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NetBeans 5.0 Beta
Author:  wtd [ Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:32 pm ]
Post subject:  NetBeans 5.0 Beta
http://www.netbeans.org/community/releases/50/index.html

GUI designer demo:

http://www.netbeans.org/files/documents/4/475/matisse.html
Author:  rizzix [ Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:06 pm ]
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yea.. well i was to post that.. once the "release" version was out.. darn it.. i didn;t realize they got all those features functional soo fast.. sweet.
Author:  Hikaru79 [ Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:59 pm ]
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NetBeans has always been my Java IDE of choice, and I've been drooling over Matisse since I first saw the demo about five months ago. I installed the beta two days ago, and man is it sweet 8)
Author:  turboliux [ Sun Oct 02, 2005 4:27 am ]
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whats so sweet about Net Beans? maybe i m still a noob, but I use JCreator and it saves my day 8)
Author:  rizzix [ Sun Oct 02, 2005 10:48 am ]
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netbean's matisse is one of the greatest GUI building tools available for Java for free..

Netbeans wasn't really comparable with Eclipse sometime ago.. now it has a chance to compete.. eitherway Eclipse's VE (visual editor) is pathetic!

I've seen some demos of IntelliJ's IDEA. Oh man that was sweet! Didn't know coding can be so much fun. Laughing (too bad it's not free)

I can't wait for Netbeans 5.0 though... the beta one has some serious bugs.. The most apparent one is it's code-folding mechanism. Try it out and you'll see.

But Netbeans 5.0 will "really" rock on Mustang. Cuz mustang has such great enhancements to it's swing library.. you are gonna drool. Laughing like for example.. everything swing is OpenGL rendered (woots!).. the new opengl singlethreaded pipeline for maximum performance (another woots!). and then you get free font sub-pixel anti-aliasing throughout ur app. (finally!).. and much more..

infact since everythign is opengl rendered.. there were discussions on makeing a 3D PLAF Wink (that would be kinda cool)

yep can't wait till mustang.
Author:  Hikaru79 [ Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:00 am ]
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Something wierd's happened to my netbeans5.0-beta install (on Linux). It crashed once while I was using Matisse, and now the JVM is failing whenever I try to run it. Netbeans 4.1 is still good though. I guess I'll file a bug report and try to reinstall.
Author:  rizzix [ Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:20 am ]
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worked fine on windows... hmm
Author:  Ultra Jugulator [ Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:59 pm ]
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Don't bother using it on Linux. It's way better in Windows. Wink

It runs marvelous!
Author:  Hikaru79 [ Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:03 pm ]
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Ultra Jugulator wrote:
Don't bother using it on Linux. It's way better in Windows. Wink

Can you elaborate on that? Razz

An important bug fix made in the Linux version of NetBeans -- loading Projects directly off of mounted NFS shares. Didn't work before, works great now. Yay NetBeans! Very Happy
Author:  goomba [ Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:06 pm ]
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Eclipse IMO is much better and more stable than NetBeans on all platforms. Matisse is nice, but it still generates code that is way too verbose and convoluted.
Author:  rizzix [ Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:04 pm ]
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goomba wrote:
Matisse is nice, but it still generates code that is way too verbose and convoluted.
how so?
Author:  goomba [ Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:27 pm ]
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It uses full names for every single object instead of just importing at the top (not sure if there's a way to change this) and I don't like the fact that it relies on its own nonstandard packages for many of its layout features. I also like to have more control over how the GUI initialization methods are handled.

Maybe some people like to have an IDE write code for them, but I prefer to either do it myself entirely or have it done without interfering with the code, the way Interface Builder works.
Author:  Hikaru79 [ Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:45 pm ]
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goomba wrote:
It uses full names for every single object instead of just importing at the top (not sure if there's a way to change this)


Good point. This has always annoyed the heck out of me, and I don't know if/how it can be changed. Perhaps rizzix does?

Despite a few shortcomings, Netbeans is what I'm most familiar with, and at the end of the day, thats really what matters most, all else being approximately equal.
Author:  rizzix [ Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:19 am ]
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goomba wrote:
Maybe some people like to have an IDE write code for them, but I prefer to either do it myself entirely or have it done without interfering with the code, the way Interface Builder works.
That is possible... in the near future... take a look at this project: https://jdnc.dev.java.net/

it provides a means of creating the GUI by writing XML files... if that procedure is automated.. Wink well we've got the Interface Builder equivalent for SWING.

Eitherway.. eclipse's VisualEditor is pathetic... you can't compare eclipse to netbeans on that score..

Hikaru79: no actually i don't know... i dont use netbeans.. although i plan to use it but only after 5.0 is "released".

Nevertheless if you're not satisfied with matisse.. there's always (the non-free) http://jformdesigner.com/ (demos)
Author:  rizzix [ Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:46 pm ]
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i just tried out the Beta2 on my mac: here's a screenshot..

wait... i can't upload... i thought dan said this was working perfectly..
Author:  turboliux [ Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:05 pm ]
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i started to like Netbeans 5, the GUI editor is awesome. However, there sometimes some exceptions coming up.. well.. that why it's beta, hehe. Also, its weird that in the "Source" mode you cannot edit the code =S, maybe you know whats the problem?
Author:  rizzix [ Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:38 am ]
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that's not a bug.. any code highlighted blue.. is code maintained by netbeans... you are not supposed to be modifying that code... hence it's uneditable.
Author:  turboliux [ Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:48 am ]
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HENCE it su**s, no offence NetBean lovers. I would say that this doesnt give any flexibility like... let say Dreamweaver gives - you can construct design and later edit it as a code.

I guess i have to draw design in Netbeans, and then edit it in JCreator =]
Author:  rizzix [ Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:51 am ]
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nope... u simply don't know how to use it... yet... look at Apple's Interface Builder.. You can't edit the code there either (actually it doesn't generate code.. but xml instead.. which again.. ur not supposed to edit manually).. Yet it's far far ahead in terms of functionality, flexibility, etc.. Netbeans is trying to imitate that.. but instead of xml it directly generates code. Learn to use the Tool Wink

hint: try adding event handler through the GUI. (that's the only time you'd ever need to actually edit the code)
Author:  turboliux [ Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:55 am ]
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ok, i will try this feature then...
Author:  rizzix [ Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:01 pm ]
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New Matisse Tutorial: http://www.netbeans.org/kb/50/quickstart-gui.html
Author:  Hikaru79 [ Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:10 pm ]
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Oh, and, RC2 has been released. Bugfixes galore, hopefully.
Author:  rizzix [ Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:42 pm ]
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Yea most of the issues I had, have dissappeared.
Author:  rizzix [ Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:34 am ]
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It's here finally!

Netbeans profiler tutorial, here
Author:  apomb [ Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NetBeans 5.0 Beta
I'm having a hard time installing Netbeans in Linux. the error is : No Java Development Kit(JDK) was found on this system. but i installed it ages ago, when i was compiling at the command line. is there something else i need?
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Author:  DKNiGHTX [ Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:20 pm ]
Post subject:  RE:NetBeans 5.0 Beta
Hmmm. Won't it be interesting if I walk into next years Java class knowing everything. Interesting..... Also, this editor reminds me of VS2005, but awesome edition.

Aww crap, it has CVS support and not SVN support. Hmmmm... Maybe I will have to stick with Eclipse :\
Author:  wtd [ Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:01 am ]
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DKNiGHTX @ Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:20 am wrote:
Hmmm. Won't it be interesting if I walk into next years Java class knowing everything.


Impossible things are often interesting.

Don't be discouraged. Just remember that when it comes to learning, there is no end, and even if it were, that wouldn't be the point.

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