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=OFFICIAL COMPSCI.CA STARCRAFT TOPIC=

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Fri May 20, 2005 12:19 am ]
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THIS IS NOW THE OFFICIAL STARCRAFT TOPIC FOR COMPSCI.CA

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Fri May 20, 2005 12:28 am ]
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oh and by "more then one human player at a time" i ment on battlenet of course lol

Author:	Notoroge [ Fri May 20, 2005 7:16 am ]
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Elaborate. What do you mean by "only one human player at a time"? And, is there any way to reproduce this error? If it's something really technical, I suggest doing what Tech Support always tell you to do first, reinstall the game. After that, if the problem persists, contact them and tell them that you've already tried reinstalling it. Because guaranteed that's the first response you'll get.

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Fri May 20, 2005 7:49 am ]
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Me = used to play starcraft 3 hours a day . You could try contacting tech support, but first try and solve the problem by yourself. The simplest explanation for this problem would be that you only have a 2 player map, or just one that supports 2 human players. Also, another basic explanation would be that you have some sort of weird team settings, try changing that to "melee". It could be that you are playing an only "use map settings" map, so the teams are locked. If those are not your problem, and you are sure it is not just a simple misunderstanding/setting problem then you would have to "elaborate" or contact tech support. Oh, and also make sure you have no mods or hacks for the game. Oh, and also check if you have the most recent version (last I remember it was 1.12b or something).

Author:	Hikaru79 [ Fri May 20, 2005 4:04 pm ]
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Are you sure you're not running the "Spawned" version or whatever it was called? If I recall correctly, that was one of the restrictions on that version of Starcraft -- you could only have one human opponent at a time.

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Fri May 20, 2005 9:58 pm ]
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nah its not the spawned version and i have tried reinstalling it like 10 times hahaha thats y i have no idea whats going on oh and by one human player i ment when it ry 2 play over battlenet with friends it will only let me play with one friend at a time. it will let me play with as many comps as i like but only 1 person its very wierd

Author:	Notoroge [ Fri May 20, 2005 10:09 pm ]
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What exactly happens? As in, does it crash? Is there an error? When you make a game, can only one person join and it says "You can't join this player's game" to anyone else? I don't get the error you're getting. Have any screenshots of this error?

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Fri May 20, 2005 10:37 pm ]
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what happens is it says the latency of the game creator is too high but both my comp and my friends comps can run starcraft just fine and it shuldnt b lagging us out i could take a screen shot if u want lol

Author:	Notoroge [ Fri May 20, 2005 10:38 pm ]
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Teehee, do you have a router? I think I know what the problem is.

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Fri May 20, 2005 10:39 pm ]
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lol nope no router, should i have a router

Author:	Notoroge [ Fri May 20, 2005 10:42 pm ]
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Hm, well, do you have a firewall? I used to get these same errors, but it was because of my router. This might apply to you though, never know. http://www.blizzard.com/support/?id=msi0445p

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Fri May 20, 2005 10:42 pm ]
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lol yea i have a firewall

Author:	Notoroge [ Fri May 20, 2005 10:44 pm ]
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Read that page then. It should fix the problem.

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Fri May 20, 2005 10:45 pm ]
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lol im currently reading it but its really confuzzling hahaha i have noo00oo00oo idea what they are saying when it comes 2 how 2 fix it for the xp firewall

Author:	Notoroge [ Fri May 20, 2005 10:48 pm ]
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Just read them carefully. They're pretty detailed. Either way, I'm going to sleep right now. It's nap time. I'll check this thread in the morning. That should fix that problem though. It did for me. Before, no one ever joined my games, and everyone did join my friends'. Eventually I opened those ports, and all the games I make get flooded with people joining them now. So, yeah. Hope it does the same for you.

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Fri May 20, 2005 10:49 pm ]
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haha oic kk ty im still fiddling with it right now so ill probly b up all night with it haha but ty again if it works u will b my hero hahah

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Sat May 21, 2005 8:31 pm ]
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Oh, I had a similar problem. On a 2Ghz+ comp, cable internet, and unblocked ports, nobody ever join my games, since it said "latency is too high". I had no idea why, one or two times, after waiting 4 hours with the game on 1 person joined, but it kept happening. My friend even joined my game once. Anyway, after listening to my detailed explanation, I am happy to say, the problem continues to this day . And the funny (not really) thing is, the game ran on that computer good for a while, then it just stopped. The only explanation is maybe some update messed something up? I had two other, slower, computers, that ran it just fine - so I stuck with playing on them. Ya... So, good luck with solving your problem , I spent a long, long time trying to fix the one I had.

Author:	Lazarus [ Sat May 21, 2005 8:39 pm ]
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To open the ports needed for the game, go to start, settings, control panel, windows firewall, click the exceptions tab, click on add port, name it what ever you want, and the ports are listed on the page that you're confused on, make sure you change it to UDP first. If it was your firewall you wouldn't be able to connect to battlenet at all, not just be able to make a 1vs1 game. So opening ports on your firewall is kinda pointless, although you DO need to do it in order to play in the first place with windows XP anyways.

Author:	Lazarus [ Sat May 21, 2005 8:42 pm ]
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by the way, latince(spelling?) has nothing to do with the speed of your computer, it's the speed of your connection.. This is a common misconception. If you're on dial-up then you will have a high lat, try turing off some internet related programs running (p2p programs for example). Another big thing that slows down your connection is spyware, get rid of all of it, or you will have a high lat rate. Sorry about the double post.

Author:	md [ Sat May 21, 2005 10:12 pm ]
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Lazerus brings up a good point; so what if you have cable internet, if you've maxed out your total upstream bandwidth then your gonna lag no matter what. Same for down, but that's a bit harder to do... If your running p2p stuff, or bittorrent stuff make sure you limit the total upload to be small enough not to use up all your upstream bandwidth; with rogers highspeed extreme (800kb/s up) I limit it to 10 or 15 KB/s cause more is to much to even browse to the web at decent speeds.

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Sat May 21, 2005 10:23 pm ]
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Well, I know... The point is, it worked before. If you are talking to me, that is. I had no spyware, no blocked ports, no programs running in the baground, no bittorrent, I had a more than good enough internet to run much more demanding games, more than good enough computer, experience with the game, and no router at the time. lets out breath Bittorrent is a killer for online playing though, thats more than true enough. I call it the internet "clogger" hehe. When I get a 80 ping normally in ET (check sig) with BT I usually get at least 500, if not 999. To play that game decently with BT on, I have to limit it to ya, 10/20 kbps. I don't know about web surfing though, if I have a, say, 70kbps download, and 20 kbps upload, I can web browse well enough (and, for me, that's having around 20 tabs open at once )

Author:	md [ Sun May 22, 2005 1:10 am ]
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Just to give people an idea of how much bandwidth you can use without knowing here's a quick look: let's go with rogers highspeed since they offer the highest bandwidth in a comsumer level connection; 800kilobits/s == 80 kilobytes/s up. I've done some basic networked game code and the amount of data sent can get quite high, easily 10Kb/s in a busy map. Now factor in bit torrent at another 10Kb/s, plus some overhead if you have a router 1Kb/s; Oh, and don't forget MSN and any other chat programs you have (another 1Kb/s). So now we're at 22Kb/s, now this is only a quater of our total bandwidth, but lets say there is another user now we're at 44Kb/s, just over half our total. The problem now is that each packet wants to get where it's going as fast as possible, but since a lot of them are release in close proximity, it creates a traffic jam as it were and everything get's slowed down just a bit. The same goes for incoming packets; takes a bit to figure out where their going! Now let's say your browsing the web instead of playing a game. Firefox and all other browsers work on the principal that fast is best, so they don't limit their usage. Now an http get request isn't that big, but the overhead of establishing a connection can add up when you have to connect to 8 different servers to get all the pictures and adds and content of a particular page. Multiply that by 10 or 20 for all those tabs and it's quite a bit. When I was at university I didn't have my downlaods of BT capped at all, and my uplaod was about 10Kb/s; on average I used about 35GB of bandwidth a month, and about 50-200Kb/s most of the time. This is a lot of bandwidth, and all I was doing was getting a little music and a few movies! plus it's important to keep in mind that the more of your bandwidth you use the higher your ping will get, and it get's higher exponentially; so when your playing games, keep background tasks to a minimum for the least lag.

Author:	Notoroge [ Sun May 22, 2005 2:19 pm ]
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Opening the ports is essential to hosting Starcraft, Diablo, or Warcraft III games. Just thought I should point this out. You can join games no problem if you have those ports blocked, but to host it's another problem. It all has to do with the way the protocol is setup. Which is the same reason for why if one person is lagging, everyone else in the game lags. Because the host (game creator), makes sure that all other players are synchronized. Eitherway, yeah... you have to open the Windows XP firewall for these games to work properly. You initially didn't have to worry about this. But as soon as SP2 came along, this because the issue. Could this by why your Starcraft was working fine but stopped working out of no-where?

Author:	Notoroge [ Sun May 22, 2005 2:27 pm ]
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Cornflake, yes. But it's just plain stupidity to play anything while you have all that stuff running at the same time and expect no lag. It's common sense. I have a 5Mbit connection, and I turn off all file-transfers when playing something like Star-Craft (unless it's single player). I get around 650Mb/s down and 150Mb/s up on this connection. If that bandwidth is running exclusively for Star-Craft and there's still lag, then your problem is other than the connection speed (or usage thereof). In my case, it was the ports. I fixed them, never had another problem again. Then again, for different people there could be different problems. But usually this is the case. Try running eMule with the appropriate ports blocked. You'll get really low UIDs, and really shitty connections. Open those ports and watch everything fly. eMule still works, just very poorly. Same goes for Star Craft. It'll still run just fine, but don't expect it to run at it's full potential (or well for that matter).

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Sun May 22, 2005 2:53 pm ]
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First, just to clear this up, I did have the ports open, for battle.net and for Starcraft. Second, something else - later on, quite a bit after nobody could join my games, I stopped being able to join other peoples games. Well, really, I could join them, but I was always the one lagging the other people out. Both times I looked into the problem quite a bit, but even turning off the firewall and unblocking the needed ports on the router didn't help. Most of the time, I even had nothing running in the background, no browser, no BT, no p2p, nothing except task manager. The problem was not SP2, since this was much before that. Quote: Try running eMule with the appropriate ports blocked. You'll get really low UIDs, and really shitty connections. Open those ports and watch everything fly. eMule still works, just very poorly. Same goes for Star Craft. It'll still run just fine, but don't expect it to run at it's full potential (or well for that matter). Hmm, ya, same thing is true for Shareaza, it works with the ports blocked, but it will run really slowly and take long to connect. From everything, it really does look like the problem was my ports, but I am positive I had everything unblocked.

Author:	Notoroge [ Sun May 22, 2005 2:56 pm ]
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Did you open the ports in both TCP and UDP mode?

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Sun May 22, 2005 3:05 pm ]
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Yup, just to be sure, I opened all the necessary ports in both.

Author:	Notoroge [ Sun May 22, 2005 3:15 pm ]
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Maybe you just have one insane packet loss problem? Did you open them in both the built in WinXP firewall (TCP/UDP) and the router?

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Sun May 22, 2005 3:29 pm ]
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Well, maybe, but this was a strictly starcraft problem. I had the xp firewall disabled at that time, but both my other firewall and the router were unblocked.

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Sun May 22, 2005 5:03 pm ]
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hmm its wierd iv done everything that has been posted and nothing is working i think my version of brood war is messed or sumthing damn it all lol wel if anyone comes up with any grand ideas on how 2 make this work lemmie know cause i would like to be able to play with more then one person at a time sometime soon

Author:	md [ Sun May 22, 2005 7:56 pm ]
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ping a bnet server and see what the resonse times are, if they're not huge then it's a starcraft problem, otherwise it's a network problem

Author:	zylum [ Mon May 23, 2005 12:21 am ]
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i have a similar problem... i can play multi player no problem. i can also play 1v1 with my friend on my home network using a router. but when i want to play with my friend on my network and people online, then it lags like mad. in all instances im playing through bnet. obviously its something to do with my network. i unblocked all the ports on my router (before i was unable to play sc at all) and i disabled my firewall on my XP machine. the other computer is running on win 98... my router is a brand new dlink. any ideas?

Author:	Lazarus [ Mon May 23, 2005 6:18 pm ]
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Quote: Cornflake ping a bnet server and see what the resonse times are, if they're not huge then it's a starcraft problem, otherwise it's a network problem I would have to say this is correct, if you get 4 good packets back from bnet though, get a trusted friend to ping your IP with your firewall OFF. Make sure it's not from an other computer on your network. If your packet loss is more than 1, it's a problem with your network/firewall. Also is your router Wireless? If it is, it may have an internal firewall that you will have to open the appropriate ports to.

Author:	md [ Mon May 23, 2005 9:02 pm ]
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it doesn't matter if it's a wireless router or not, if it's a internet connection sharing type router with built in NAT and firewall then you defintily have to forward the ports on it too

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Tue May 24, 2005 1:51 am ]
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so0o0o0o basically just ping the bnet server and get my friend 2 ping moi? lol

Author:	MihaiG [ Tue May 24, 2005 7:27 pm ]
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i am the unofficial cannon staking master!!!!!!!! w00t unfortunetly that was only before i lost my SC:BW cd

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Tue May 24, 2005 7:50 pm ]
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At the risk of making this a Starcraft topic, I must reply. Cannon stalking is a noobish (hehe) strategy, when you don't even know how to rush with units. thinking back to the good ol starcraft days Ya, those were the fools, a no rush for 10 minutes game, and what? they zergling rush you. You can handle that, but what? your ally is now allied with the rushing guy... Ahh yes, fond memories Too bad my account with a 220-60 record got deleted since I didn't play for too long...

Author:	jamonathin [ Wed May 25, 2005 8:08 am ]
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Starcraft was PwN@g3. I remember playing all of those UMS games. Turret Defence/Mixed Defence was pretty sweet, and so was Dodge the Rapist, Vulture Tag, E V O L V E S, Marine Defence (one with the 6 players and different levels of guys) and some others, can't think of any more off the top of my head. But for Melee, BGH - original and edited, and Zero Clutter 3v3 were pretty sweet. Ah, memories. . .

Author:	Notoroge [ Wed May 25, 2005 8:25 am ]
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Cannon stalking is a great strategy if ytou know how to do it right. As well, why join no-rush games? Screw that, if you're truly elite you can take a rush, and then some.

Author:	Amailer [ Wed May 25, 2005 8:31 am ]
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Starcraft... ah. Addicting game, used to play it ALOT... and during the summers I sometimes never slept but most of the time I was chatting rather then playing :S (Bots... so much fun ). Anyhow It got boring after spamming and Bnet started to ban accounts and hackers and etc... so yeah it was good but now its just so damm OLD yet Its awsome game to play (I played it recently).

Author:	Notoroge [ Wed May 25, 2005 9:10 am ]
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I play it all the time. Although, why would you care if Blizzard started bannind hackers and spammers? You don't have and spam do you? Er, yeah... I play a lot. But I don't play UMS / Money Maps. The Hunters / BGH / Lost Temple all the way.

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Thu May 26, 2005 12:20 am ]
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If you are truly elite then you can play any map at all and do good. That's my point. I know tons of people who think that only BGH games are for pro's, but the fact is, they are two different game types. Personally, BGH games were pretty good for competition, but any 3v3 or FastestPossible map is fun to play with massing, etc. Once you have everyone massed, it involves not the BGH type clickfast build properly strategy, but a where do you attack? flank type strategy. Personally, the people who I really, really hated were the ones who join your "1v1 nr15" game, then rush you, and say "well, nr is for noobs anyways". That's retarded, if you thought that, then why join the game? Another classic was "oh, sorry, I though that mean 'no rules for 15 minutes'" oh yea, those were the days. I really do have quite a bit of thoughts about this game. It comes with playing it for some 5/6 years. I only played a bit of UMS games, made a few myself, but didn't play them too often. I hated it when people thought they were better than you at the game when they used some bug on the map and beat you. UMS games, IMO now, do not require the skill that melee games do.

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Thu May 26, 2005 4:50 am ]
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hahaha whoa man this went from my simple question (well not so simple but w/e) to a starcraft reunion for most of you lmao but this got me 2 thinking and i remembered starcraft 2 is coming

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Notoroge [ Thu May 26, 2005 6:58 am ]

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'Star Craft 2' will come out eventually, some blizzard dude said. But right now it's not being worked on. Are you reffering to 'Star Craft: Ghost'? The game looks decent, at best. I'm kinda ticked off that it's not being released for PC, at least not as of yet.

But anyways, I'm not saying that I think you're a 'nube' for playing UMS ('Cat & Mouse' / 'Sunken Deffence v10' were always my favourites) or that playing 'Money Maps' is bad. They're fun, but they don't require the skill and strategy that's involved in standard maps. Let's do a quick comparison of preparing an attack in 'Fastest' using Protoss in FFA mode, and BGH:

Fastest:

Setup mineral income
Setup gateways / forge
Setup gas income / create seven zealots / Create Cybernetics core
Spread zealots accross map; one zealot to each potential base
Start making mad goons / upgradd (while above step is going on)
Once base is detected, 'Unleash the Fury'.

BGH:

Setup mineral income
Setup two pylons / Forge / gateway / Cybernetics core; in that order
Create seven zealots and scan the map
Prepare deffence
Expand base by one mineral patch / Geyser every 10 - 15 minutes or else you run out of resources; while defending both old base and new vulnerable base
Attempt head on attack or clever, minimal, covert attacks; as the former rarely works.

I'm ending this list prematurely because I have 3 minutes to get to class. But in summation, I find my BGH games drag on longer, and people are inspired more to try out neat strategy tricks in order to save their resources and create the most damage possible. BGH is where you really see strategy come into play, not just a 'mass and attack'.

In conclusion, both are fun. I just prefer the former. Wink

Author:	Andy [ Thu May 26, 2005 8:48 am ]
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see thats why i dont like money maps much because people use the same strategy over and over again.. where as for temple or hunters, you have to constantly adjust your strategy according to your enemies... it makes the game much more challenging and force it to be a true rts

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Thu May 26, 2005 1:25 pm ]
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yea i agree pplz use same strats for $ maps Lt is better like u said lol

Author:	zylum [ Thu May 26, 2005 3:15 pm ]
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i dont understand why so many of you think bgh is not a money map. it is a money map! it's almost at the same caliber as fastest except that the resources are spread out and arent as close to the base. i mean there are 50k minerals at each mineral cluster and 2-4 geysers. the only main difference between bgh and fastest is that the terrain is different and you get cash slightly slower... anywho, i really like blood bath, lost temple and the hunters

Author:	Amailer [ Thu May 26, 2005 3:21 pm ]
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Whats wrong with money maps? Makes the game mroe intresting to me (at least).

Author:	AsianSensation [ Thu May 26, 2005 4:33 pm ]
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I personally like Nostalgia, Lost Temple (the fixed one), Guillotine and some of the other WGT and PGT maps. When people play BGH, they just turtle, because their minerals don't run out that quickly. It's a completely garbage map. Money maps are very garbage, as most of them don't emphasize on the microing and strategical part of starcraft.

Author:	Notoroge [ Thu May 26, 2005 5:29 pm ]
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Yeah, I did that to save time typing. I was reffering to "The Hunters".

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Fri May 27, 2005 10:38 am ]
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wow this topic really struck a chord with alot of people lol i was only looking for help not 2 start an entire argument about money maps (which are not as good as Lt hehe) but oh wel its entertaining

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Fri May 27, 2005 3:32 pm ]
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omg, bad day, bad day... I was posting another one of my lengthy responses , and my computer overheats, shuts down. Ill post a summarizeder version. Notorage, you described my fastest strategy perfectly, just maybe add some arbiters if the game is going longer. The thing is, I dont find this to be a common strategy, most people mass carriers, or just send some random units in. Sometimes, to make the game more interesting, I might mass reavers instead. What most people refer to as BGH games are the official starcraft maps, that come with the game and have the 'official' checkmark beside them. BGH games do involve more strategy type playing. The thing is, money maps dont ignore the microing and strategy parts of the game. Microing, in many games can mean winning or losing. What happens to me a lot is the opponent has more units, goons say, twice as much say, and I am the one who actually did the micromanagement, and I win. In team games, strategy can play a large part in who wins, especially in games where everyone has maxed out units. submits to avoid loss I find that BGH maps dont drag on longer. If you are playing a long game, and all the resources are used up, then the game turns into a sort of scrimage, and then ends. I usually (when I have time) try to go for longer games, adds an extra 'funness' part. My final thoughts: It all depends on who you are playing with. So, anyone up for a "reunion" game of Starcraft? Maybe make a compsci clan? I might be a bit rusty, but what the hey... [-EDIT-] Wow, that turned out to be pretty long, and keep in mind this was the 'shortened' version .

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Fri May 27, 2005 6:46 pm ]
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that was the short version? w0w lol haha a compsci clan would b cool

Author:	Notoroge [ Sat May 28, 2005 9:23 am ]
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We actually should. I have a few bots I can setup to have a channel running 24/7. Now the only problem would be if that channel would be as empty as the unnoficial IRC channel. I've been there, it's pretty solitary. In my opinion, CompSci.ca should have a gaming category. Gaming and programmers go well together, like frijoles with tortillas.

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Sat May 28, 2005 10:51 pm ]
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True about the gaming section, maybe, just maybe in v3... I don't know, do we have enought sc, or at least battle.net players? Dylan, how about editing the topic and adding a poll, something like: Which is true? I play starcraft. I play some other battle.net game. I don't play either. Or somethign along those lines...

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Sun May 29, 2005 12:44 am ]
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hmm good idea ill get on that lol and im 2 tired 2 think of any thing else to put so ill use your idea

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Sun May 29, 2005 12:48 am ]
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allthough i just realized i duno how 2 edit the topic itself lol thats right im a n00b 8) lmao

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Sun May 29, 2005 1:00 am ]
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Do you at least know how to edit a post? You could have . To edit a topic created by yourself, just edit the first post you made. Though I forgot that you can't add polls to your topics after creating them , I'm spending too much time on different forums... You'll have to ask a mod for that.

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Sun May 29, 2005 1:02 am ]
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haha ooo ok ok yea i know how 2 edit your own post i just didnt know if u could add a poll or not guess not tho lol should i just create a new topic might b easier lol

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Sun May 29, 2005 1:10 am ]
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ya, maybe =Official Compsci.ca Starcraft Topic= hehe... Well, I would have all these great posts of mine (and other peoples, as a side note ) to have gone to waste...

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Mon May 30, 2005 11:22 am ]
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haha yea thats true so we could always stay here on this topic if u wanted to but if u wana move it i think =Official Compsci.ca Starcraft Topic= would be a cool topic name

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Mon May 30, 2005 11:23 am ]
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its up to you guys really lol if u wanna make a new topic then ill make it with a poll i guess but if not then we can stay here and just start talking about the clan and such instead of all the bnet problems

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Mon May 30, 2005 3:38 pm ]
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Please, please don't double post like that, its not like you're bumping the topic or anything. Just edit your post! For now, you can just edit the first post and change the title . So, some sc anyone?

Author:	Amailer [ Mon May 30, 2005 5:05 pm ]
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There are better games you know? I got back to playing AA (I know totally diffrent type of game but still). Its a free game, download if you have time and try it

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Mon May 30, 2005 8:49 pm ]
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On that note, the game in my sig - Wolfenstein : Enemy Territory is a world war 2 online fps. It's also free, and I think it's more fun than AA. Look it up on google, it actually has quite a big community, and its moddable since the source code was released. Yes, I do know other games, but its still pretty fun going back to a classic occasionally.

Author:	Notoroge [ Tue May 31, 2005 7:15 am ]
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If we're going to get into first person shooters, that'd might-aswell be QuakeIIIArena, or Counter-Strike. But c'mon, it's the mother of all strategy games. If you concider yourself a RTS player and haven't played StarCraft, you're full of it. Or we could all play World of Warcraft on an, ahem, "<a href="http://www.abcwow.net/"><i>Unofficial</i></a>" server with an "<a href="http://w1.isohunt.com/torrents.php?ihq=World+of+Warcraft&ext=&op=and"><i>Unofficial</i></a>" copy of the game.

Author:	jamonathin [ Tue May 31, 2005 7:43 am ]
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Hey gj Notorage. My friend always plays that game and I wanna see what's so good about it, gj with the links

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Tue May 31, 2005 2:18 pm ]
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can the dl's b trusted from there? lol EDIT ---> Hokay i added a poll and changed the title and hey look i edited lol i dont usually edit cause im so used 2 just clicking post reply

Author:	Notoroge [ Tue May 31, 2005 2:31 pm ]
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That's exactly how I got / play my copy. And they do work / can be trusted. And if not, download it and scan with an anti-virus. Mine didn't pick anything up, and when a torrent such as the first one that shows up in that list is well seeded, that's a good sign. Unlike KaZaA. Download World.of.Warcraft-iNVASION. It's the copy that I have. The actual ripped retail CDs. Then just download the updates off of worldofwarcraft.com to play on that server.

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Tue May 31, 2005 2:34 pm ]
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lol k so just downloading the first version of it would be best then? EDIT ---> Wait what do i open it with? lol

Author:	Notoroge [ Tue May 31, 2005 5:09 pm ]
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WinRAR?

Author:	Bacchus [ Tue May 31, 2005 5:10 pm ]
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I think he means BitTorrent

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Tue May 31, 2005 10:05 pm ]
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Question: What Is Everyones Fav/Best Race In Sc?

Author:	lyam_kaskade [ Tue May 31, 2005 10:08 pm ]
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Terrans. Because, I am one.

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Tue May 31, 2005 10:58 pm ]
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lmao good point

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:32 am ]
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But hey, WoW sucks too, again IMO... Noticing something? Every MMORPG has it's 'free private servers', which no doubt go down sooner or later (usually sooner) for one reason or another... First I played Terrans (like all noobs), then I played zerg (who could resist guardians), then I played protoss (powerful), then I played terrans (bc's), then I played zerg (mass units), and finally I stuck with mainly protoss (ownage race with best units). The favourite strategy which I found out? With zerg, building nydus canal in the other persons base. Wow, I really freaked when I learned that one (from experience :/) - I was like: "NO WAY! that can't be right! You're not supposed to be able to build on someone else's creep!!" .

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:59 am ]
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lol yea i ended up sticking with toss aswell but then not for some maps lol it depends on which map im on and also the strat i plan on using but yea toss is a fun race 2 b ( and yea i had that happen when i was noob, the whole nydus canal thing lol )

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Wed Jun 01, 2005 12:01 pm ]
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See, problem is: I'm good with toss now, but I am feeling bored of playing with them for soo long (well, not anymore - I took a long sc break/ stopped playing) that I would like to try to play with other races, but I'm not as good with em. Yeah...

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Wed Jun 01, 2005 12:05 pm ]
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lol so practise up with terran or zerg and learn new strats then you wont havta use toss so much thats what i did i actually used toss first instead of terran and then worked my way into the game from there EDIT --> Also you could always play vs. noobs for a bit hehehe

Author:	zylum [ Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:13 pm ]
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[Gandalf] wrote: What most people refer to as BGH games are the official starcraft maps, that come with the game and have the 'official' checkmark beside them. uh, no. bgh stands for big game hunters which is an unofficial map. its just a modified version of hunters so it has more cash. if you enter any game with bgh in its name, the map will be big game hunters not LT or any other official map. anyhoo, i've recently started playing sc again.. i'd be up for joining a clan

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:01 pm ]
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Sure, as soon as I get the will to go pick up my starcraft cd... What I meant is people usually associate "bgh games" with "pro games" which isn't neccessarily true. Also, people think that bgh is an official map when it's not... Quote: if you enter any game with bgh in its name, the map will be big game hunters not LT or any other official map. No, see that's the thing, I often see games "{_BGH_} 2v2 LT Cable!!". Also, it's not that I "suck" with the other races, but I'm just less "good" with them. That's to say I'm any "good" with any race after my little break .

Author:	zylum [ Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:54 pm ]
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[Gandalf] wrote: What I meant is people usually associate "bgh games" with "pro games" which isn't neccessarily true. Also, people think that bgh is an official map when it's not... Quote: if you enter any game with bgh in its name, the map will be big game hunters not LT or any other official map. No, see that's the thing, I often see games "{_BGH_} 2v2 LT Cable!!". that's the most retarded thing i have ever seen . In all the years i've been playing starcraft i dont recall any game names like that. where's the logic? BGH stands for big game hunters, LT stands for lost temple, BB is for blood bath. why mix them? thats like putting "{_Big Game Hunters_} 2v2 Lost Temple Cable!!" or "{_LT_} 2v2 BB Dial Up!!"

Author:	jamonathin [ Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:54 pm ]
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Bacchus wrote: I think he means BitTorrent BitComet owns BitTorrent

Author:	AsianSensation [ Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:09 pm ]
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I think Big Games Hunter is sanctioned by Blizzard as a legitimate map because it was so popular. I think someone mentioned this before, if there is that Blizzard logo beside it, then it's the official version. That's why LT was fixed on version 1.12, because too many Neogamei, WTG, PGT LTs were coming out. Also, starcraft is one of the games that's actually really balanced. I think that's why people still play to this day. as for race, I play Terran only. Because Terran still pwnz. No wonder SlayerS_'Boxer' is Terran. Pro Koreans ownage.

Author:	Notoroge [ Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:14 pm ]
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[Gandalf] wrote: First I played Terrans (like all noobs) "Terran" for "noobs"? Are you on crack? Protoss is a newb race, just because it is so frekin' powerful and easy to use. Terrans are, in my opinion, the most difficult race to play with. Specially when playing against Protoss. But then again, that's just MHO

Author:	Bacchus [ Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:01 pm ]
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jamonathin wrote: Bacchus wrote: I think he means BitTorrent BitComet owns BitTorrent I meant just a Torrent Client, myself I use Azureus.

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:38 pm ]
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Notoroge wrote: [Gandalf] wrote: First I played Terrans (like all noobs) "Terran" for "noobs"? Are you on crack? Protoss is a newb race, just because it is so frekin' powerful and easy to use. Terrans are, in my opinion, the most difficult race to play with. Specially when playing against Protoss. But then again, that's just MHO Aha! Just what I was waiting for - exactly this, a misinterpretation! What I meant was that Terran is played by all noobs at first because it is the first race in the campaign. That is a prooven face. Ah, now is where disagree since I must believe that you only mentioned this for the sake of the argument. Protoss is powerful, but so is any other race. Previous post mentioned the balance of this game, which is so true. Good, you know how to own with zerg, mass hive their arse, nice you can kill all those newbish carriers with a few well placed wraiths - great!, you can mass reaver those gateways ALRIGHT. Point is, every race is 1337 PwZaGES!1!11 if you know how to use it properly. Saying protoss is "so easy to use" is not true, since even a few marines and a seige tank can take out a base where the player thnks cannons are enough. When do we start?

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:48 pm ]
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Quote: [Gandalf] wrote: When do we start? lol see i would play with u pplz but my sc problem still hasnt been fixed i tried openeing all ports and such but nothing and gandalf brought up a good point when he said that any race owns if you know how 2 use it properly, there are some people out there that will own you no matter the race

Author:	Notoroge [ Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:06 am ]
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[Gandalf] wrote: Point is, every race is 1337 PwZaGES!1!11 if you know how to use it properly. No, that wasn't your point. Your point was: [Gandalf] wrote: protoss (ownage race with best units). My point is just that. Protoss are too strong. Perfect newbie race. Wheras Terran are more difficult to play with, and if you can own with Terran, then you're a much better strategist than if you play with Protoss (exeptions are existant, but I'm talking majority). Contrary to popular belief, the races are not balanced. They're just different. And yes, you can own very well with different races. But some races are easier to own with than others. And World of Warcraft is an amazing game. Have you even played it?

Author:	the_binary_soul [ Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:19 am ]
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Protoss aren't a noob race. It takes to longer and more work to build a force. You'll have fewer units since they are yes more powerful but it takes skill to survive agenst rushers, especially if they are player zerg. Zerg are a noob race. Any idiot can be zerg an create enough zerglings within ten minutes to kill off another player if they aren't careful. Terrans aren't hard. Goliths and seige tanks, half the tanks moving up while the other half bombards.... no compatition, and not to difficult to pull off

Author:	Amailer [ Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:09 pm ]
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No race is a noob race jeez... If your good you can play with any race... even noobs can't win with zerg, actually they will find it hard bah its so stupid when people call races noob race (in starcraft) cus they have their own weaknesses and streaghts.

Author:	Notoroge [ Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:12 pm ]
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Exactly. Now lets kill this conversation now, and lets focus on making a StarCraft clan!

Author:	zylum [ Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:43 pm ]
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yeah they are all pretty much equal.. although according to my friend (he's pro) terran is slightly better if youre really good.

Author:	lyam_kaskade [ Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:43 pm ]
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What should we call it? Compsci clan The Radical Programmers Wow those are both lame... I'm too tired for creativity.

Author:	Bacchus [ Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:45 pm ]
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BrainsPwnBrawn

Author:	Notoroge [ Thu Jun 02, 2005 8:25 pm ]
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F.A.G - Frekin' Amazing Gamers The only issue would be getting an actual "Clan" channel, we'd need a 10 (or 8?) people to log on to Warcraft III at the same time to start a guild and get the channel going. Either that or we can use an "Op" channel.

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:27 pm ]
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Yea, I tried WoW at a friends house once... At least Starcraft is more balanced than some other games... If one race doesnt have a massive advantage, its even enough. Hmm, a clan name... I'm not that good at names, but once we have something started I can help. CSG? Compsci Gamers? heh.

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:56 pm ]
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lol yea im with gandalf on that one if you get something going i can help but then we should determine wether we want it to be a name about compsci or a name in general 2 examples already mentioned Compsci related: ComSciClan [CsC] General name : BrainsPwnBrawn [BpB]

Author:	Notoroge [ Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:38 am ]
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You forgot to mention, General name: Frekin' Amazing Gamers - F.A.G. ; it'd be the perfect joke name. Think about it, "Oh, Dylan-182? Yeah, he's a F.A.G." Update: Y'know, most good clans out there have really stupid names. We don't have to try and be cool, with a slick web-site and really cool sounding name like, "Immortal Knights". Because then we really do end up looking like F.A.G.s, Just play well and the coolness will follow. Once I saw a "Clan cT" - "Cheezee Twat". Owned my ass. Anyways, yeah... food for thought.

Author:	jamonathin [ Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:09 pm ]
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I agree. Most people do think of trying to make cool clan names that sound "tuff", but whenever I play an online game, its the people with funny or simple names that usually own. I think F.A.G is actually pretty funny, cuz unless you're unsure of yourself, you shouldn't really worry what anyone else has to say. + 1 Vote for F.A.G.

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:04 pm ]
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Yeah, F.A.G is a pretty good name, as long as we don't become an idiot clan - too many of those already. One time I played a C&C clan... yep, that's right, Carrots and Cabbage. Still, I don't want something completely stupid before my name... Alright, let's see who would join if we made a clan, it can't have 3 peopel.. 1. Me 2. Notorage 3. Dylan 4. lyam_kaskade 5. jamonathin?? 6. Bacchus?? 7. zylum?? 8. Amailer?? 9. AsianSensation?? Wow... If everyone joined that would be a pretty good start .

Author:	lyam_kaskade [ Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:59 pm ]
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Sounds good, not sure how active I can be with it being June and all, but I'm in.

Author:	Amailer [ Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:02 pm ]
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I would but I gave my game away to a friend of mine. Basically, I don't play it anymore

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:20 pm ]
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Well, if you ever feel like playing again, and get it back... Alright, so here is the newer list: 1. Me 2. Notorage 3. Dylan 4. lyam_kaskade 5. jamonathin?? 6. Bacchus?? 7. zylum?? 8. AsianSensation?? 9. Andy?? Anyone else? Also, will we be playing BroodWar or normal SC? Personally, and more biasfully, I like normal SC better since I have more experience, and only played BW a bit.

Author:	Hikaru79 [ Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:36 am ]
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If you don't expect too much activity out of me, I could probably reinstall Starcraft over the summer and join in once in a while I used to be pretty good, back in the day... So how about it? Will you guys take me?

Author:	Bacchus [ Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:08 am ]
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Hmmm.. You see at the poll at the top the one person who doesn't have Battle.Net? Thats me , I don't have starcraft at all, and I stoped playing Diablo II a while ago, and I switched games around before I got into Warcraft Online. Sorry lol

Author:	jamonathin [ Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:49 am ]
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My good computer moved away to london with my mom, and so did my dsl. I'm stuck at my dads comp that runs Turing slow and whose dial-up runs like its on lsd. I've tried playin Diablo II on the internet there and its a lost cause, and I've played Starcraft on dial-up comps and it thats about annoying as it gets. I wanna play Starcraft again, but as far as playing any computer game goes, its not gonna happen untill I move out to college. . . or maybe even later cuz I could be livin with my gf since I already do 3 times a week, i dunno. But I still like F.A.G., and if I ever do get into SC or anything else you guys are playin I'll let yas know

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:52 am ]
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Alright, np. Hikaru79 - sure you can join, we'll take anyone we can get. At least till we turn into the best clan on SC . jamonathin, well, if you ever get the chance... I know Starcraft ran pretty good on my P75 back in the day, but I had fairly good internet too. For now, we'll consider you joined . So here's the newer version: 1. Me 2. Notorage 3. Dylan 4. lyam_kaskade 5. Hikaru79 6. jamonathin 7. zylum?? 8. AsianSensation?? 9. Andy?? So... maybe I'll try and get something started. Hmmm, where to start... I guess we need a name . Edited

Author:	zylum [ Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:36 pm ]
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maybe in a little while. i actually started playing diablo II . anybody wanna join me? anyways, ill probably get bored soon and will run starcraft again.

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:49 pm ]
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Consider yourself accepted . I would play Diablo2, I even have the cd's somewhere here... But I don't have a good Battle.net cdkey since I borrowed my game to a friend and he couldn't help haxoring so it got banned. 1. Me 2. Notorage 3. Dylan 4. lyam_kaskade 5. Hikaru79 6. jamonathin 7. zylum 8. AsianSensation?? 9. Andy??

Author:	Hikaru79 [ Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:48 pm ]
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Just thought this might be useful for a few of us: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gaim-bnet/ It's a plugin to Gaim that will allow you to chat on Battle.net without actually running any Blizzard games, just like any other IM protocol. We can use this to chat with clan members when we don't feel like playing, but it can also be used to write a bot to do interesting things, like greetings, etc.

Author:	Notoroge [ Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:42 pm ]
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zylum wrote: maybe in a little while. i actually started playing diablo II . anybody wanna join me? anyways, ill probably get bored soon and will run starcraft again. Let's play! I started playing Diablo II again this weekend as well. Lvl 35 Elemental/Wind druid.

Author:	Bacchus [ Sun Jun 05, 2005 5:19 pm ]
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lol Played quite a bit this weekend didn't you? Notoroge, I love you, Druids rock. But I'm not to fond of the Elemental Druids, maily Shapeshifting for me.

Author:	jamonathin [ Sun Jun 05, 2005 5:34 pm ]
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Notoroge wrote: zylum wrote: maybe in a little while. i actually started playing diablo II . anybody wanna join me? anyways, ill probably get bored soon and will run starcraft again. Let's play! I started playing Diablo II again this weekend as well. Lvl 35 Elemental/Wind druid. Level 35 in juss this weekend? Lil bored eh? lol. I remember trying to play the entire game without rushing with an assassin and I got to 53 and could barley level again, but that was before someone thought of the idea to do Blood Runs.

Author:	Amailer [ Sun Jun 05, 2005 5:36 pm ]
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Can you still do those glitches in starcraft? The ones where you can flow drones and etc...? I think their called drones not sure. Anyhow, they were fun XD

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:47 pm ]
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Nah, they fixed taht . There are still a few, but not that bad... Still some hackers though.

Author:	jamonathin [ Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:57 pm ]
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What kind of hacks are goin threw? Maphack, where they can see what everyone's doin?

Author:	Notoroge [ Sun Jun 05, 2005 7:10 pm ]
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No man, it took me about two sessions of about 2 - 3 hours each to get to that level. Cows should be concidered hacks. Pretty much all I did was skip all Act1 quests and play a game with 8 people, weant straight for Tamoe Highlands, and by the time I got to andariel, we were all around level 12s. Then I did tomb runs in act 2 until I was lvl 25. Then next session of gaming, I went from 25 to 35. Note that i also did a lot of trading and scavenging for items (making friends and whatnot). Still need to get some stacked druid items, but I'm getting there.

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Sun Jun 05, 2005 7:11 pm ]
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Last I knew: 1. Map hack 2. D/C hack 3. Colour hack (not really a hack..?) 4. boot hack 5. team hack 6. status hack Yeah, maphack is just no fog of war and you can see the whole map. at least for sc...

Author:	Notoroge [ Sun Jun 05, 2005 7:56 pm ]
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The Diablo II maphack is really nifty because it tells you the uniqueness of all monsters as well as revealing the whole mini-map. Awsome for finding unique and elite cows.

Author:	AsianSensation [ Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:28 pm ]
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so back to starcraft. I only play Brood War, because without medics, Terran is no fun. And I don't play any other race. So count me in for the clan thingiemajig.

Author:	zylum [ Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:55 pm ]
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jamonathin wrote: Notoroge wrote: zylum wrote: maybe in a little while. i actually started playing diablo II . anybody wanna join me? anyways, ill probably get bored soon and will run starcraft again. Let's play! I started playing Diablo II again this weekend as well. Lvl 35 Elemental/Wind druid. Level 35 in juss this weekend? Lil bored eh? lol. I remember trying to play the entire game without rushing with an assassin and I got to 53 and could barley level again, but that was before someone thought of the idea to do Blood Runs. i started on friday and i have a level 71 magic find sorc... i also have 4 full mules already any body need items??

Author:	Notoroge [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:47 am ]
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zylum wrote: jamonathin wrote: Notoroge wrote: zylum wrote: maybe in a little while. i actually started playing diablo II . anybody wanna join me? anyways, ill probably get bored soon and will run starcraft again. Let's play! I started playing Diablo II again this weekend as well. Lvl 35 Elemental/Wind druid. Level 35 in juss this weekend? Lil bored eh? lol. I remember trying to play the entire game without rushing with an assassin and I got to 53 and could barley level again, but that was before someone thought of the idea to do Blood Runs. i started on friday and i have a level 71 magic find sorc... i also have 4 full mules already any body need items?? Get me a Jalala's Mane. Lvl 46 now, btw. But I probably don't play half as long as you.

Author:	jamonathin [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:39 am ]
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Oh, see I thought they fixed up all of those things where you cant have someone rush you through all acts and difficulties, I thought you had to do the quests.

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:49 pm ]
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Alright, so here are the people in our eh.. Battle.Net clan. Not sure if all of you want to stick Diablo 2 now that you've started playing again... Starcraft is great for team play too so... Here are the members of the clan right now: 1. [Gandalf] 2. Notorage 3. Dylan 4. lyam_kaskade 5. Hikaru79 6. jamonathin 7. zylum 8. AsianSensation?? 9. Andy?? Any time that most of you would be gaming? 3pm? 6pm? 7pm? 8pm? 10pm? 2am? <-- last one is for me .

Author:	Andy [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:35 pm ]
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yea im in, just give me a couple of days to finish my exams...

Author:	Bacchus [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:50 pm ]
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Hm.. If we do Diablo II then I might be able to join... I also should start with some of my other games I told people I'd do and I'd have to start a new character...

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:00 pm ]
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Alright! We got everyone who we had on the clan. 1. [Gandalf] 2. Notorage 3. Dylan 4. lyam_kaskade 5. Hikaru79 6. jamonathin 7. zylum 8. AsianSensation 9. Andy 10. Bacchus? So are we going to be for Starcraft or Diablo 2 or both? I would play D2 if only I could get a cd key...? nudge nudge

Author:	Bacchus [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:21 pm ]
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Bump me to Num. 13 and play DII (LoD of course, Go Druid!) and you got yourself a deal.

Author:	axej [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:23 pm ]
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starcraft clan? i might join depends if i get past this mission im doing in guild wars or not. ill have to finish my exams first either way. i gotta reinstall it again too oh yeah, terran rules!!!

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:36 pm ]
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Bacchus wrote: Bump me to Num. 13 and play DII (LoD of course, Go Druid!) and you got yourself a deal. 13? alright... 1. [Gandalf] 2. Notoroge 3. Dylan 4. lyam_kaskade 5. Hikaru79 6. jamonathin 7. zylum 8. AsianSensation 9. Andy 13. Bacchus? You can be sure of the playing part, now... Alright axej, when you are able to, just say so!

Author:	axej [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:43 pm ]
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sure thing skippy! oh and btw i don't know how you confussled "x"with "l". these sort of things only happen at about 2 am in the morning.

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:56 pm ]
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Oops, you know... these sorts of things happen when you get 4 hours of sleep and then have to spend the morning in boiling heat... fixed For now, if anyone's ever on sc, go to channel "compsci", its unofficial, but it's something.

Author:	Bacchus [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:57 pm ]
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Well 13 is my Favorite number, so I try to get it whenever I can. I just logged onto DII and my char is still there He was going to be deleted in 19 days lol, As for the name, would I have to make a new guy? His level isn't that high (only 25) so it wouldn't be that bad. lol I never leveled up that quickly.

Author:	jamonathin [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:37 pm ]
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Man, I wanna play sooo bad! lol... i miss those games. I always hated how all my 1337 chars got deleted. . . And since this is now a SC and D2 LOD topic, I think this should the the official Blizzard topic.

Author:	axej [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:54 pm ]
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i disagree since people are going to start talking about how world of warcraft is so great and everything. i personally don't like world of warcraaft i don't know why though and yes i have played it

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:30 pm ]
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lol whoa i have been gone from compsci for a while and gandalf has got the clan going lol but yea as for SC i play BW mainly and i duno about changing it 2 a blizzard topic allthough thats not sucha a bad idea lol i dunno u guys just lemmie know and ill act accordingly

Author:	Notoroge [ Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:01 am ]
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jamonathin wrote: Oh, see I thought they fixed up all of those things where you cant have someone rush you through all acts and difficulties, I thought you had to do the quests. They did, but cows are still level-hacks if you do them at the right levels. Normal cows will get you from lvl 20 - 35 in 20 minutes. Update: There's no reason why it can't be a cross between a D2 and a BW clan. It'll get more players on B.Net that can play one game but not the other, or alternate between both games so that you don't lose interest as quickly. I'm not sure about War Craft:III. Not a lot of people seem interested in that game. But D2 and SC are a go in my opinion. If we get both going, I'll play both.

Author:	the_short1 [ Tue Jun 07, 2005 3:48 pm ]
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....cant tell were all ne_)rds here.. . honestly ! 10 pages already..hahah.. yea.. about problems with firewalls, linksys routers are best :d so nice and easy. http://tinyurl.com/87wh4 ...yea.. anyways.. if anyone wants to play SC.. . just add me to friends, im on a couple times a month... username:Golem_Masta6969 ... cant wait till i get some cash to buy wc3 and d2 LEGALLY so i can play online with you guys :d

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Tue Jun 07, 2005 3:56 pm ]
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hahaha legally lmao yea i was thinking about buying wc3 and or d2 but i duno i dont spend all that much time gaming see im not all that nerdy haha but ill admit 2 messing with turing and html n junk oh and playing starcraft loll but other then that i play my guitar

Author:	Notoroge [ Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:52 pm ]
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Get D2. WCIII is fun, but not so amazing. (At least not as WoW )

Author:	the_short1 [ Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:09 pm ]
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ive played both online at friends houses and they are really fun... and i like warcraft 3.. havnlt beat it all tho yet. . stuck where you protect Kel kazar or something for 30minutes.. undead section... yea.. meh.. i keep dying 30 or less seconds

Author:	Notoroge [ Thu Jun 09, 2005 5:17 pm ]
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Don't let the topic die! Are we starting this clan thing, how are we going to go about it?

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:05 pm ]
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I don't know... I sortof stopped posting since I'm not really into Warcraft at all, and I don't really play Diablo II since I don't have a good CD key anymore. I play starcraft occassionally, but we seem to have drifted to other blizzard games... Everyone still want to make a clan? With someone's help I can try getting something going. First I have to remake my SC account though, haven't played in too long.

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:21 pm ]
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lol yea lets get back 2 Sc im up for a clan if everyone else is lol i play all the time so its no prob for me

Author:	the_short1 [ Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:44 pm ]
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are we talking CompsciClan here ? ?? ... ill join if i dont need to add a lot of ppl to my friends list or change name./ .. ...

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:44 pm ]
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Sure, I'll be making a new account soon, so I'll tell you my in-game name. Post all of your's here. I'll add you to my friends list when I start up. I think I remember... hmm, was it Quote: /f a /f l think so, alright . EDIT yeah, we are talking about our clan. You don't need to change your name (I guess?), but you might have to add some people to your friends list .

Author:	Notoroge [ Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:56 pm ]
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Well, my account name is Notoroge. So add me when you want. Once we get some people going we can start a dedicated channel. We can get some people to alternate Op bots on that channel when you are available to host one. I can from 3:15 PM to 10PM Ontario time. So, yeah.

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:38 pm ]
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Alright, I installed it and created an account today. It works nicely. I just kept my old name, its: changed It's good for uniqueness .

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:09 am ]
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allrighty then im SrKillalot[bss] lol

Author:	Notoroge [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:51 am ]
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Okay, it's settled. Everyone that wants in on this post your Battle.net account name and we'll all add eachother. Once we get most, if not all, we can actually organize everything; ie: Website, channels, bots, ops, mods, ranks, etc. IMO, ranks should work in accordance to stats. Just to make it more interesting. So that everyone has the opportunity to climb the ladder/ranks in accordance to their performance.

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:13 pm ]
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Alright Notoroge, I added you. SrKillalot[bss] I will add as soon as I can get on SC. Yeah, that would be a good way of doing ranking. But then again, someone could just play noobly 7 on 1 comp stomps and get 399-1 (1=teh game which I will bs ). Ranks, hmm... Private Corporal Sergeant Lieutenant Captain Colonel General ???

Author:	jamonathin [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 4:19 pm ]
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Put peon as last, they can be the new comers

Author:	Notoroge [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 4:37 pm ]
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Well, how about this. . . A new leader is chosen on the last week of every month, by having a tournament between the top 6 with best stats in the clan. The newly chosen leader then starts his term on the month comming, etc. Keep everything constantly changing, gives people incentive to play often, and get better. Perks can be given to those that achive leadership. Ie: A diploma-looking sheet that has the signature of top-generals in clan as well as previous leaders, printed in nice paper with an old-school seal, you know, the red wax kind; so you can boast to others. As leaders leave, they can also remain as advisors for the new leader for the following 3 months after they stop being leaders themselves. As for the title of the leader, I vote "President". I know I'm dishing a lot of un-discussed rules, but this is just a suggestion. Feel free to make your own input.

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 5:06 pm ]
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That might work, but then there is the question on when the person can play, and what settings the competition has. Still, I think that part is not as important as of yet. We just need to get started and have some people on . Will we be accepting people from outside the compsci community? So post your names, and play! P.S I'm going on starcraft now for a bit. UPDATE alright, I added Dylan. I guess I haven't lost too much of my SC ownage. 3-0 . Dang this game is fun .

Author:	lyam_kaskade [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:39 pm ]
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Mine's Lyam_Kaskade (naturally). Although I actually play Warcraft 3 online more. Alot more, so I'll probably suck at this for awhile.

Author:	zylum [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:10 pm ]
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im zylum... im am still gonna play some more d2 for a while but i might come on if there are lots of people playing (msg me if there are )

Author:	Notoroge [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:29 pm ]
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zylum, add me. Let's play D2.

Author:	[Gandalf] [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:29 pm ]
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Alright, everyone's added. Anyone can play me, just check my sig to see if I'm on or playing. Everyone else post your names. Also, around what times are you on usually? me = 3-4:30pm 7:30/8:30pm-sometime later

Author:	Dylan-182 [ Sat Jun 11, 2005 12:24 am ]
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yea im usually on around the same times (3-4 pm nd 7-8 pm possibly later) i play all the time offline so therefor i can play all hte time online aswell and i think hte idea of new leaders every month is sweet lol allthough details will have 2 b worked out for it

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