Computer Science Canada Grammar not Grammer!!! |
Author: | Mr. T [ Sat Sep 24, 2005 10:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Grammar not Grammer!!! |
Rawr!!! I've seen this error far too many times!!! ![]() |
Author: | [Gandalf] [ Sat Sep 24, 2005 10:55 pm ] |
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Yep, the problem is that most people spell it closer to what they say, which is "gram-mehr" not "gram-mahr". |
Author: | rizzix [ Sat Sep 24, 2005 10:56 pm ] |
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well i think we all know that.. ![]() |
Author: | Dan [ Sat Sep 24, 2005 11:20 pm ] |
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And why do u have a problem with peoleop spelling it wrong? |
Author: | Boo-chan [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 12:00 am ] |
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Because a language is only useful in that it allows the exchange of information between entities. This is only possible if everyone engaging in the exchange understands the meaning of the words used. Spelling mistakes serves to degrade the usefulness of the language, cause misunderstanding and confusion. Its the same principle as in computer languages. Syntax has to be spelled correctly or the code you write will not work. Humans are more flexible so they can absorb more errors and still understand the general idea behind the message, but specifics are lost. Hence, since it is assumed communication is ment to transfer information it should be as clear and precise as possible. But it is a scale so while the occasional spelling mistake doesn't cause too much problems, things like !337 5*34|< can. |
Author: | timmytheturtle [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 12:05 am ] |
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i'm with hacker dan on this, i really dont care if i spell correctly or not, it's not like im being marked on it |
Author: | Dan [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 12:07 am ] |
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Boo-chan wrote: Because a language is only useful in that it allows the exchange of information between entities. This is only possible if everyone engaging in the exchange understands the meaning of the words used. Spelling mistakes serves to degrade the usefulness of the language, cause misunderstanding and confusion.
You my firend have just missed the hole point of language. Languge is not about spelling, garamer or anything eletes like that. Languge is a means, and a means with out an end is pointless, abousultly and oterly pointless. Juging poeleop or the message they send based on there spelling or garame useage is ingorent and pig headed. Littoray citrisumes based on such things are blind to what the author is trying to convay. It is not the spelling or garamer that makes a post it is the meaning behinded thess litte typed letters conustered in a semie logical way. In my optioan if you can under stand what is being side and the message that is trying to be convaded then spelling and garamer are fine. For exmaple like this topic was started if u used ether of thos spellings the person whould know what u are talking about and in the end that is what matters. Edit: Also when u juge peoleop on the basies of garamer and spelling u are not consider some things. Like the fact that not every one speaks this languge as there pirmeary one and could be new to it. Also there are alot of leraning disbility that effect the ability to spell and in no way effect intergence and in some cases aucatly increases some integence realtey abilitys. You whould not make fun of some one in a wheel chair so why whould you some one with a learning disabiltiy? Edit Edit: I am sory for seting up that troll but mr. pwend started it and i have a cause to fight =p |
Author: | 1of42 [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 12:16 am ] |
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Boo-Chan is right in that once two people cannot understand what each other are saying, be that because of spelling or whatever else, they are no longer speaknig the same language - hence we should strive to maintain correctness in our communications. And, Dan, just out of interest, do you TRY to type that badly? Because, frankly, I've never seen anyone make that many typos unless it was on purpose. |
Author: | Dan [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 12:18 am ] |
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1of42 wrote: Boo-Chan is right in that once two people cannot understand what each other are saying, be that because of spelling or whatever else, they are no longer speaknig the same language - hence we should strive to maintain correctness in our communications.
And, Dan, just out of interest, do you TRY to type that badly? Because, frankly, I've never seen anyone make that many typos unless it was on purpose. 1st i whould like to ask u a question, do you go up to kids in wheel chairs and ask them if they realy can not walk or they are just fakeing it? |
Author: | Boo-chan [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 12:40 am ] |
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People that can't walk use wheelchairs. People who can't spell should use spellcheckers. Besides the matter of unclear meaning, spelling/grammar mistakes serve to cause an unfavorable impression of the speaker and the ideas they are expressing. That's fine if you don't mind that people are unconciously doubting the ideas that you are expressing, but if you want them to actually fully consider what you are trying to say you have to coach your message into a form that will make them do this. In other words, if you want people to listen to you; you have to conform to their standards of communication. |
Author: | Dan [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 12:45 am ] |
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Boo-chan wrote: People that can't walk use wheelchairs.
People who can't spell should use spellcheckers. Nice coment from some one who obvesly has no understanding of the problem. Using a spellcheck whould only put in many spelled corectly words that do not belong. U whould get words that sound simmaior but are not the same meaning and it whould throw u off even more. This menthod aucatly gets my point acorces. This is apreantly true since u could reply to it. Boo-chan wrote: Besides the matter of unclear meaning, spelling/grammar mistakes serve to cause an unfavorable impression of the speaker and the ideas they are expressing. That's fine if you don't mind that people are unconciously doubting the ideas that you are expressing, but if you want them to actually fully consider what you are trying to say you have to coach your message into a form that will make them do this. In other words, if you want people to listen to you; you have to conform to their standards of communication. If u hosntly think that way i realy do not whont u reading what i have to type. As i was saying if u are juging poeleop on spelling and not what they are saying then u are a very ingorent person. That is like saying some ones option on math is though of less b/c they can not talk noramly. Hawking whould be a bit pissed at you there....... |
Author: | Computerilliterate [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 12:46 am ] |
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For those of you with the severe issue on spelling.. WHAT THE HELL? I mean half the time you speak in a godamned CREATED language, and you have the audacity to bitch about proper spelling of the english language? Jesus Christ. Can you not understand that when someone types " fcuk you and go away" they mean "fuck you and go away"? I mean.. it must be something the ladies type to you frequently enough. So long as you understand the message, or its general meaning.. fuck off and die. Keep your god forsaken comments to yourself and leave whoever typed it alone. It is not like the message is how to disarm a frickin' bomb. Go find somewhere else to get your rocks off. Maybe consider bathing and with any luck, working on your fucking social skills. |
Author: | Boo-chan [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:14 am ] |
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Hacker Dan wrote: Nice coment from some one who obvesly has no understanding of the problem. Using a spellcheck whould only put in many spelled corectly words that do not belong. U whould get words that sound simmaior but are not the same meaning and it whould throw u off even more. This menthod aucatly gets my point acorces. This is apreantly true since u could reply to it. Why do you spell the way you do? It doesn't appear to be caused by typing errors; something more along the lines of phonetically spelling? And yes I can figure out what your trying to say, but it takes a lot of thinking sometimes. As a result, it takes me longer to read your posts than someones elses and I'm never sure if I completely understand what your trying to say. Why do people not use leet? Because it is difficult to read easily... it is perfectly readable as long as you don't mind spending 3 or 4 minutes to figure it out, but who really reads a post that is all in leet? If I see a post in leet, I don't read it unless I know who the poster is. But that's just my opinion. I know I make spelling errors, but I try to avoid them. I was considering writing this all in leet, but that would be rather silly. But if I had would you have read it? |
Author: | Dan [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:17 am ] |
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Well i know spelling errors are not as bad as peoleop who do not know how to use the quote comand right. And who side anything about 1337? That is completly difrent, that is going out of your way to complicate things, what u are talking about is juging peoleop on things they can not chage. |
Author: | Boo-chan [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:22 am ] |
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Using leet makes it difficult for people to understand what you are trying to say, spelling mistakes do the same thing. Hence they can be viewed in the same sense. And anyone can learn how to spell, well anyone who can learn how to program. Or do you mispell your syntax as well? And you're the one being judgemental about me leaving out my quotations. But if I had spelled it qote and used quotation marks would it have been ok? |
Author: | Dan [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:28 am ] |
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Boo-chan wrote: Using leet makes it difficult for people to understand what you are trying to say, spelling mistakes do the same thing.
No it is not, unless u are saying i am trying to misspell things. Boo-chan wrote: Hence they can be viewed in the same sence. And anyone can learn how to spell, well anyone who can learn how to programm. Or do you mispell your syntax as well? That is littery like telling a cripled kid that he can learn how to walk. I think the big problem here is ignornce. U do not understand the problem so u just perjuge me and other peoleop. And yes some times i do mispell syntax and if u think that makes me any less of a progamer u can go to hell since i am in 2nd year compsci at uni and doing fine as well as having a well paying progaming job over the summer. Boo-chan wrote: And your the own being judgemental about me leaving out my quotations. But if I had spelled it qote and used quotation marks would it have been ok? Not any more then u, witch was my point. And if u had missspelled it, it whould have been more understandable but it comes up right away so should be easy to fix for any one since it is writen on the page. |
Author: | Boo-chan [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:40 am ] |
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Ok, so you mispell syntax, then obviously go back and fix it later. Why can't you do the same things for the other things that you type? When I type something I usually double-check what I've written to make sure that it is understandable. This is just a matter of courtesy toward the other people who will be reading it. And the thing about double checking what you type is that you improve your spelling/grammar ability over time, where as if you just accept your mistakes your writing gets worse over time. What I take exception to is not really your spelling but your attitude that spelling like that is ok. |
Author: | Dan [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:53 am ] |
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Boo-chan wrote: Ok, so you mispell syntax, then obviously go back and fix it later. Why can't you do the same things for the other things that you type? When I type something I usually double-check what I've written to make sure that it is understandable. This is just a matter of courtesy toward the other people who will be reading it.
Progaming has only a few 100 words at most if even that. Most of witch are very simple words witch if u notice i do not misspell. So it whould be like 1 or 2 words witch need fixing on the other hand with a deabte like this that gos well over 1000s of words and with a dicntoray of 10000s of words that whould take days to do. Also looking up the word is exteramly difucalut if u do not know how to spell it right, unlike in progaming. Boo wrote: And the thing about double checking what you type is that you improve your spelling/grammar ability over time, where as if you just accept your mistakes your writing gets worse over time. This is complety unture, as i side u have litte to no understand of thess kinds of learning disbilitys. The way i spell now is the best it ever will and can be, in fact it toke exteramly hard work to get it this good and hours of tutoring, tests and other crap witch you could not image. There is no psycial way for it to get better, it is encoded in to my dna, and it can not be chaged and even if there was some drug that could chage it i whould not. This learning disbility may have its down sides witch u see when ever i post here but there is also the ups witch u do not. Just like the old idea of how a blind mand gets better scenses of hearing have this "disblity" vastly impoves other areas of my intectaly that peoleop like u will miss out on being so cough up on how my ideas are spelled rather then what they are. Also my spelling dose not get worse over time, only get worse when i have not been spelling or if i am in a very big hurry to type somthing. Boo wrote: What I take exception to is not really your spelling but your attitude that spelling like that is ok. OH? So maybe we should just kill all the dysickes at brith maybe? Just check there dna and if is not up to par trow them in the trash? I mean they can not spell what good could they realy be? Not like any one like any one smart like hawking and enstaine had any kind of disbitys........oh wait they both do, one pysical and the other a learn disbity. What makes me sick is peoleop like you who think that u can juge poeleop on things that do not mater, it is this kind of thinking that leads to rasicsim and other kinds of pergdisume. Not only is it ok to not be able to spell right i am dam prowed of it. I am pwoered that i have a learning disbility and i am dam happy about being dysicaxlick. If you don't like it you can go to hell with the KKK and the rest of the haters out there. Learning to think befor you speak! |
Author: | Dan [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:05 am ] |
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Well i most be going to be so this debate will have to wait till i get up and feal like geting ride of this ingnorce that has been seeping on to the net. But for now i leave you with this quote i once found on the web: "I know i can't spell, but thats your problem" Now this may seem kind of ingorent at 1st, but once u think about it it realy is not. I mean if u are coming to a help site like this and i take the time out of my bussy life to help you with your computer problem and keep this site going out of mostly my own pocket and my post to you is misspelled is that realy a problem? Shure u can ingnore my post and think it of lesser value then some noob with 0 posts just out of grade 8, but in the end that is only hurting you. Shure go ahead and juge peoleop based on spelling because in the end it is not them who u hurt but only your self for not listing to what they have to say b/c you are so stuck up about somthing so unmeaningfull. And what will you have in the end? Well u can feal good about yelling at some one on the net for spelling but u will not be any closer to the awser u where looking for or the reason for why u came to this site. So realy it is only u who will be hurt...... P.S. coments for both sides of the debate are still very welcome. |
Author: | Boo-chan [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:13 am ] |
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Ok, if the plethora of spelling errors in your writing is due to a learning disability that is different from frequent spelling errors due to a simple lack of effort to avoid them, in some ways. At least it allows me to understand why the spelling errors are there. They still irritate me, but less than they would in other situations. And I am thinking before I speak. However, before you can proclaim my intolerance you should consider several things. 1st: You seem to be attempting to be draw parallels between the KKK and my dislike for frequent spelling mistakes. Is this a really valid comparison? 2nd: You sir are being intolerant of my habit of spelling word correctly. I could say: " All people who don't accept proper spelling can go to hell along with the KKK and haters like that" But that would be rather silly wouldn't it? And of course I judge people on how they spell. I also judge them on their OS of choice, favourite books, age, gender, occupation, computer system, etc. Is this wrong? Not in my opinion, since it isn't the factors that you consider, but how you consider them, and besides I judge myself on these things and expect others to do the same. |
Author: | Dan [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:23 am ] |
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Boo-chan wrote: Ok, if the plethora of spelling errors in your writing is due to a learning disability that is different from frequent spelling errors due to a simple lack of effort to avoid them, in some ways.
In some ways ![]() Boo-chan wrote: 1st: You seem to be attempting to be draw parallels between the KKK and my dislike for frequent spelling mistakes. Is this a really valid comparison? I am comapre u to the KKK for ur dislike of somthing that can never be chaged. The KKK jugges balcks for being black, you jugue dysicks for not being able to spell. Both of thess are pergdugisted and wrong. Shure the KKK takes it much futher but when it comes down to it, it is still perdudism . Shure the KKK are a bit more extream about it but it makes for a better point. Boo-chan wrote: 2nd: You sir are being intolerant of my habit of spelling word correctly. I could say: " All people who don't accept proper spelling can go to hell along with the KKK and haters like that" But that would be rather silly wouldn't it? I in no way imppmeyed or side that i am intolerant of peoleop spelling correctly, i have no idea how u got that. I am intolerrant of peoleop who juge othe poeleop on such things as color, age, sex, race, relgion, or if they have a disbility. And that stament u made up there out of my post is close enought if u do not whont to accespted peoleop who can not speel corectorly u are being perdugisted and just as bad as the KKK moraly. Boo-chan wrote: And of course I judge people on how they spell. I also judge them on their OS of choice, favourite books, age, gender, occupation, computer system, etc. Is this wrong? Not in my opinion, since it isn't the factors that you consider, but how you consider them, and besides I judge myself on these things and expect others to do the same. Of corse this is wrong, juging peoleop on age, sex, disbility, race, relgion, ect. It is all wrong, it is callled perdgusismed or rasismim in some cases. It is one of the worst things to hapen to humainity. You discoested me and it makes me sick to know that there are peoleop like u in the world. If there is any group out there that needs judge it is the perdugistes and rasits like you. |
Author: | Boo-chan [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:46 am ] |
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I have never said that I dislike dyslexics because they have difficulty spelling. I do dislike people who make spelling errors due to a lack of effort to fix them. Since I believe the largest number of people who make numerous spelling errors are of the later group, when I see a person making spelling errors I naturally assume that it is due to a lack of effort. When more information is provided that judgement can be revised. Yes, in my view judging people based on blanket statements is stupid. Stupid, not wrong, since wrong requires judgement which I try to avoid making. However, judging people based on statistics is perfectly valid. And what is the difference between being intolerant and being intolerant of people who are intolerant? That itself is a value judgement. |
Author: | Dan [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:54 am ] |
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Boo-chan wrote: I have never said that I dislike dyslexics because they have difficulty spelling. I do dislike people who make spelling errors due to a lack of effort to fix them. Since I believe the largest number of people who make numerous spelling errors are of the later group, when I see a person making spelling errors I naturally assume that it is due to a lack of effort.
I dislike people who make spelling errors + Dyslexics make spelling errors = I dislike dyslexics See what i am trying to say is that u can not know the persons story online. So you should not jump to the conculsion that they just lack effort. Boo-chan wrote: Yes, in my view judging people based on blanket statements is stupid. Stupid, not wrong, since wrong requires judgement which I try to avoid making. However, judging people based on statistics is perfectly valid. Ok that made litte to no sceen..........You are judging peoleop based on blanket statments when u judge peoleop on speeling, and thous it is worng since u are judging. Also it is not perfickly valid to juge peoleop on statistics esptaly ones wich you just assume like with this spelling one, that is what a seterotype is and u are just making the problem worse. Boo-chan wrote: And what is the difference between being intolerant and being intolerant of people who are intolerant? That itself is a value judgement. There is a world of difrence, and i do not think i need to expain it since it is prity self expaintory to most peoleop. (Esptaly since with a deftion like that u could never think somthing wrong since thinking it wrong whould be wrong.) Edit: At least the goverment of canada and the U.N. agrea with me on this one. The delcrotion of human right cover such disbalitys and in canada u can not disramaten agasited such disbiablity in school or in the work place. So go canada! =p |
Author: | Boo-chan [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 3:21 am ] |
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Hacker Dan wrote: There is a world of difrence, and i do not think i need to expain it since it is prity self expaintory to most peoleop. (Esptaly since with a deftion like that u could never think somthing wrong since thinking it wrong whould be wrong.)
Thinking something is wrong is wrong, but it is also right. What you have to understand is that from different viewpoints different things are wrong. Unless you believe in the idea of absolute truth in which case you won't agree with me. "Everything is true, for a given value of true" So although I believe that making value judgements is wrong, I also know making value judgements is right. So although I have to make a choice on what to do, I do so with the knowledge that I may/probably am making the wrong choice. I would recommend reading Terry Pratchett if you want a better explanation of this philosophy. Hacker Dan wrote: I dislike people who make spelling errors + Dyslexics make spelling errors = I dislike dyslexics I stated that I dislike people who make spelling errors through a lack of effort, if dyslexic people do not fall into this category then I am afraid that you are putting words into my mouth. Besides the vast majority of people who repeatedly make spelling errors are ones who do it due to a lack of effort. Therefore, my judging people on their spelling is correct more than it is wrong. Therefore, in my belief it provides me useful information and is a positive construct. You may disagree with this... The wonderful world of statistics means that your never really wrong or right. When I say: since this person appears to be making repeated spelling errors it is 90% likely that he is some one who just doesn't care about proper spelling, that is a correct statement(except for the statistic which was made up) Therefore, any conclusions based on this is 90% correct and is subject to change with the inclusion of additional information. (Note: the definition of gender of the person I'm talking to is also a statistical judgement) And I hope that you at least accept that some discrimination is necessary. For example: Firefighters in wheelchairs may not be particulary effective,blind people would have some problems being astronomers etc... |
Author: | lyam_kaskade [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:00 am ] |
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Boo-chan wrote: The wonderful world of statistics means that your never really wrong or right. When I say: since this person appears to be making repeated spelling errors it is 90% likely that he is some one who just doesn't care about proper spelling, that is a correct statement(except for the statistic which was made up) Therefore, any conclusions based on this is 90% correct and is subject to change with the inclusion of additional information. (Note: the definition of gender of the person I'm talking to is also a statistical judgement)
As I'm reading this, I'm wondering just how many people actually don't care about spelling errors. If they were putting it on say, a resume, then obviously that situation would warrant correct spelling, and they would make an effort to spell correctly. In a more casual situation, however, spelling errors wouldn't seem like a big deal to them. Furthermore, what would you think of a person who knows, say, two or three different languages, but English is their weakest language? Honestly, of all the possible traits someone could have that you could dislike someone for, not caring about spelling seems pretty weak to me. I think the real issue that the OP was talking about was people who spell "grammer" in sentences such as: Person: Windows be an inferior OS Person2: Windows is an inferior OS. Use proper grammer. |
Author: | Mazer [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:45 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Grammar not Grammer!!! |
Pwned wrote: Rawr!!! I've seen this error far too many times!!!
![]() Sorry, I think you meant to say "Rargh" or a similar word. "Rawr" is more of a weird feline sound effect. "Rargh" is a more accurate textual depiction of rage. Though it could just be me. ![]() Eg. "RAAAAAARRRGHHHhh! SHOCKER! I'LL CHASE YOU TO THE ENDS OF THE EARRRRRTH!" (-thwip!) ![]() |
Author: | Paul [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:51 am ] |
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I think it be humorous that the other dude signed up just to post 1 post. He must have been faced with humiliation from computer people before. I don't find most computer people lacking in social skills, only the really hardcore people maybe. But homeschooling is another story. Indeed this is a sticky issue ![]() |
Author: | rizzix [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:23 am ] |
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Boo-chan wrote: People who can't spell should use spellcheckers. And people who can spell use anti-spellchecks to misspell their words.. ![]() |
Author: | MihaiG [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:10 pm ] |
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rizzix wrote: Boo-chan wrote: People who can't spell should use spellcheckers. And people who can spell use anti-spellchecks to misspell their words.. ![]() and people who try to be smartass'(s) ... will be in a wheel chair ![]() |
Author: | rizzix [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:14 pm ] |
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what the hell is that supposed to mean.. |
Author: | Notoroge [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 3:17 pm ] |
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In other news, MACHO, MACHO MAAAAAAAAAN! I.. WANT TO BE.. A MACHO MAN! MACHO, MACHO MAAAAAAAAAN! I WANT TO BE A MACHO MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN! That is all. |
Author: | Aoi [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:22 pm ] |
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wow that last post was outta context and the rest of you are just being stupid! So what if dan can't spell that's his problem and has nothing to do with you fcukers out there! I mean is it gonna kill you just to see him spelling things wrong? if so please just jump off a building cuz I'm sure no one misses you anyway |
Author: | Notoroge [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:48 pm ] |
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Indeed. That was the point of my post, to get the conversation going Off Topic. I recommend going for a jog, that usually relieves some of the excess energy, consequently, stopping people from telling eachother to die in horrible fashions for saying stupid things that really shouldn't matter. ![]() |
Author: | wtd [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:21 pm ] |
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It doesn't help that english is a hideously complex language. |
Author: | Blade [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:22 pm ] |
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well, i think its just a pet peeve... being that most people spell grammar wrong.. kinda like how some people dont like it when people type there instead of their... but yeah i just read that post by dan on the first page, i can say its been a while since i read any of his posts... at first i thought he was getting better when he gets ranting i try to sound out the words but it doesnt work ![]() |
Author: | md [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:24 pm ] |
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Bananas. Big Jucy Bananas. Door, Door, Door, Tree. Smart like bull, strong like bunny. Really you guys are getting a little too far into this. Spelling and grammar are good, yes. But it's not worth getting so worked up about. Just relax and let it go... Pizza! Whipped cream pizza! |
Author: | Mr. T [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Alex's Opinion |
Wow I can't believe my thread would arouse such controversy. What I was getting at with my original post was that people were being hypocritical by correcting the "grammer" and spelling of others, yet they were unable to spell themselves. (Btw, for some grammar and spelling lessons, read up on www.maddox.xmission.com ![]() |
Author: | Mazer [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:37 pm ] |
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It doesn't bother me when people spell words incorrectly. It bothers me when people don't use actual words. The letter "u" never was, currently isn't, and for the love of all that is good never will be a short form for "you." Likewise for "ur" and "your"/"you're" and all of the other abominations. Reading that makes me so mad, I just... rrrRRRAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!! |
Author: | [Gandalf] [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:43 pm ] |
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Only spelling I care about is Gandalf not gandolf ![]() Really, for the sake of posting on a forum, it's only neccessary that what you are typing is readable. Does anyone here really care that something is spelt right/wrong on the internet? I can't see why you would. |
Author: | md [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:50 pm ] |
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argh! "u" and "ur" drive me nuts! How hard is it to type TWO MORE FREAKING CHARACTERS?! I mean I can understand typing "your" instead of "you're", I'm guilty of that myself; but "u" is not a word, it's a letter! "ur" is even worse! I mean I'm all for lazyness; hell I'm probalby the laziest person any of you will ever meet, but "u" and "ur" are just taking it too far. This is compsci, not AOL. |
Author: | Mazer [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:59 pm ] |
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Me, too! |
Author: | [Gandalf] [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:08 pm ] |
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i guess some ppl r more lazy than u seem to believe. ![]() |
Author: | Mr. T [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:13 pm ] |
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http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=aliens ![]() |
Author: | Notoroge [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:21 pm ] |
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Sh! Maddox is not to be spoken about on this website. Unless you want this thread to have 20 more pages on it (mostly flames) |
Author: | Mr. T [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:29 pm ] |
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I already envoked one of those flame wars against Maddox. http://www.compsci.ca/v2/viewtopic.php?t=9331&highlight=maddox Hopefully history won't repeat itself. ![]() |
Author: | md [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 8:29 pm ] |
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[Gandalf] wrote: i guess some ppl r more lazy than u seem to believe.
![]() No! Say it ain't so! Gandalf couldn't have fallen to the dark side! Oh the horror! People who type "u", "r", "ur", etc. are not lazy because it takes me more thought to actually type that instead of just "you". Really they are just annoying... I think maybe we should force people who type like they were AOLers to use AOL... now that would solve hte problem right quick ![]() |
Author: | rizzix [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 8:29 pm ] |
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lol u guys... funny stuff... continue please... this is entertaining.. |
Author: | Mazer [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:23 pm ] |
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NOooooooo! MARY JAAAAAAAAAAANE! |
Author: | Hikaru79 [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:38 pm ] |
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wut r u all yeling 4? |
Author: | Mr. T [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:11 pm ] |
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Hikaru79 wrote: wut r u all yeling 4?
For the heck of it. ![]() |
Author: | brenn [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:18 pm ] |
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I can't remember if English was my first language or not :S I do put in the effort to use proper spelling and grammar, though. Honestly, it seems nearly like a lost cause to some. So I shall use run-ons such as this one and insert ASCII faces everywhere xD |
Author: | lyam_kaskade [ Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:36 pm ] |
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Pwned wrote: Wow I can't believe my thread would arouse such controversy. What I was getting at with my original post was that people were being hypocritical by correcting the "grammer" and spelling of others, yet they were unable to spell themselves.
That's what I said! Bah. On a related topic, I read on the Straight Dope that english dyslexic people often have little trouble with chinese/japanese/etc languages (not based on an alphabet) and the reverse for chinese dyslexic people. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/050408.html Discuss. |
Author: | Dan [ Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:43 am ] |
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lyam_kaskade wrote: On a related topic, I read on the Straight Dope that english dyslexic people often have little trouble with chinese/japanese/etc languages (not based on an alphabet) and the reverse for chinese dyslexic people. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/050408.html I think this article is a bit off, you can not be dyslexic in one lang and not in anouter however there are difrent kinds of dyslexics and to difrent degreas. So to some english whould casue problems and to some japanes, ect whould. They are still booth dyselxic. The difrentece is the lang, see english and some asain langs use compely difrent system and logic to there writing. For exmaple japanes is syblols of the thing or photecialy spelling out the word if there is no sybole for it. As u may have notice my spelling is mostely photicaly put togther, so in thoery i whould be better at spelling in japaness. But the conculsion that you could be dyslexic in another lang or not dyslexic in a lang is a poor uses of this resreach. You are dyslexic or not, the diffrence here is it whould be harder to indenfity that you have dyslexica deepeding on the type that u have. Some types are more comabilital with english some more so with japaness. If you realy whont to find out if you are dyselxic there are tests that can be admistered by peoleop who have a docertet in educational pycogly that whould tell you desidite the languge. The only thing here is that ushely peoleop are not tested unless they show a problem with the langue there socity is using. |
Author: | Tony [ Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:50 am ] |
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Hacker Dan wrote: so in thoery i whould be better at spelling in japaness.
compsci.co.jp anyone? ![]() ![]() |
Author: | codemage [ Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:53 am ] |
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In anthropology and language sciences, there are two recognized approaches to grammar: Proscriptive grammar - which deems to set down specific, unbendable rules for spelling and syntax. Descriptive grammar - which deems to keep track of and describe the ways that grammar and spelling change over time. The latter is the new school system. Languages are living - they change. Words fall out of use - new words enter into use. New spellings are recognized - butchering the careful, reasoned etymology of their predecessors. Dialects crop up, and regional spelling often changes to reflect changes in these regional pronunciations. Essentially - it all comes down to communication. Different sets of syntax are often proscribed for different social or task sets. ie: I will use acronoyms BTW, IMHO, LOL etc. when online chatting, but I will not accept them on student essays, etc. |
Author: | Dan [ Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:05 pm ] |
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codemage, idk how u got the rank or newbcake, but i areage with u 100% on what u just side there. The use of such short forms online is logical in many ways, it costs less for the server and the clineite, it saves time and peoleop understant what you are saying. Just like contractions are used in noraml every day english thess new short forms are part of an allways evloving langue. Languge is not a static thing, it is allways chaging and evloing as socity chages and evloves. |
Author: | rizzix [ Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:55 am ] |
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cool... new words... *hurries up and updates the Dictionary of Dan* |
Author: | Mazer [ Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:32 am ] |
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You're keeping track? Sweet... |
Author: | person [ Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:49 pm ] |
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if someone types a word that starts and ends with the rite letters, it will be understood lkie tihs sentnence hree |
Author: | [Gandalf] [ Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:52 pm ] |
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Really? So what does strniueags mean? |
Author: | Mazer [ Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:54 pm ] |
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person wrote: if someone types a word that starts and ends with the rite letters, it will be understood
lkie tihs sentnence hree Say WHAT?! |
Author: | Hikaru79 [ Sat Oct 01, 2005 12:02 am ] |
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Coutsos wrote: person wrote: if someone types a word that starts and ends with the rite letters, it will be understood
lkie tihs sentnence hree Say WHAT?! Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. |
Author: | lyam_kaskade [ Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:34 am ] |
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Not ture. the wdors hvae to be agnraerd in a caiertn way, owhrisete the wodrs bemcoe dfuliifct to raed. At least, that's what I read somewhere. Of course, I can't check with that sentence, because I wrote it. Hmmm... |
Author: | Notoroge [ Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:30 am ] |
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Not ralely, the odrer desno't mtaetr. I'ts the God gvein attiurtbe taht alwlos us to utnndsaerd 1337 $p34|< |
Author: | Mazer [ Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:12 am ] |
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Stop being stupid, ya damn kids! Anyways, I was referring to "rite" which could only have meant "right", yet didn't have all of the necessary letters and didn't end wih the correct letter either. You lose, QED. |
Author: | Tony [ Sat Oct 01, 2005 3:34 pm ] |
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order doesn't matter? then.. [Gandalf] wrote: So what does strniueags mean?
![]() besides - what about words that contain the same letter sets, just in different orders? What about larger, more complex words? Wlhie tihs appraes to be cbhlmnprsieeoe... oh wait, really? Suddenly larger words are no longer as "comprehensible" as shorter words. |
Author: | Boo-chan [ Sat Oct 01, 2005 3:49 pm ] |
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Obviously, the solution is to use short words. Besides anything over 5 letters should be made into a short form. |
Author: | Notoroge [ Sat Oct 01, 2005 4:01 pm ] |
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Try another large word and don't say what the answer is to see if I can get it. Because I took one glance at it and knew what it was. ![]() |
Author: | person [ Sat Oct 01, 2005 4:20 pm ] |
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i also knew wat it was but the point is that minor spelling mistakes rnt gonna make the sentence incomprehensible |
Author: | [Gandalf] [ Sat Oct 01, 2005 4:27 pm ] |
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*cough* [Gandalf] wrote: So what does strniueags mean?
*cough* atipcaoilpn ancssoein mpitsenerrit pmoceernfars |
Author: | Tony [ Sat Oct 01, 2005 7:09 pm ] |
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Notoroge wrote: Try another large word and don't say what the answer is to see if I can get it.
how about cbdgmraie ? also post how long it takes you to figure this one out. |
Author: | Cervantes [ Sat Oct 01, 2005 7:21 pm ] |
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Quote: cambridge
It was the first thing I thought of, then took a few seconds to check that it was right. I read the word a few times today, actually. I'll bet that helped me to figure it out. |
Author: | Notoroge [ Sat Oct 01, 2005 8:22 pm ] |
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Damnit, now he won't believe me. No one post answers! ![]() |
Author: | Notoroge [ Sat Oct 01, 2005 8:26 pm ] |
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[Gandalf] wrote: *cough*
Application, ascension, misinterpret, performances.
[Gandalf] wrote: So what does strniueags mean?
*cough* atipcaoilpn ancssoein mpitsenerrit pmoceernfars Does it help that I'm good with anagrams? ![]() ![]() Update: signatures |
Author: | Cervantes [ Sat Oct 01, 2005 8:55 pm ] |
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Notoroge wrote: No one post answers!
Notoroge wrote: Application, ascension, misinterpret, performances.
... Update: signatures Hehe. Good job. Only four minutes between your posts, too! |
Author: | [Gandalf] [ Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:11 pm ] |
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Wow! Notoroge, that's amazing! ![]() ![]() |
Author: | Mazer [ Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:15 pm ] |
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Nvaetgie. |
Author: | brenn [ Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:18 pm ] |
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This is the version I have: Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer are in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe. Slightly different from the one Dan posted. *Oo; to "a research"* Oo; |
Author: | [Gandalf] [ Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:21 pm ] |
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Coutsos, "negative" ![]() |
Author: | [Gandalf] [ Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:26 pm ] |
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teruonedms sagrothe etuacicxirng cnedtoicianl |
Author: | Hikaru79 [ Sat Oct 01, 2005 11:16 pm ] |
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[Gandalf] wrote: teruonedms
sagrothe etuacicxirng cnedtoicianl Quote: tremendous shortage excruciating coincidental Okay, I'll be honest, I cheated -- http://zbreiten.netfirms.com/UnscramblerForm.html . The only one I saw by myself was excruciating (the 'x' makes it pretty identifiable). For the others, I'd say it would be virtually impossible for a human brain to automatically interpret it without any work. It would only work either for shorter words or IN CONTEXT. The reason the Cambridge university article is easy is because once we get the flow of the sentence, our brain could probably fill in half of those words even if they were missing altogether. Individually, by themselves, I doubt that 'sagrothe' means 'shortage' to anyone. |
Author: | Tony [ Sat Oct 01, 2005 11:40 pm ] |
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Hikaru79 -- for the sake of others, mask your answers ![]() and it wasn't Cambridge University behind this "research". Graham Rawlinson was doing PhD research on the subject at Nottingham University in 1976. source wrote: Rawlinson, G. E. (1976) The significance of letter position in word recognition. Unpublished PhD Thesis, Psychology Department, University of Nottingham, Nottingham UK. Now try to make out "The sprehas had ponits and patles" the answer is one of Matt's page wrote: The sherpas had pitons and plates. The shapers had points and pleats. The seraphs had pintos and petals. The sphaers had pinots and palets. The sphears had potins and peltas. Anyways, matt davis has some interesting things to point out. |
Author: | Hikaru79 [ Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:18 am ] |
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Tony wrote: Hikaru79 -- for the sake of others, mask your answers Oh, sorry! ![]() ![]() Tony wrote: Anyways, matt davis has some interesting things to point out. |
Author: | Notoroge [ Sun Oct 02, 2005 7:11 am ] |
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Coutsos wrote: Nvaetgie. Aerged.
Update: Heh... I just re-arranged the letters in the middle in notepad until it could be better understandable. Point is, "spork". |
Author: | Notoroge [ Sun Oct 02, 2005 7:35 am ] |
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Quote: 1) A vheclie epxledod at a plocie cehckipont near the UN haduqertares in Bagahdd on Mnoday kilinlg the bmober and an Irqai polcie offceir
That didn't prove anything. The only word I didn't get was "police", and that still didn't impede me from being able to read the rest of the text.
2) Big ccunoil tax ineesacrs tihs yaer hvae seezueqd the inmcoes of mnay pneosenirs 3) A dootcr has aimttded the magltheuansr of a tageene ceacnr pintaet who deid aetfr a hatospil durg blendur Although surprisingly enough, I caught it the second time. "plocie" was not legible whereas "polcie" was. Interesting... ![]() |
Author: | [Gandalf] [ Sun Oct 02, 2005 1:47 pm ] |
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I think it has to do with the way you sound out the letters in your head - polcie sounds a lot more like police, the arrangement of the letters is closer. As for the other three sentences, for the last two I got completely lost on a normal run through. I might get them if I spent more time on it, but it's not that easy (at least to me). |