 2000 extra till we graduate than if the tuition freeze didnt stop. This isnt much by all means. |
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| Author: | cool dude [ Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:10 pm ] |
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bugzpodder wrote: we pay at most 1000 to 2000 extra till we graduate than if the tuition freeze didnt stop. This isnt much by all means.
it actually is a lot b/c by the time u will be graduating u will prolly be in big debt. anyways umm i hear that i shouldn't go into software engineering but i don't really understand why. Haker Dan said to go into CompSci, i like it but i also like engineering so can someone explain to me the kinda things and jobs u will be doing and why not go into software engineering? |
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| Author: | Andy [ Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:36 pm ] |
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no he wont.. he's on a crazy scholarship, and is going to be working for MS |
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| Author: | Dan [ Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:43 pm ] |
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In my option you should ether go in to engering or compsci. Here is u of w's deftion of them: Quote: Software engineering deals with building and maintaining software systems, with a focus on the activities and issues that arise in developing a software product. Software engineering is one of many disciplines in the field of computing. I have talked to software engeriners that don't even know what they do. From my understanding they are suposted to be the link betwen the consumer and the progamers (or so some of them have toald me) tho that makes me think they do nothing. More from u of w: Quote: Software engineering applies both computer science and engineering philosophy, principles, and practices to the design and development of software systems. It is a disciplined approach to software development that includes negotiating and documenting the software's requirements, following fundamental design principles, analyzing design alternatives, and evaluating whether the final product meets its requirements. Such evaluation not only checks that a product functions correctly, but also determines that it is safe, reliable, maintainable, and economical to produce and to operate. A software engineer's work is not entirely technical. Software engineering projects tend to involve large numbers of people. So software engineers must be able to work well in teams. They may also have to interact with specialists from other disciplines, who may have varied levels of software expertise. This work calls for strong communication, business, and reasoning skills. Why i say not to go in to this is that althougth software engeriners are jumping up and down to state that they apreantly get more money on average (witch is not ture if u look at the data corectly) the depmand for them is not as big as some places whould have you blive. Also i think that software enginer prity much = progaming corses at colleage + some engering. As another quoate form u of w tells us they are more applyed. Quote: # Computer Engineering (CE) deals with designing, developing, and operating computer systems. At its core, Computer Engineering concentrates on digital hardware devices and computers, and the software that controls them. Advanced courses focus on standard designs and techniques for specific application domains. In contrast to CS and SE, Computer Engineering emphasizes solving problems in digital hardware and at the hardware-software interface. # Computer Science (CS) focuses on understanding, designing, and developing programs and computers. At its core, Computer Science concentrates on data, data transformation, and algorithms. Advanced courses present specialized programming techniques and specific application domains. The CS program is less structured than the CE and SE programs, giving students more flexibility to build depth or breadth in a variety of application domains or in the fundamentals of Computer Science. # Software Engineering (SE) deals with building and maintaining software systems. It is more software-oriented and has a greater emphasis on large software applications than Computer Engineering. It is more applied than Computer Science, placing greater emphasis on the entire software development process, from idea to final product. It is also more disciplined than Computer Science, applying more systematic practices to help ensure that products are reliable and safe. As i see it CompSci will get you anywhere you whont to go progaming wise, be it making games, making applications, os, reseraching, ect. But Software engering will tie you down more to the application side. P.S. of corse i am bisest, i am in CompSci and CompSci students histrocaly have a reivarly agisted Software Engering ones. |
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| Author: | cool dude [ Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:16 am ] |
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thanks for the explanation hacker dan. your very persuading for me to go into compsci and i think u might have changed my mind or just confused me a bit more lol. anyhow does anyone know if residence at waterloo is fully equipped i.e. bed, table, refrigiator? |
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| Author: | md [ Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:56 am ] |
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Residence is fully equipped yes. Not all the residences are apartment style though; so if that's what your looking for you should be sure to choose the right ones. |
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| Author: | bugzpodder [ Sun Mar 12, 2006 4:53 pm ] |
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residences costs twice as much as you would have renting a place on your own. keep that in mind if you are not rich. |
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| Author: | Martin [ Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:00 pm ] |
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bugzpodder wrote: residences costs twice as much as you would have renting a place on your own. keep that in mind if you are not rich.
And not tax deductible. Honestly, res is a huge rip-off. You can have way more fun if you find a house, because nobody's going to be bitching at you for making too much noise on a Friday night. |
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| Author: | Brightguy [ Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Waterloo University |
Andy wrote: if you come to waterloo, definitely do co op, other wise, you're wasting your time.
Uh, I'm going to need to some explanation on that please. (No particular reason...) Hacker Dan wrote: Think about other unis, Lakehead is a gr8 uni and we have one of the best student unions. We have gr8 residences witch are not 10 sotrys high and have a much greater censes of comunity. Also we do not have the chisrtion cursade for chirst runing around on there cursades.
Can you really say that objectively, though? Have there been studies done on the "sense of community" in residences? And your point about UW having a Christian club... you were joking, right? |
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| Author: | Tony [ Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Waterloo University |
Brightguy wrote: Andy wrote: if you come to waterloo, definitely do co op, other wise, you're wasting your time.
Uh, I'm going to need to some explanation on that please. (No particular reason...) It simply defines the Waterloo experience. Brightguy wrote: And your point about UW having a Christian club... you were joking, right? Actually he's not. Campus Crusade for Christ. Since they've updated their website, I'm unable to find the list of all the Universities, but they have clubs in quite a few. We also have a Campus Crusade for Cheese. |
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| Author: | Brightguy [ Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:08 am ] |
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Tony wrote: It simply defines the Waterloo experience.
Theoretically speaking, if one wasn't in co-op, just how much of a "waste of time" is it? Tony wrote: Actually he's not. Campus Crusade for Christ. Since they've updated their website, I'm unable to find the list of all the Universities, but they have clubs in quite a few.
We also have a Campus Crusade for Cheese. Heh, yeah I've heard about both clubs... but he listed that as a reason why Lakehead was better, and you really shouldn't let it influence your university choice. |
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| Author: | Martin [ Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:48 am ] |
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The Campus Crusade for Christ people are weird, but you don't have to deal with them. They might be in the student hall giving away Bibles sometimes, though. |
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| Author: | Brightguy [ Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:46 am ] |
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hmm, I'm also uncomfortable labelling the group 'weird' unless it's in a joking context. Basically, I think when dealing with religion we should go out of the way to have religious tolerance. |
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| Author: | Martin [ Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:17 am ] |
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They're just really aggressive in recruiting, doing stuff like putting sidewalk chalk all around campus or handing people Bibles (like actually going up to people and giving them a Bible). They did that to me once, so I said "oh yeah, I'll get that for ya" and threw it in the garbage. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:08 am ] |
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Brightguy wrote: Can you really say that objectively, though? Have there been studies done on the "sense of community" in residences? Yes, and i ment in the hole uni not just residence. Quote: Heh, yeah I've heard about both clubs... but he listed that as a reason why Lakehead was better, and you really shouldn't let it influence your university choice. I whon't go to a uni that dose not respect my relgouses rights. The CCC gose so far that they could be sued and prsuceted under serveral laws as wells as the univsrity constions. If U of W had a funcational studtion union or "feaderation" such problems whould be dealt with imteatly. At LU we get upset over the engeries puting sligthy sexist coments in there own newspapers never mind clubs runign around pastering it on walls, ect. Edit: Also i did not mean what u where quoting as LU is better then U of W but in that it is difrent and they are both good but one could be better for difrent peoleop/reasons. Overall, as i side b4 most unis in ortaion are about equal overall. |
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| Author: | cool dude [ Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:13 am ] |
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does anyone know if york university is good for compsci. its close to my house so i wouldn't have to pay for residence, but i'm not sure if its good for computer programs. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:40 pm ] |
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Well the best way to start checking in to that is to see if they have a real compsci progame. By real i mean that you can go in to a progame called "computer sciences" as soon as you go there and you do not have to take a year of general sci 1st. Next i whould check to see if they have profs with phds in computer science. And if they have a computer science deparment/school. Also check to make shure that the degrea you get from doing there computer science progame is a BSc (or a math one, tho i think most maths are a BSc) and not an arts one (i have seen some unis with a arts compsci degrea as crazy as that is). If they have the above and are an offical uni then i whould say that they whould be fine and that u should next check in to there psyhcitices (comp labs, ect) and the more social services they provied (studion union, learning assitecen center, ect). |
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| Author: | Brightguy [ Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Waterloo University |
Martin wrote: They're just really aggressive in recruiting, doing stuff like putting sidewalk chalk all around campus or handing people Bibles (like actually going up to people and giving them a Bible). They did that to me once, so I said "oh yeah, I'll get that for ya" and threw it in the garbage.
Okay, I have to admit, if I saw that happen I would probably laugh, because it would seem so unexpected to me. But really, doing that is not productive - at best they would just ignore you and at worst it's promoting unnecssary hate. Hacker Dan wrote: Yes, and i ment in the hole uni not just residence.
I'm curious why you are so sure of this... Hacker Dan wrote: I whon't go to a uni that dose not respect my relgouses rights. The CCC gose so far that they could be sued and prsuceted under serveral laws as wells as the univsrity constions.
I don't know everything the CCC has done, but I have to say I haven't found them a problem. Ok, so the sidewalk chalk thing from last year wasn't the best idea, but I wouldn't change universities because of it. Last year I was walking into the SLC and some guy goes "want free stuff?", so I say ok and take a package. It had a bible, some pamphlets, a DVD and some other book. (I'll get around to reading it sometime...) This year I saw a poster about a presentation called "Faith and the Intellect", which intrigued me, but I had class at the same time so I couldn't go. I did make the Q&A session and from what I gathered he was using some form of a First Cause argument. They had the same book there from last year, as well as the same DVD I think. Anyway, afterward it struck me that having presentations like this, where no one is pressured to go, is the perfect way to get their point across. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:31 pm ] |
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Brightguy wrote: Hacker Dan wrote: Yes, and i ment in the hole uni not just residence.
I'm curious why you are so sure of this... Beacuse maclaines study says so? Pictualry under "value added". Also because i have talked to srever u of w studens who have many complates about there studention fedaration. Reaosns why i think lakehead has a better scnese of comunity: 1. we are a smaller school, every one knows every one. 2. we have a more funcatal stuion union (i could go in to reasons why i blive this if u like) 3. the city we are in is quite islocated so the only reasable way out is by plane. Or driving for 2 days just to get to clivation. This makes the sution popualtion close togher for the full year and almost forces you to be invaled with lakehead and the small srundsings or be locked up in your room all year. 4. Residence wise we divded our floors or areas in to houses that compent agisted other houses much like in more tiredation schooling systems found in eurpen areas. This leads to a strong scnes of comunity among our house and most peolaop stay in the same house for as long as they stay in rez. Once angain i can not state strongy enought that this dose not make lakehead better but difrent from other unis. Quote: I don't know everything the CCC has done, but I have to say I haven't found them a problem. Ok, so the sidewalk chalk thing from last year wasn't the best idea, but I wouldn't change universities because of it. The reasons why i am applaed by the CCC is the flaowing reasons: 1. The CCC is a stiudion club meaning that your moeny gose to fund them or at a least suport there meetings and pritning costs. 2. There mission stament actactly has things in it that make the club exclusive and states things like there mission is to convert studetions to christ. 3. They post relgiuse porpgande in stuion owned and univseriy owned places. Thess places are considerd public and the student ones are funded by studens. 4. They push there blifes on others both inside and out side of there meetings. Wethere you mind this or are offend by it or not dose not effect it being wrong or right. What dose is that 1. at some studetions are effected by it witch means the stuion fedaurtion has to atack (at least at LU it whould) and cleary they are not and 2. public and stuion places should be relgion free. The only excpetion to this is when there is an offical relgions event going on like a CCC meeting. Witch is in such a place that it is not forced apon any one. Why i whould not go to a uni that suported somthing like the CCC. Simpley i do not whont to suport somthing that is going to be baised to one relgion or another. Stundent space should be religon free it is that simple. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:24 pm ] |
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actually, the feds dont support the CCC, or the CCF, actually, they dont want any religious associations at all... but since the CCC and CCF started before the feds, there isnt really too much they can do about it |
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| Author: | Dan [ Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:46 pm ] |
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Andy wrote: actually, the feds dont support the CCC, or the CCF, actually, they dont want any religious associations at all... but since the CCC and CCF started before the feds, there isnt really too much they can do about it
Your telling me that your own studtion union/federation do not have control of there own clubs?  |
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| Author: | Brightguy [ Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Waterloo University |
Okay, so I didn't choose Waterloo for its sense of community. Actually I didn't even bother thinking about the community. A community ranking seems largely dependent on the individual person... everyone will have a different opinion what makes a strong community. About the CCC, now that you point it out, I realise how cool a comparative religion club would be. The sad thing is you wouldn't be able to find many, if any, diehards willing to do presentations and stuff though. Why get so offended if you see a poster for an event, though? You are not being pressured to go, all you have to do is ignore it. Maybe I'm just used to it, since I've seen stuff like this my entire life... I remember Christian promotions back in primary school, and it was a public school. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:30 pm ] |
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Hacker Dan wrote: Your telling me that your own studtion union/federation do not have control of there own clubs?
okay, so what if the feds wants to cancel the club, what valid reason could they possibly come up with? and there are alot of christians at uw, not all of them are in ccc, but i'm sure they are all against getting rid of it. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:00 pm ] |
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Andy wrote: okay, so what if the feds wants to cancel the club, what valid reason could they possibly come up with? and there are alot of christians at uw, not all of them are in ccc, but i'm sure they are all against getting rid of it. Ummm the brain thing alone whould be enought to yell at the club or at least warn them. As i side you can not put relgiuses propganted in public/student space, it just is not right. Also there clubs mission stament i find offisve and i peroanly blive it makes the club excusive. (idk about u of w but lu dose not alowy limited member ship clubs.) And to Brightguy, i do not find what is on the poster offsive but rather that they are alowed to place it in stuiont space and that they are alow to have a club that is so exterm it becomes excusive in memebrship. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:04 pm ] |
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I'm pretty sure that it's not exclusive. From what I understand, they'd love to have some non-religious people join (and then convert them).. now if I was to join and then be denied certain things such as running for an executive position on the basis of lack of faith.. that would violate some rules and be basis for club dismissal. |
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| Author: | Martin [ Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:54 pm ] |
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I have no problem with it. I don't mind the CCC existing as long as I am allowed to join it (even if I don't intend to). If they started saying "Christian only" or "no gays allowed" then I'd have a huge problem with it, but that's not the case. There are a ton of clubs at University, the majority of which I have no interest in joining, but that doesn't mean that other people don't or that these clubs shouldn't receive funding. As for exclusivity, the only way that some clubs can restrict entry is by faculty. For example, with the computer science club at Waterloo, funded by MathSoc (which in turn is funded by math students as part of tuition) , an Engineering student can't vote or be an exec, although they can still join the club. The school also has a number of Feds clubs open to everyone. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:58 pm ] |
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I did not mean that it was excuslive in that you could not thecagly join but that if you did you whould be preshured to chage your blifes systems and that u whould not be treated with equality. I blive that they allready warent atacion agisted them from there "do you argrea with brain" campain alone. |
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| Author: | md [ Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:34 am ] |
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That's it. I'm joining the CCC, telling them I'm gay; and running for a position on the board. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Fri Mar 17, 2006 9:24 am ] |
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LOL!... i guess you can sue for sexual preference discrimination if they dont vote for you... |
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| Author: | Dan [ Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:48 pm ] |
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It almost makes me whont to chage schools to u of w just to mess with them. |
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| Author: | md [ Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:36 pm ] |
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Wait; second thought I'll say I'm bi. That way my having a girlfriend currently doesn't tip them off... if only I were less ill so I could put this plan into action. |
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| Author: | Flikerator [ Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:50 pm ] |
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Do you need a good english mark to get into waterloo? ^^; |
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| Author: | Tony [ Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:51 pm ] |
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I would think it's the same for any University. As long as your average is admisable, and any individual mark is not particularly horrible (below 60?) it should not be a problem to get in (unless you're applying for some English major...) |
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| Author: | Brightguy [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Waterloo University |
Well, I'm still not quite sure what I'm missing by not being in co-op...  Also in the second post Cornflake said you can apply to most co-op programs as regular student, which I wasn't aware of... (doesn't it kind of defeat the purpose?)
(P.S. I'm not sure if it was the CCC but I spotted some more sidewalk chalk text a few days ago, "JESUS LIVES".) |
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| Author: | Martin [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:49 pm ] |
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What you're missing out on is being drunk in the streets of Tokyo. Akihabara is a total brainfuck. |
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| Author: | md [ Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:01 am ] |
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Wha? We get totally smashed here.... last night for instance... |
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| Author: | Flikerator [ Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:50 pm ] |
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Computer Science as a major, planning on coop, living on or near campus (In residence). How much are the costs? Roughly. Im only grade 11 so im in no hurry. I can't decipher the site at all x__x |
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| Author: | md [ Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:37 pm ] |
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It's all there; but figure on 6k-7k a semester. |
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| Author: | Flikerator [ Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:13 am ] |
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Cornflake wrote: It's all there; but figure on 6k-7k a semester.
Thats a 4 month period right? |
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| Author: | md [ Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:47 pm ] |
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yup. |
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| Author: | Martin [ Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:07 pm ] |
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Flikerator wrote: Cornflake wrote: It's all there; but figure on 6k-7k a semester.
Thats a 4 month period right? That'll cover you for everything - tuition, books, housing, food, boozing and all that jazz. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:29 pm ] |
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6k a semester???? I live off of like 10k a year....incuding the summer. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:40 pm ] |
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well you don't have to buy the books... or so much food... or like pay rent  |
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| Author: | Martin [ Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:30 pm ] |
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Hacker Dan wrote: 6k a semester???? I live off of like 10k a year....incuding the summer.
What does tuition cost you? We've got 3k tuition per semester, $400 for textbooks, plus say $700/month for rent/utilities/food. $3000 + $2800 + $400 = $6200. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:27 am ] |
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you lucky Math major you.. Engineering tuition alone is 4.5K |
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| Author: | Dan [ Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:25 pm ] |
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Tony wrote: well you don't have to buy the books... or so much food... or like pay rent
I have to buy books and pay rent..... My tutuion is about 4k~4.5k per year. |
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