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Author:	windowsall [ Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:46 pm ]
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Its not all that bad acctually its pretty good i tblocks all the pop ups and saved me from a couple mistakes needs work on the ui though im getting vista in a couple days anyone try it lately?

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Wed Aug 17, 2005 9:17 pm ]
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You know, this topic is just a few below yours, why not post there? http://www.compsci.ca/v2/viewtopic.php?t=9587 I will always stick to Firefox, its just good.

Author:	Amailer [ Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:31 am ]
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IT IS BAD, YOU KNOW WHAT IT DID?!!? I can't start my IE anymore! I can't uninstall IE and I can't even re-install it... SO hard to test stuff now o.O and some of M$ Updates are not working when I use the browser from the folders... Hates M$

Author:	Hikaru79 [ Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:12 am ]
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Amailer wrote: IT IS BAD, YOU KNOW WHAT IT DID?!!? I can't start my IE anymore! I can't uninstall IE and I can't even re-install it... SO hard to test stuff now o.O and some of M$ Updates are not working when I use the browser from the folders... Hates M$ It's a beta you shouldn't even have access to, why is it M$'s fault?

Author:	Martin [ Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:52 am ]
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zing!

Author:	Tony [ Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:10 am ]
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Amailer wrote: Hates M$ Switch to Mac <- your own hijacked thread.

Author:	Amailer [ Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:36 pm ]
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Hikaru79 wrote: Amailer wrote: IT IS BAD, YOU KNOW WHAT IT DID?!!? I can't start my IE anymore! I can't uninstall IE and I can't even re-install it... SO hard to test stuff now o.O and some of M$ Updates are not working when I use the browser from the folders... Hates M$ It's a beta you shouldn't even have access to, why is it M$'s fault? Because I can't reinstall it, or unisntall it ZING THAT... even if its beta it could happne to any version of IE -.- its just bs.

Author:	Notoroge [ Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:57 pm ]
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Did you try "Add/Remove Programs"? That's how I uninstalled the Beta.

Author:	Amailer [ Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:06 pm ]
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yup, of course lol there is no IE in there o.O

Author:	rdrake [ Sat Aug 20, 2005 11:29 am ]
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You've gotta check the box that says "Show Updates" and it'll be near the bottom. Just uninstall IE, then reboot and version 6 should be there.

Author:	Martin [ Sat Aug 20, 2005 11:50 am ]
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Bash Microsoft all you want, but bashing it because its BETA software doesn't work perfectly is retarded. Guess what? Nobody's beta works perfectly. That's why it's called beta. If it worked, it'd be retail.

Author:	Notoroge [ Sat Aug 20, 2005 12:04 pm ]
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Martin wrote: Bash Microsoft all you want, but bashing it because its BETA software doesn't work perfectly is retarded. Guess what? Nobody's beta works perfectly. That's why it's called beta. If it worked, it'd be retail.

Author:	wtd [ Sat Aug 20, 2005 3:17 pm ]
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Martin wrote: Bash Microsoft all you want, but bashing it because its BETA software doesn't work perfectly is retarded. Guess what? Nobody's beta works perfectly. That's why it's called beta. If it worked, it'd be retail. True, but there's still one possible avenue to bash Microsoft. Beta software, by definition, is supposed to feature complete, but potentially (quite) buggy. Microsoft has a habit of releasing "betas" that are missing features.

Author:	Martin [ Sat Aug 20, 2005 4:59 pm ]
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So Microsoft uses their own definition of beta. Judging a company by the quality of its beta software is stupid, however they define beta.

Author:	wtd [ Sat Aug 20, 2005 5:56 pm ]
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No, there is a widely accepted definition of "beta" with regards to software development. Microsoft, by not adhering to that is doing something wrong.

Author:	Martin [ Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:33 pm ]
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Why does it matter what Microsoft calls a beta? It's not like it's open source or anything, so adding features isn't a huge problem. Besides, Microsoft does a final build process between beta and retail.

Author:	wtd [ Sat Aug 20, 2005 6:55 pm ]
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Well, in the sense that no one really cares that much about what Microsoft is doing anymore, I guess it doesn't.

Author:	Martin [ Sat Aug 20, 2005 7:00 pm ]
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Of course not...

Author:	Hikaru79 [ Sat Aug 20, 2005 7:24 pm ]
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wtd wrote: Well, in the sense that no one really cares that much about what Microsoft is doing anymore, I guess it doesn't. I enjoy bashing Microsoft as much as the next guy, but I think there's gotta be a limit at some point. "No one really cares that much about what Microsoft is doing anymore" ... well, that's a pretty narrow definition of "no one".

Author:	Notoroge [ Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:29 pm ]
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Regardless. BETA is universally known as buggy almost-ready software. Even if IE7 was feature complete, and the Uninstall doesn't work, you have nothing to complain about (Unless, of course, it's a bug report)

Author:	wtd [ Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:44 pm ]
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Notoroge wrote: Regardless. BETA is universally known as buggy almost-ready software. Even if IE7 was feature complete, and the Uninstall doesn't work, you have nothing to complain about (Unless, of course, it's a bug report) In this case, I agree. I was referring to bashing Microsoft about other things. In particular, one could point out that the Vista "Beta" is hardly a beta, since Microsoft has admitted that features intended for the final release are absent.

Author:	Martin [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:23 am ]
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Beta has nothing to do with how many features are in the software. A company builds a piece of software, gets it into a semi-working state, and releases an alpha build. Bugs are uncovered and fixed. Beta build. And so on. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=beta%20software This arguement is stupid.

Author:	wtd [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:40 am ]
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Testers can't find bugs in features that aren't in the test release. A beta without all of the features is an alpha. The problem is that Microsoft is using the word "beta" to effectively deceive the public into thinking that their software is making more progress than it is. There's a good reason the vast majority of the computing world reserves the term "beta" for a test release that's feature complete. It lets customers get an accurate picture of the progress being made.

Author:	Cervantes [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:17 am ]
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Google doesn't seem to use the definition of "Beta" that you describe, wtd. GMail is considered beta, and yet every so often the "new features" link will appear and tell you what they've just added. I just logged into my gmail account and discovered that GMail is now accessable in 12 more languages. Previous new features include rich text formatting, support for more browsers, and POP access and automatic forwarding. http://mail.google.com/mail/help/whatsnew.html

Author:	Notoroge [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:09 pm ]
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I set <a href="http://www.opera.com/">Opera</a> to auto-check for e-mail on Gmail every 10 minutes through POP access.

Author:	timmytheturtle [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:42 pm ]
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Notoroge wrote: I set <a href="http://www.opera.com/">Opera</a> to auto-check for e-mail on Gmail every 10 minutes through POP access. Thats what I've Opera do to, except it checks every 15 minutes.

Author:	Notoroge [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:23 pm ]
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I do it because of CompSci. I don't even use that account, I guess it's all it's there for. Whenever new posts appear I get the little pop-up.

Author:	wtd [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:54 pm ]
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Cervantes wrote: Google doesn't seem to use the definition of "Beta" that you describe, wtd. GMail is considered beta, and yet every so often the "new features" link will appear and tell you what they've just added. I just logged into my gmail account and discovered that GMail is now accessable in 12 more languages. Previous new features include rich text formatting, support for more browsers, and POP access and automatic forwarding. http://mail.google.com/mail/help/whatsnew.html Web-based services are a murky area, where the term "beta" is concerned (it's often so frickin' easy to add features without compromising other progress) , and no, Microsoft is not the only offender, just a rather notable one.

Author:	Homer_simpson [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:47 pm ]
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here's a method that'll work for sure if u got xp. try restoring your computer back to a previous date. boot computer in safe mode and go to restore to an earlier date option.

Author:	Martin [ Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:14 am ]
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So basically wtd: Microsoft counts and Google doesn't because..ahh..the internet is different? Or just web applications...? Or...? So what IS the definition of beta software? Doesn't this mean that Firefox is also in beta, since they're adding new features? Or Windows XP or OSX or Linux for that matter? What software isn't beta then besides old software that nobody needs (and hence is no longer updated)?

Author:	Notoroge [ Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:31 am ]
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So, uh, anyone like my new avatar? It's frekin' awsome.

Author:	wtd [ Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:50 am ]
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Yes yes, I'm a crackpot with no idea what I'm talking about. y experience obviously hasn't given me any insights into how things work, and how they should work.

Author:	Neo [ Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:38 am ]
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Notoroge wrote: So, uh, anyone like my new avatar? It's frekin' awsome. I like britney spears better.

Author:	Martin [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:34 am ]
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Okay wtd, then I need definitions here: 1. Beta. 2. Feature-complete.

Author:	Mazer [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:06 pm ]
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I can't believe this has fewer negative responses than such avatars as:

Author:	md [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 11:47 pm ]
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GHA!!!! Quick someone with admin privilges get rid of it quick! My eyes are burning!

Author:	Martin [ Sat Aug 27, 2005 10:00 am ]
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http://www.google.com/talk/about.html Read point 15. So Google and Microsoft both don't follow this beta convention. Who actually does?

Author:	1of42 [ Sun Sep 11, 2005 2:15 pm ]
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Martin wrote: http://www.google.com/talk/about.html Read point 15. So Google and Microsoft both don't follow this beta convention. Who actually does? Yeah, but come on Martin, Microsoft is eeeeevil... When they do something, it's automatically gotta have major flaws with it. Google, on the other hand, is awesome. Let's quickly overlook the common issues between the 2. </sarcasm>

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