I'd go for the first option. There's no real performance difference between 128 and 256 video cards, and 2GBs of RAM doesn't hurt.
Update: Might I add that nVidia cards have better support accross a wider range of Operating Systems aswell.
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| Author: | Andy [ Mon May 16, 2005 5:35 pm ] |
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arghhhhh.. the company that i wanted to buy my laptop now came out wit a new one.. and now i have to pick.. the first one is: PROCESSOR Intel Pentium Centrino (Dothan) Mobile Processor at 2.00 GHz, 533MHz FSB, 2M Cache EXTERIOR COLOR Titanium Silver SCREEN SIZE 15.4 WSXGA 1680x1050 Wide Screen TFT LCD Display w/Ambient light Sensor MEMORY Kingston 2048MB (2GB) SODIM PC-4200 DDR2 533MHz Memory (2 X 1024MB) HARD DRIVE 60GB 7200 RPM Hard Drive 8MB Cache VIDEO nVidia GeForce Go 6600 128MB 16X PCI Express Video Modual w/S-Video TV out CD/DVD/RW Internal 8X Dual DVD+/- RW + 24X CDRW Rewritable Drive RECORDING SOFTWARE None or Bundled CDRW Software w/CDRW Purchase Only SOUND 3D effect & Full duplex Audio w/1 Mic-In and 1 Audio-Out/SPDIF out NETWORK PORT Built-in 10/100/1000 Fast Ethernet Network Port WIRELESS NETWORK Built-in WiFi Wireless 802.11b/g Lan I/O PORTS 1 Modem, 1 IEEE 1394B Firewire, 1 S-VGA Out, and 5 USB ports I/O PORTS [CONT.] 1 Type II Card Bus PCMCIA and 4-in-1 Memory Card reader for MMC/SD/MS/MS Pro OS Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition DIMENSIONS 14" Width X 10.8" Depth X 1.5" Height. 6.6lbs. CARRYING BAG All Purpose Carrying Bag (MSRP $49.99, special promotion Yours for Free) SERVICE Standard 1 Year Limited Parts and Labor Warranty EXTRA BATTERY 8-Cells Li-Ion Battery the second is PROCESSOR Intel Pentium Centrino Mobile Processor at 2.0 GHz, 400MHz FSB, 2M Cache SCREEN SIZE 15.4 WSXGA 1680x1050 Wide Screen TFT LCD Display MEMORY Kingston 1024MB (1GB) SODIM PC-2700 DDR 333MHz Memory (2 X 512 MB) HARD DRIVE 60GB 7200 RPM Hard Drive 8MB Cache VIDEO ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 Pro 256MB 8X AGP Video Modual w/S-Video TV out CD/DVD/RW Internal 8X Dual DVD+/- RW + 24X CDRW Rewritable Drive RECORDING SOFTWARE None or Bundled CDRW Software w/CDRW Purchase Only SOUND Integrated AC97 Audio w/1 Mic-In, 1 Audio-Out/SPDIF out and 1 Line-In Jack NETWORK PORT Built-in 10/100 Fast Ethernet Network Port WIRELESS NETWORK Intel Pro/Wireless 2200BG 802.11b/g Mini PCI Wireless Module I/O PORTS 1 Game/Midi, 1 Modem, 1 1394 Firewire, 1 S-VGA, 1 Bluetooth port (optional) and 3 USB ports I/O PORTS [CONT.] 1 Type II Card Bus PCMCIA and 4-in-1 Memory Card reader for MMC/SD/MS/MS Pro OS Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition DIMENSIONS 12.1" Width X 10.2" Depth X 0.9"~1.4" Height. 6.6lbs. CARRYING BAG All Purpose Carrying Bag (MSRP $49.99, special promotion Yours for Free) SERVICE Standard 1 Year Limited Parts and Labor Warranty EXTRA BATTERY 8-Cells Li-Ion Battery the only main difference is that the first one is alviso, and has 2 gigs of ram but 128 mb geforce 6600 go gpu while the second is the classic pentium M wit 1 gig of ram and 256 mb radeon 9700 pro.. hard decision. thx for all input o and i think the second one can have two batteries simultaneously.. lasting up to 10 hrs |
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| Author: | lain [ Mon May 16, 2005 5:40 pm ] |
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If you look the 2gb also has a faster FSB for the cpu. So persoanly i whould go with that one but if u are going to be using it for gaming mostly i whould consider the other one as well. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Mon May 16, 2005 5:56 pm ] |
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i heard they clocked the gpu down in the second one... idk, is the geforce 6600 go any good? |
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| Author: | Martin [ Mon May 16, 2005 7:15 pm ] |
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You're going to hate the screen on those. That resolution is rediculous. |
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| Author: | wtd [ Mon May 16, 2005 7:21 pm ] |
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The only three companies to buy laptops from are Apple, IBM, and Toshiba, in that order. Everything else is notably worse in terms of build quality, reliability and customer service. For the cost-conscious, Toshiba is probably the best bet of the three, but Apple and IBM have better (though not by too much) quality. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Mon May 16, 2005 7:43 pm ] |
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why is the resolution ridiculous |
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| Author: | lain [ Mon May 16, 2005 7:49 pm ] |
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Also the 2gb one has a better network card and sound card...... |
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| Author: | wtd [ Mon May 16, 2005 7:53 pm ] |
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Andy wrote: why is the resolution ridiculous
Everything is going to be tiny, and scaling to different resolutions on an LCD is not terribly reliable. Your eyes are valuable, young programmer. Cherish them. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Mon May 16, 2005 8:15 pm ] |
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apparently, the first one is an asus one.. rnt they supposedly pretty good? |
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| Author: | Notoroge [ Mon May 16, 2005 8:16 pm ] |
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I'd go for the first option. There's no real performance difference between 128 and 256 video cards, and 2GBs of RAM doesn't hurt. Update: Might I add that nVidia cards have better support accross a wider range of Operating Systems aswell. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Mon May 16, 2005 8:19 pm ] |
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juss cuz it has a high natural resolution doesnt mean i cant tune it down... |
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| Author: | [Gandalf] [ Mon May 16, 2005 8:20 pm ] |
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Andy wrote: is the geforce 6600 go any good?
I have the 6600GT, and it's really good performance wise. Not much too say, look at the benchmarks - its quite up there, especially compared to the ATI cards. It's also good for overclocking if you're into that... I chose the first since the difference between 128 and 256mb on video cards isn't that much, and it doesn't come into play that often. It's easily worth the trade for a better 6600, as opposed to the 9700 pro. That, added on to the 2gb RAM, made my decision. |
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| Author: | wtd [ Mon May 16, 2005 8:21 pm ] |
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Andy wrote: apparently, the first one is an asus one.. rnt they supposedly pretty good?
Asus makes decent laptops. They're one of the companies that produces laptops for Apple, for instance, and Apple has the highest rankings for laptops. However, that doesn't mean they can't make bad laptops. Quality control time is really important, and cheap generic branded laptops aren't going to be screened as thoroughly. That and generic brands won't provide the same level of customer service. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Mon May 16, 2005 8:25 pm ] |
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how much difference is there between the 6600 go and the gt? |
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| Author: | Andy [ Mon May 16, 2005 8:29 pm ] |
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well im not too worried about customer service... but it seems that majority of the ppl favor towards the first one |
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| Author: | Notoroge [ Mon May 16, 2005 8:31 pm ] |
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Yep, a ratio of 6:0  |
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| Author: | wtd [ Mon May 16, 2005 9:10 pm ] |
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Andy wrote: well im not too worried about customer service...
You should be. Chances are good that something will break, and you'll be ticked if getting it fixed isn't quick and easy. |
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| Author: | Neo [ Tue May 17, 2005 5:31 pm ] |
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Are they both the same price? And can you post the link to the site. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Tue May 17, 2005 5:52 pm ] |
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well the first one costs about 80 bux more but im not worried about that |
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| Author: | Andy [ Tue May 17, 2005 5:53 pm ] |
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http://www.viciouspc.com/product/config_daimyo.html is the first one http://www.viciouspc.com/product/config_shogun.html is the second |
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| Author: | Mazer [ Tue May 17, 2005 6:44 pm ] |
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LOL, but don't you think that's a bit overkill to play StarCraft? |
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| Author: | Andy [ Wed May 18, 2005 9:43 am ] |
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maybe.. but not for starcraft ghost |
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| Author: | rizzix [ Fri May 20, 2005 2:34 pm ] |
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ok just keep in mind that ati (high end chips) consumes less power on an average as compared to nvidia.. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Fri May 20, 2005 8:59 pm ] |
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really now... but i heard that ati card is underclocked like crazy just to save battery life |
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| Author: | Notoroge [ Fri May 20, 2005 9:06 pm ] |
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The mob has spoken. Buy the first one. |
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| Author: | *SmilePlease* [ Sat May 21, 2005 10:38 pm ] |
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2 gig ram alviso wit 128mb gefore 6600 go |
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| Author: | Andy [ Mon May 23, 2005 9:17 am ] |
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k thx guys, im gona order it as soon as my waterloo comp eng acceptance comes lol... yea my parents are gay like that. i'll post some benchmarks some time next month |
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| Author: | Martin [ Mon May 23, 2005 10:49 am ] |
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How much are they setting you back? |
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| Author: | Neo [ Mon May 23, 2005 12:14 pm ] |
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Andy wrote: k thx guys, im gona order it as soon as my waterloo comp eng acceptance comes lol... yea my parents are gay like that. i'll post some benchmarks some time next month
Waiting on mine too.  |
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| Author: | Andy [ Mon May 23, 2005 1:26 pm ] |
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whats the specs on urs? |
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| Author: | Neo [ Mon May 23, 2005 4:43 pm ] |
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I meant I'm waiting for my waterloo eng acceptance too. And as for a laptop I'm going to wait till mid august. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Mon May 23, 2005 4:45 pm ] |
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Ooo.. which eng did u apply for? |
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| Author: | Neo [ Mon May 23, 2005 4:47 pm ] |
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Mechatronics |
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| Author: | Andy [ Mon May 23, 2005 4:48 pm ] |
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cool.. computer for me lol |
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| Author: | we64 [ Mon May 23, 2005 8:43 pm ] |
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Ram is the bigger the better, especially, especially for laptops.. lol.. personal experience.. the RAM on laptops.. get as much as you can.. lol ATI definitly have better mobile video cards, fast and use battery more efficiently than nVidia's chips... in other words.. your battery will last longer with ATI GPUs, but giving up 1 G of Ram.. certainly not worth it.. in my opinion |
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| Author: | axej [ Sun May 29, 2005 12:35 pm ] |
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i agree with you, ATI makes the best mobile graphics cards. i have an ATI mobility RADEON 9000igp with 128mb of vRAM. it works like a charm. sacraficing 1Gb of RAM? , i'd think that over. |
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| Author: | Neo [ Sun May 29, 2005 4:32 pm ] |
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Hey Andy do you know what is the shipping cost to canada? And you said that there are no taxes? I emailed them about a week ago and havn't gotten a reply. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Sun May 29, 2005 4:37 pm ] |
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dont ship it to canada.. cuz then u'll have to pay 25% import tax... im just having it ship to my friend's in michigan |
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| Author: | axej [ Sun May 29, 2005 5:38 pm ] |
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smart |
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| Author: | Andy [ Mon May 30, 2005 6:40 pm ] |
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lol yea.. one of the few bennefits of living in windsor.. cancer rate is 50% higher here, but we get stuff for 25% cheaper.. so it all works out |
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| Author: | Neo [ Fri Jun 03, 2005 2:13 pm ] |
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What do you guys think about this one, Toshiba M40: http://www.toshiba.ca/web/specifications.grp?lg=en§ion=1&group=1&product=4070&part=2874 Its currently CAD$2,099.95 at futureshop. Its a bit low on ram but I guess it will do for now. |
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| Author: | wtd [ Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:18 pm ] |
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Toshiba makes decent machines. Get a Powerbook! |
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| Author: | axej [ Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:20 pm ] |
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don't get a powerbook, it's from apple right? if your getting anything Mac, get a Mac mini. it is so cool! get an alienware!  |
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| Author: | Neo [ Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:47 pm ] |
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axej wrote: don't get a powerbook, it's from apple right? if your getting anything Mac, get a Mac mini. it is so cool!
get an alienware! If your going to get an alienware you might as well just buy a desktop because they are about the same size...  |
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| Author: | axej [ Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:49 pm ] |
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i think he likes the portability of a notebook 
imagine stuffing your desktop in your bag!  |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Wed Jun 08, 2005 5:53 pm ] |
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The Best Deal Right Now , If Your Willing To Sacrafice A Little More Space In Your Backpack. Is An Emachines From Tiger Direct. They Have Great Reviews Going For Them , and someone just try and match that price. The Catch : Its Refurb. eMachines M6811 AMD Athlon 64-Bit Processor 3400+(2.2GHz) / 802.11g Wireless /Radeon 9600/ 15.4-inch WXGA / 512MB DDR / 80GB HDD / DVD±RW / Windows XP Home http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1161689&Sku=E400-M6811 |
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| Author: | Andy [ Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:58 pm ] |
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good one except the gpu sux, the battery life sux, the hdd sux, the ram is too little, and umm yea incase you havent noticed.. that laptop is a 1.5 years old and is really outdated, a year ago, it was a solid laptop, gained strong reviews off pc mag, but now days, it doesnt stand a chance |
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| Author: | Neo [ Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:14 pm ] |
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That actually looks really nice. Especially the price. Like andy says the graphics card does kinda suck (the 9600 is integrated???)... but then again at that price its tempting... |
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| Author: | Andy [ Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:07 am ] |
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there is nothing wrong with buying refurbished... and i admit it is a solid laptop, except why not just get a desktop instead? how much are u gona move that around especially wit only 3hrs battery life |
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| Author: | [Gandalf] [ Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:51 pm ] |
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Well, there's also the fact that you can go somewhere, say a friends house, and hook it up. Can you carry a desktop that easily? Still, at least 7 hours of battery life is what I would need. |
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| Author: | axej [ Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:27 pm ] |
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if you're looking for 7 hours, its really hard to get one. at least ive never found one |
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| Author: | Neo [ Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:34 pm ] |
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I cant think of a situation where I would be using a laptop for 7 hours without being near a power outlet. If your in the library at a university Im sure they have outlets around where u can plug in your laptop. IMO 3-4 hours is plenty. |
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| Author: | axej [ Thu Jun 09, 2005 4:03 pm ] |
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most fast ones are about 2 hours |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Thu Jun 09, 2005 11:53 pm ] |
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Did you guys just say 3 hours is not enoug. Have any of you ever owned a laptop. Most Go Down To 2 Hours to an Hour , after heavy use. and that emachines was competing in gaming laptop magazines , its benchmarks were 28% higher than what hte card is rated as. THe Point Of It Is So THat You Dont Need A Desktop. you never have to be tied down. its not much more money to get it all with a screen and have 3 hours of use off the wall. Desktops Suck , They really do. And IF you want to hardcore game, Get a console. I mean its only **litterally** half the price of the video cards out today that will keep you up to date for what 6 months , A Year ?.   Im a big fan of that laptop , The price alone makes it worth it. FInd a laptop with that power in it that isnt that one , for less than 2200 And il be impressed. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:47 am ] |
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2200? ok, well just take off the extra battery i put in mine and i'll bet you the 2 gig ram alviso wit 128mb gefore 6600 will kick its ass anyday. that laptop uses power now, and never really taps the full potential of the cpu. incase you havent noticed, pentium M does kick A64's ass in all areas the point of me getting an expensive laptop is for portability because i could easily build myself a kick ass desktop and get a crappy laptop to go with it by adding a nother 2-300 bux, 3 hours battery life will barely last you through one univeristy lecture. and axej, i dont know if you anything about laptops, but only P4s last for 2 hours, all a64 ones last for at least 3 and pentium M/turions last easily up to 4. the top one in the poll lasts 7 because it has an additional battery in the optical bay. Shorthair, i'd like to see the benchmarks of this one standing up against the current latptops |
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| Author: | Martin [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:34 am ] |
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Neo wrote: That actually looks really nice. Especially the price. Like andy says the graphics card does kinda suck (the 9600 is integrated???)... but then again at that price its tempting...
Yes the 9600 is integrated. It's a laptop. You aren't going to find a laptop without an integrated video card. Integrated means that it's built into the motherboard. The eMachines laptop is nice, but make sure you get a warrenty on it, as they sometimes have problems with a bad video connection causing the screen to flicker. And Andy, yes, yours is more powerful. How much more does it cost though? Your laptop is going to weigh a ton and be huge too. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:36 am ] |
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its only 6.5 pounds.. and 1.5 inches thick the one with the ati radeon 9700 256 mb is only around 5 pounds is 1.2 inches thick |
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| Author: | Martin [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:51 am ] |
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Do you have a link to the website? |
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| Author: | 1of42 [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:59 am ] |
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shorthair wrote: Desktops Suck , They really do. And IF you want to hardcore game, Get a console. I mean its only **litterally** half the price of the video cards out today that will keep you up to date for what 6 months , A Year ?.
Right, so I'm going to go and play strategy games, UT2004, and CS Source on a console.
Martin wrote: Yes the 9600 is integrated. It's a laptop. You aren't going to find a laptop without an integrated video card. Integrated means that it's built into the motherboard.
Right now that's true, but soon MXM is gonn amake a lot of cards more modular. And finally, the 9600 sucks. Get a laptop with a 9700, or preferably a 6600. |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:16 pm ] |
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Its Funny Becuase Unreal Chanmpionship 1 & 2 , and Counterstike , play really well on the xbox. Really well. .
And i was talking about visually demanding games, its much more expensive to prep your pc for high end DOOM 3 Than to buy an xbox and A Copy of DOOM 3. Exact Same goes for farcry |
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| Author: | 1of42 [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:53 pm ] |
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Nowhere near as well as they would play on a PC (well, UC1/2 excepted, because they were made with consoles in mind). The FPS genre has always played best on PCs, full stop. And don't even start on strategy games. |
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| Author: | Neo [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:59 pm ] |
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Martin wrote: Neo wrote: That actually looks really nice. Especially the price. Like andy says the graphics card does kinda suck (the 9600 is integrated???)... but then again at that price its tempting...
Yes the 9600 is integrated. It's a laptop. You aren't going to find a laptop without an integrated video card. Integrated means that it's built into the motherboard. So what about the laptops with a dedicated card? Meaning they have their own ram. So they are dedicated and integrated? Then there are laptops with video cards that are said to be integrated. Meaning the video card shares ram with the system. So does that make them integrated-integrated? Or do they use the terms integrated and dedicating to describe wheter the video card shares its ram with the system or not.  |
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| Author: | Martin [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 1:47 pm ] |
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All that the term says is that the video card isn't directly upgradeable. The M68xx line has 512 megs of system memory plus another 64 megs of dedicated vram. |
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| Author: | wtd [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 2:41 pm ] |
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I'd dare to guess that most of the people involved in this discussion have not the expertise or experience to choose a laptop computer based on specs. So, let me propose that instead you buy your expensive toy from a company known to build high-quality stuff. That means Apple, IBM, or Toshiba. Nothing else should even be considered. |
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| Author: | [Gandalf] [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:08 pm ] |
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I guess my laptop demands are too high, now you see why I still don't have one .
Quote: Desktops Suck , They really do. And IF you want to hardcore game, Get a console. I mean its only **litterally** half the price of the video cards out today that will keep you up to date for what 6 months , A Year ?.
I have this discussion every day at school. Why would I get a system for some games when I can have a PC that does all these other things too? Why would I want system controllers? Computers are much more versatile in controls. Computers have better games. Computers don't get outdated every few years (maybe) - you can always get the next best game on the market. Personally, I think systems are good, but its just not worth it if you have a decent computer. |
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| Author: | wtd [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:09 pm ] |
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[Gandalf] wrote: Computers don't get outdated every few years (maybe)
Yes, they do. They get outdated a lot more quickly than consoles. |
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| Author: | [Gandalf] [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:14 pm ] |
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But the point which I failed to mention is, you can always upgrade a computer, not so easy with a console. |
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| Author: | Neo [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:43 pm ] |
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[Gandalf] wrote: But the point which I failed to mention is, you can always upgrade a computer, not so easy with a console.
You can buy a next generation console with the amount of money you spend on an upgrade... |
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| Author: | [Gandalf] [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 5:01 pm ] |
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Fine, overlook that point. Then there is the cost of games, and hmpghavailabilityhmpgh... |
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| Author: | 1of42 [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 5:05 pm ] |
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wtd wrote: Nothing else should even be considered.
Sorry, but I'm not sure if you know what you're talking about. You're saying that he shouldn't consider a computer made by Asus, one of the highest-quality OEMs around? You're saying he shouldn't consider a Clevo, another OEM with about as high a reputation? It used to be that IBM, Toshiba and Apple were the only suppliers with the quality required. This is no longer true. Not only is Toshiba's build quality going down, but many other OEMs have gotten fairly proficient at good builds themselves. |
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| Author: | Paul [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 5:10 pm ] |
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Well, when it comes to high end laptops, he's pretty much right. I know that if I'm getting a laptop, its going to be from one of those three. Actually, since I have no experience with Apple, I'd probably grab a Toshiba. |
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| Author: | wtd [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 5:11 pm ] |
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1of42 wrote: wtd wrote: Nothing else should even be considered.
Sorry, but I'm not sure if you know what you're talking about. You're saying that he shouldn't consider a computer made by Asus, one of the highest-quality OEMs around? You're saying he shouldn't consider a Clevo, another OEM with about as high a reputation? Not really, no. There's quality of the product to consider, but also quality of service. These three companies are still on top in that area as well. |
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| Author: | 1of42 [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 5:32 pm ] |
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Yes, they're up there, btu other OEMs are very close. You still haven't given any reason why those 3 are the only ones you would consider, other than product quality, which in Toshiba's case is aptently false, and customer service, in which a lot of OEMs are basically on par or close to on par with those 3. Plus, IBMs laptops are overpriced. |
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| Author: | wtd [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:19 pm ] |
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IBM laptops can be expensive, but they're not overpriced. That's an important distinction to make. They're built like tanks, and that's worth paying for, if you can. I'm personally of the opinion that if you can't do something right, don't do it at all. Certainly don't do something half-assed, and I've seen enough people burned by buying "inexpensive" laptops to know that not buying from the best is doing it half-assed. |
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| Author: | Paul [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:26 pm ] |
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Omg! Wtd is like Yoda! "Do or do not, there is no try" I've always wanted to by a thinkpad, anyone know if the quality's changed recently now that the chinese company bought it? |
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| Author: | wtd [ Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:33 pm ] |
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Paul wrote: Omg! Wtd is like Yoda! "Do or do not, there is no try"
A higher compliment there is not. Paul wrote: I've always wanted to by a thinkpad, anyone know if the quality's changed recently now that the chinese company bought it?
The actual changes won't take effect for some time. IBM is a major manufacturer, and such shifts in power do not happen quickly. |
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