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How about some Cloned Meat!
Author:  rizzix [ Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:56 am ]
Post subject:  How about some Cloned Meat!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4435159.stm
Author:  jamonathin [ Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:09 am ]
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I don't care, as long as my cheeseburger tastes like "cheese" and "beef", and I'm not going to die from it, bring it on!
Author:  Tony [ Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:34 am ]
Post subject:  genetically engineered vs. cloned food
jamonathin: not like you know what goes into your McDonald's lunch Laughing

Anyways -- cloning food is borderline genetic engineering. It's just that instead of taking an animal and making it better, scientists find that better animal and artificially multiplying it like rabbits would.

Now here's the problem - the article suggests that those highly productive clones will be shipped out to areas such as China and India to boost their food production. Those areas cannot afford controller environments (that's why they need those clones in the first place). The lack of such controlled environments means that those cows will be stumbling around the farm, mating just the same as they would otherwise. Although the gene pool on average will be considerably better, it will be limited to these one or two cloned versions. And we all know what happens when we have a large population with virtually no gene variations. We'd be lucky if the disease will be exclusive to the super intelligent cows of the eastern world. Then again, 1/2 of the world's population that resides in those areas will begin to starve within a week.

Might as well engineer the food. As long as the staff is honest, has proper education and is not corrupt -- genetically engineered food will be better and safer than the above mentioned mass sacrifice to the gods of natural selection.
Author:  Martin [ Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:37 am ]
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Next step'll be just growing the meat, and not needing the animal to grow it on. Mmm, beef...too bad today is McChicken day Wink
Author:  Dan [ Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:52 pm ]
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The only real problem i could see if that if they over do cloning a spifike aniaml they could acuatly weaken the geen poll over time by not alowing for any new combiations of DNA. It could eventaly lead to the destruction of the speases if it is over done. The main thing whould be to alow for some verrecne in the DNA poll or to come up with better cloning techlonglys.
Author:  rizzix [ Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:08 pm ]
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hey that reminds me of StarGate SG-1 ... in that series.. the high teck azguard race.. basically were human-like once upon a time.. but look how weak they are now.. the result of generations of cloning... actually they are a dying race.

which brings us to the question.. will we eventually clone ourselfs as a means of reproduction? (now consider that most so called developed countries have very few babies being born. the population is on a decline.. the birth dearth.. population implosion) so if this were the case then we definitely will weaken our self.. and possible turn into a dying race.

now that we have started this on animals.. man.. we better stop before we extinct them. (assuming the above hypothesis is true)
Author:  Dan [ Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:00 pm ]
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rizzix wrote:
hey that reminds me of StarGate SG-1 ... in that series.. the high teck azguard race.. basically were human-like once upon a time.. but look how weak they are now.. the result of generations of cloning... actually they are a dying race.


ROFL, that is excalty what i was thinking of when i posted that =p
Author:  brenn [ Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:27 pm ]
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martin wrote:
Next step'll be just growing the meat, and not needing the animal to grow it on. Mmm, beef...too bad today is McChicken day Wink


Very Happy I had that for lunch today.
Author:  Martin [ Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:46 pm ]
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Me too Smile

Except on Wednesdays, the bitchy manager is there, and she won't let them switch the fries with a coleslaw. Bastards.
Author:  brenn [ Wed Apr 13, 2005 6:45 pm ]
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martin wrote:
Me too Smile

Except on Wednesdays, the *****y manager is there, and she won't let them switch the fries with a coleslaw. *******s.


Ohh, does that come in a little transparent plastic container? I saw someone eating that and I didn't know what it was but I didn't want to randomly walk up to him and ask..... I never knew McDonald's had coleslaw ;o

Y'know, I never thought you'd be someone who would be willing to eat at McDonalds Very Happy
Author:  Tony [ Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:15 pm ]
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brenn wrote:
I didn't know what it was but I didn't want to randomly walk up to him and ask....

I would (as long as the guy doesn't look like he would kill me), but I have this thing against going to McD's
Author:  rizzix [ Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:42 pm ]
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i dislike McD;s too
Author:  Martin [ Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:22 pm ]
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brenn wrote:
martin wrote:
Me too Smile

Except on Wednesdays, the *****y manager is there, and she won't let them switch the fries with a coleslaw. *******s.


Ohh, does that come in a little transparent plastic container? I saw someone eating that and I didn't know what it was but I didn't want to randomly walk up to him and ask..... I never knew McDonald's had coleslaw ;o

Y'know, I never thought you'd be someone who would be willing to eat at McDonalds Very Happy


I eat so much junk food it's not even funny. Come to think of it, I eat a lot period....hmm...
Author:  brenn [ Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:21 pm ]
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martin wrote:
I eat so much junk food it's not even funny. Come to think of it, I eat a lot period....hmm...


;o You didn't last term
Author:  md [ Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:25 pm ]
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Yeah he did, you just didn't notice... BTW Martin the C&G is now called "The Grill", same good food though.
Author:  brenn [ Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:30 pm ]
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Ack! Anything else change while we were gone? ._. Although, I guess we'll see for ourselves in three weeks ^_^
Author:  Tony [ Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:35 am ]
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brenn wrote:
I guess we'll see for ourselves in three weeks ^_^

16 days Wink

Oh noes! What happened to the "Chill" ? Not that I ever bought any icecream from there... still.. C&G was such a big part of 1A Confused

When did they change the name? I was there a month ago..
Author:  Martin [ Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:41 am ]
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Cornflake wrote:
Yeah he did, you just didn't notice... BTW Martin the C&G is now called "The Grill", same good food though.


Oh man, you scared me there for a second. Yeah, that's one of the main reasons I wanna get back. Smile

Copyright problems?
Author:  Tony [ Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:45 am ]
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martin wrote:
Copyright problems?

Them and another 1,790 establishments Confused
Author:  Paul [ Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:44 pm ]
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rizzix wrote:


which brings us to the question.. will we eventually clone ourselfs as a means of reproduction? (now consider that most so called developed countries have very few babies being born. the population is on a decline.. the birth dearth.. population implosion) so if this were the case then we definitely will weaken our self.. and possible turn into a dying race.


Didn't you read that article on the deterioration of the Y chromasome? The scientists say its slowly deteriorating, because its disfigured or something and it is the carrier of many genetic diseases. And studies show that in around 100,000 years that it will deteriorate so much, that only 1 in 1000 males would be able to reprouduce properly. (Some feminists latched on to this right away BTW). Now there are some people trying to "save the future" by coming up with ways for females to reproduce, sans males. Cloning and some new egg-fusion technology or something that has already worked on rats. I feel so un-needed and abandonned in teh world now Sad . Rolling Eyes lol, at least its not in my life time.
Author:  Martin [ Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:05 pm ]
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Paul wrote:
lol, at least its not in my life time.


Unless...
Author:  md [ Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:06 pm ]
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martin wrote:
Cornflake wrote:
Yeah he did, you just didn't notice... BTW Martin the C&G is now called "The Grill", same good food though.


Oh man, you scared me there for a second. Yeah, that's one of the main reasons I wanna get back. Smile

Copyright problems?


Yeah, but they still have the same food... there are a few small changes; home made fries and rigns now Wink but other than that, it's still the same old C&G, except now it's the G Razz

As for cloning; could it be that the birth rate is smaller in more developed countries because we're over populated? In less developed coutries more people means that they can do more work, whereas we don't need as many people to do the same amount of work. That and seeing as the world is over populated anyways, less people in our coutries means more food for us; and we can always nuke those other buggers out of existance if they try and invade Wink

And reproduction without males? Not gonna happen fora while yet, so we're still in demand lads... or at least some of us are Razz
Author:  Paul [ Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:13 pm ]
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I'd hate to be living 100,000 years from now Razz
Author:  rizzix [ Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:17 pm ]
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unless you get transported into the future.. i mean consider the attention you'll get since ur not defected.. Laughing
Author:  Martin [ Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:30 pm ]
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in 100,000 years, I could see some definite evolution having taken place. It would be truely amazing though: 100,000 years of (hopefully) documented history...just wow...
Author:  rizzix [ Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:39 pm ]
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comming back to the past means your gonna get super rich.
Author:  Martin [ Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:52 pm ]
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Here's the ultimate paradoxial get rich quick scheme:

1. Build a time machine. This is the hard part.
2. Go into the future.
3. Get a bunch of cool and useful technology.
4. Return to the past, distribute the technology.
5. Go back into the future, where technology will be even more advanced due to your discoveries.
6. Rinse, repeat.

Patent pending.
Author:  rizzix [ Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:56 pm ]
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oh screw technology... just get information and use it to you own advantage.. like stocks.. etc. Laughing
Author:  Tony [ Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:24 pm ]
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rizzix wrote:
just get information and use it to you own advantage.. like stocks.. etc. Laughing

the problem with stocks is that they would behave quite differently if there was someone who was to pour tons of money into it overnight.

What you need to do is kill somebody right before they buy desired stock, and buy it instead of them at that time. Then you should have minimal effect on the market.
Author:  MihaiG [ Thu Apr 14, 2005 3:28 pm ]
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martin wrote:

6. Rinse, repeat.


ahh god bless you that made my day Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Rolling Eyes
Author:  md [ Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:45 pm ]
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tony wrote:
rizzix wrote:
just get information and use it to you own advantage.. like stocks.. etc. Laughing

the problem with stocks is that they would behave quite differently if there was someone who was to pour tons of money into it overnight.

What you need to do is kill somebody right before they buy desired stock, and buy it instead of them at that time. Then you should have minimal effect on the market.


Or since all you need to do to change the market is spread a few rumours... just tell a few lies to a few key people, buy while the market is down, and sell when it recoveres from teh obvious lies
Author:  Martin [ Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:10 am ]
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OMG Microsoft just bought google and is turning them into their teenage beat division of msn! SELL SELL SELL!

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