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Once you own a domain can you also have an email @ that domain or do you need website hosting?
Author:  BigBear [ Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Once you own a domain can you also have an email @ that domain or do you need website hosting?
Once you own a domain can you also have an email @ that domain or do you need website hosting?

If so how.

And if you were to make a YouTube channel to be associated with the website would you recommend using an email that is @domain name or using a GMail email?
Author:  mirhagk [ Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:51 pm ]
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Most domain providers will provide you with mail hosting for free.

1and1.com is what I use, they give you a bunch of free email accounts to use.
Author:  BigBear [ Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:30 pm ]
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I don't see free email accounts on their website
Author:  Zren [ Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:45 pm ]
Post subject:  RE:Once you own a domain can you also have an email @ that domain or do you need website hosting?
You buy a domain from Domain Registrar. The registrar's website will allow you to edit your specific parts of your whois info (specifically the nameservers). Eg: http://whois.cira.ca/public?domain=xshade.ca Registrars usually will also offer a DNS as well. I didn't because I'm weird (and probably couldn't find it in their menus at the time). https://freedns.afraid.org/ offers free DNS hosting by the way.

The nameserver records interpret the subdomains, and points to your web hosting server.

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MX records are your MailServer hosting. The configuration above is setup for Google Apps emails, which used to allow free gmail accounts using your domain name. Google closed registrations for the free version a month back or so.

A Domain Registrar (+DNS) and Web Hosting are separate, but you will often find them bundled together. I once read about separating the two just in case you dislike your web hosting (it tends to cost to transfer domains). I've never done it, but migrating files over FTP and SQL databases is annoying enough.

If you manage to get a decent gmail nick, then there shouldn't be a problem. It will also most likely be around longer than your __ year plan.
Author:  BigBear [ Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:25 pm ]
Post subject:  RE:Once you own a domain can you also have an email @ that domain or do you need website hosting?
Currently I own a domain name.

If the Gmail service was availible I would be able to have a CUSTOM_NAME@MY_DOMAIN for free?

The site I bought the domain through sells 25 emails accounts for $2 / month paid yearly.

or I get unlimited when I get hosting.

To be honest I didn't really understand your post Zren but do you have any suggestions as to what I should do to get an email with an @MY_DOMAIN
Author:  Zren [ Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:36 pm ]
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I'm confusing because I don't have enough experience with it. That and I'm confusing in general.

You only need 1 email. Are you going to use you web hosting? If not then just do the 2$ thing IF you will use the email. By Email addresses, what does that mean? Do they mean POP accounts that you use a mail client like Outlook or Thunderbird with? Or do they also offer a web interface?

What do you currently use for email and are familiar with?
Author:  BigBear [ Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:07 pm ]
Post subject:  RE:Once you own a domain can you also have an email @ that domain or do you need website hosting?
I use Gmail.

I bought the domain from Domain.com

I am not sure what they offer but if there email interface sucks then I will just forward it to a Gmail
Author:  mirhagk [ Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:20 pm ]
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who is your web hosting with? You could set up a mail server with them.
Author:  Tony [ Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:35 pm ]
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Even better ? Google Apps. Although they've stopped doing new free accounts. http://www.google.com/enterprise/apps/business/
Author:  mirhagk [ Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:33 am ]
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Zren @ Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:45 pm wrote:
The configuration above is setup for Google Apps emails, which used to allow free gmail accounts using your domain name. Google closed registrations for the free version a month back or so.

Sorry Tony, Zren beat you too it.

The fact that you can't sign up is kind of a dealbreaker though lol
Author:  Tony [ Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:50 am ]
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My bad, but no one said that you can't sing up Wink
Author:  mirhagk [ Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:23 pm ]
Post subject:  RE:Once you own a domain can you also have an email @ that domain or do you need website hosting?
well yeah you could pay for it, but I think $50 a year is a bit too expensive for just a single mail account.
Author:  Tony [ Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:57 pm ]
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you get gmail interface at a custom domain. It might not matter if all you do is forward the mail to another account, but if this an account you actually use, then no other UI you can setup for free will come close.

You also get 2.5x the current inbox space of free gmail.

So yeah, it's $50. The question is ? can you get $50 worth of value of having an email account?
Author:  Dan [ Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:41 pm ]
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It is a shame Google Apps no longer has a free option. I have been using it for some time and it relay does seem to be the best option (other then the potential eavesdropping by the US government).

I can't recommended trying to run your own e-mail server. It is possible and not that hard to setup but controlling spam and ensuring you have 100% uptime (and no messages are lost) can be a massive pain in the ass.
Author:  md [ Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:30 pm ]
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Nah, hosting your own email isn't too hard if you've got a VPS (or two, for failover). Problem is that you can't find anything even close to as good as the gmail interface.

It'd be great if Google made gmail boxes like their search appliances. Buy one, plug it into your network and *bam* instant gmail/calendar/google drive/whatever. That and allowing you to change the email associated with a google account (and merge them) would be spectacular.

[edit] And if you want to use your own email server you'll need to add some MX records to your DNS records. Nothing to do with whois data at all. 'Tis important to get details like that right Razz
Author:  mirhagk [ Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:08 pm ]
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Why would you not just create a mail server that simply forwards everything to gmail.

You get gmail's UI and spam filter, without paying for the business account.

You also could just hook up outlook or thuderbird or something to your mail server, any web based mail server that isn't (new) hotmail or gmail is useless anyways lol.
Author:  Tony [ Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:46 pm ]
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mirhagk @ Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:08 pm wrote:
Why would you not just create a mail server that simply forwards everything to gmail.

Dan @ Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:41 pm wrote:
I can't recommended trying to run your own e-mail server. It is possible and not that hard to setup but controlling spam and ensuring you have 100% uptime (and no messages are lost) can be a massive pain in the ass.


And then you get all kinds of issues if you actually wanted to reply to any of the messages that you receive...
Author:  mirhagk [ Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:39 pm ]
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you don't even need to host your own email server if you can find something with free space. You can quite easily send and recieve messages from another mailbox, and gmail makes it even easier to do so.
Author:  BigBear [ Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:43 pm ]
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Sounds like Gmail should be open source
Author:  Tony [ Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RE:Once you own a domain can you also have an email @ that domain or do you need website hosting?
BigBear @ Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:43 pm wrote:
Sounds like Gmail should be open source

why?
Author:  mirhagk [ Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:30 pm ]
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Google doesn't like to make things open source, they like to make a project open source and then close it off and make custom changes before they release it (cough cough chromium)
Author:  BigBear [ Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:51 pm ]
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Tony @ Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:57 pm wrote:
BigBear @ Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:43 pm wrote:
Sounds like Gmail should be open source

why?


So then anyone can use it for free
Author:  mirhagk [ Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:25 pm ]
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I think Google provides enough services for free lol. You need to realize that companies do need to make money, they can't just do all their work for free.
Author:  Tony [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:37 am ]
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BigBear @ Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:51 pm wrote:
So then anyone can use it for free

Anyone already can use Gmail for free... at gmail.com. What you might have meant though is "anyone can use it to offer their own commercial services... at no expense" (such as other email service providers). Which seems like a dubious proposition.

I think that gmail doesn't charge enough. Google is giving away a lot of services -- you should ask how those services are financed. After all, Google has been on a spree of shutting down services/features that don't foot their own bill. In just over a year, Google has shut down about 60 services/features http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/09/more-spring-cleaning.html http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/12/winter-cleaning.html
Author:  mirhagk [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:42 am ]
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Google is this amazing company that somehow doesn't charge it's users anything, yet makes money. I fully support them in everything they do, because they go off the simple concept that advertisers are willing to pay for targeted ads. Google ads are damn near amazing, which is why they can offer so much for free.

It does suck when they invent awesome services/features and noone uses them so they need to be shut down, but I can't expect them to stay open, and I'm glad for everything they do offer.

I think the concept of selling services to businesses while giving it free to consumers is a great plan, something that both microsoft and google do to some extent (google definetly does it much more, microsoft just does it for a few things), and it seems to work out decently.

So in sum, no, Google should not offer their server code to others so others can charge, it's awesome that they offer the service to consumers for free (as gmail already does), but in order to do so they need to make money.
Author:  BigBear [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:19 pm ]
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Tony @ Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:37 am wrote:
BigBear @ Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:51 pm wrote:
So then anyone can use it for free

Anyone already can use Gmail for free... at gmail.com. What you might have meant though is "anyone can use it to offer their own commercial services... at no expense" (such as other email service providers). Which seems like a dubious proposition.

I think that gmail doesn't charge enough. Google is giving away a lot of services -- you should ask how those services are financed. After all, Google has been on a spree of shutting down services/features that don't foot their own bill. In just over a year, Google has shut down about 60 services/features http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/09/more-spring-cleaning.html http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/12/winter-cleaning.html


Google makes their money mostly from advertising and even the mobile revenue alone is going to be significant soon.

With another free Gmail for non @gmail.com domain email they get another place to display their ads.

Most of the spring cleaning is removing this that don't make sense anymore or merging things together.

Google still needs to update a lot of its services.
Author:  Tony [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:30 pm ]
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BigBear @ Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:19 pm wrote:
With another free Gmail for non @gmail.com domain email they get another place to display their ads.

If the project was open sourced, don't you think that those ads will very quickly be replaced by ads from... whoever the new host will be?
Author:  Dan [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:32 pm ]
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BigBear @ 19th December 2012, 6:19 pm wrote:

With another free Gmail for non @gmail.com domain email they get another place to display their ads.


This is how the free Google Apps worked (which included e-mail that was basically the same as gmail for your domain). I guess it was not making enough or it was being abused.

It's a shame that there are not cheaper options for individuals that just need one or two accounts. I would consider paying $10/year for Google apps but $50/year seems a bit much when I am the only person using it on my domain. I would however pay much more for the same service if I had some kind of insurance that my e-mail was private, they kept minimal logs and notified me when there was a request for my information by some third party.
Author:  Tony [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:11 pm ]
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though since Google Apps comes in only two flavours ? for business and for education, the pricing scheme seems much more reasonable.

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