Find out about the Ubuntu Backports Project if you want updated binaries for Firefox, Thundebird, OpenOffice, GiMP, etc.
Also, what video card are you using? If it's either NVIdia or ATI I can help you with your 3d woes
Computer Science Canada Ubuntu [Day 3] |
| Author: | Martin [ Tue Jan 11, 2005 1:45 pm ] |
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Day 1 I finally broke down and installed a 32 bit version Ubuntu linux. The first thing that I noticed about it was how professional it looked. It uses Gnome, and a really nice login screen (infinitely nicer than Windows XP's at least). So far, I got everything set up perfectly. Wireless works, and I haven't had the chance to test out the 3d acceleration. Now, I do have some complaints. The first is that they changed some of the commands around, as well as some of the folders. There's no more 'dhcpcd', and I haven't actually managed to find a replacement for that yet. Also, the network information is stored in /etc/network, which I also found to be confusing. Finally, they package firefox 0.9.3 with it, and for some reason Synaptic won't allow me to update it to version 1. Not a problem as the source IS available on the net. Another thing is that my wireless drivers (done through ndiswrapper) seemed to be incredibly slow at first, but this problem apparently corrected itself after a restart. On a side note, the gnome theme that they use is really slick. I'll post some screenshots later. So far though, I'm loving it. EDIT1: So far, I have been unable to get hardware 3d acceleration working. EDIT2: Okay, more 3d acceleration woes. XFree86 screwed up somehow, gotta work that out. Until then, no X for me. |
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| Author: | Hikaru79 [ Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:59 pm ] |
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Find out about the Ubuntu Backports Project if you want updated binaries for Firefox, Thundebird, OpenOffice, GiMP, etc. Also, what video card are you using? If it's either NVIdia or ATI I can help you with your 3d woes |
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| Author: | Martin [ Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:52 pm ] |
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Day 2 ATI Radeon mobility 9600. I was messing around with XFree86, and well, X won't start. Yeah...fortunately the reinstall is pretty painless. Help, please. |
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| Author: | rizzix [ Wed Jan 12, 2005 7:10 pm ] |
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switch to SuSE.  |
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| Author: | wtd [ Wed Jan 12, 2005 7:26 pm ] |
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rizzix wrote: switch to SuSE.
Once you go Gnome + Debian, it's hard to go back. |
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| Author: | Neo [ Wed Jan 12, 2005 7:27 pm ] |
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Post those screenshots if you can, I'd like to see. |
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| Author: | Martin [ Wed Jan 12, 2005 7:27 pm ] |
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Does linux have an equivalent to Norton Ghost? |
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| Author: | rizzix [ Wed Jan 12, 2005 7:29 pm ] |
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wtd wrote: rizzix wrote: switch to SuSE.
Once you go Gnome + Debian, it's hard to go back. i went hardcore debian. with gnome.. i switched back.. my basic needs were not satisfied: hardware support. i dont care about anything else. |
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| Author: | wtd [ Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:49 pm ] |
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Neo wrote: Post those screenshots if you can, I'd like to see.
You can see a whole bunch at the Ubuntu forums. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=240&page=1&pp=10 |
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| Author: | Mazer [ Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:53 pm ] |
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That's nice and all, but correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the only thing that screenshot has to do with Ubuntu is the wallpaper? Otherwise, it's just a screenshot of a Gnome desktop. Eh? |
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| Author: | wtd [ Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:56 pm ] |
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Coutsos wrote: That's nice and all, but correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the only thing that screenshot has to do with Ubuntu is the wallpaper? Otherwise, it's just a screenshot of a Gnome desktop. Eh?
To some extent, yes. The Ubuntu developers have customized Gnome 2.8 a tad, though. I haven't been able to find the Human theme elsewhere, for instance, and the man panel has been changed with the addition of the Computer menu and deletion of the Actions menu. In conjunction with this, there's nothing on the desktop by default. Gnome in Ubuntu is very clean. |
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| Author: | Hikaru79 [ Wed Jan 12, 2005 9:59 pm ] |
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martin wrote: Day 2
ATI Radeon mobility 9600. I was messing around with XFree86, and well, X won't start. Yeah...fortunately the reinstall is pretty painless. Help, please. Here's UbuntuForum's take on ATI cards. It's worked for me. Quote: 1. sudo apt-get install linux-686 if you haven't already.
or -k7 or -686-smp or -386... whatever matches your kernel. 2. sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver 3. echo fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules This command won't have any effect until you reboot. To load the kernel module immediately, run sudo depmod -a ; sudo modprobe fglrx, but this will only work if you have already rebooted since upgrading the kernel. If it doesn't work, perform the next step (below) and then reboot. 4. sudo sed -i -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Note: If you are going to compile 3d applications, you will want to install the fglrx-driver-dev package Note: You might want to install the fglrx-control package, which provides a control panel to configure graphics card options such as dual-head display (two monitors) |
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| Author: | wtd [ Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:35 am ] |
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So, you want screenshots, eh? 
Click for larger. |
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| Author: | Hikaru79 [ Thu Jan 13, 2005 7:54 am ] |
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I totally support GNOME for Ubuntu. But there might be those who prefer KDE, so here's a screenshot of KDE 3.3.2 in Ubuntu. It works just as well, see? |
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| Author: | Mazer [ Thu Jan 13, 2005 10:42 am ] |
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Well that's good to know because, y'know, if you aren't using Gnome then KDE is your only option for a graphical interface eh?  |
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| Author: | Martin [ Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:20 am ] |
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Don't you mean KDE in Ubuntu? |
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| Author: | Mazer [ Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:52 am ] |
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LOL. Interesting. Although I have seen things like KDE with enlightenment or Gnome with enlightenment, I wonder how KDE/Gnome would work (if at all). |
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| Author: | wtd [ Thu Jan 13, 2005 7:39 pm ] |
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Hikaru79 wrote: I totally support GNOME for Ubuntu. But there might be those who prefer KDE, so here's a screenshot of KDE 3.3.2 in GNOME. It works just as well, see?
There's also a project to build a KDE-oriented version of Ubuntu. What I've seen would seem to indicate they're waiting for KDE 3.4 and such. |
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| Author: | Hikaru79 [ Thu Jan 13, 2005 10:31 pm ] |
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Quote: Don't you mean KDE in Ubuntu? Oops  Yes, I do.
Quote: There's also a project to build a KDE-oriented version of Ubuntu. What I've seen would seem to indicate they're waiting for KDE 3.4 and such.
According to the page on the Wiki, Kubuntu is " Upload in progress." Sounds interesting enough  |
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| Author: | Martin [ Mon Jan 17, 2005 10:53 pm ] |
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Day 3 Okay, not technically day 3, but the third update to this thread on my part. I've finally got into Ubuntu, with everything set up the way I want it, thanks on part to the backports project. I've still got some complaints; the list of software is still quite lacking. While this is understandable on their part, hopefully they will add to it soon. My main greavance is a lack of a working bittorrent client at the moment. Also, I *finally* disabled my touchpad, which is finally making everything usable. Right now I'd say that this is my second favourite version of linux that I have used, with first place going to Gentoo. Unfortunately, I really don't want to do another Gentoo install, so this is it. Really, the only thing that is holding this one back is that it just needs an expanded software library. |
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| Author: | md [ Tue Jan 18, 2005 2:35 pm ] |
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I'm sure if you really wanted a particular peice of software it wouldn't be too hard to get it working, although you might need to compile it yourself... |
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| Author: | Martin [ Tue Jan 18, 2005 4:56 pm ] |
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I know, but the point is that I shouldn't have to. |
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| Author: | Hikaru79 [ Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:42 pm ] |
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martin, you should mention the fact that, now that you've discovered universe/multiverse repositories, the software selection is much more substantial. Tell the people, they have a right to know! |
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| Author: | wtd [ Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:09 pm ] |
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Yeah, but you have to uncomment two whole lines in /etc/apt/sources.list. It shouldn't be that hard! |
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| Author: | Mazer [ Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:05 pm ] |
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Y'know, I was really exited about Ubuntu. I went and downloaded the CD this morning and went through the installation at around noon. Unfortunately I got smacked down by the "No installlable kernel" bug. Seems to be a debian thing. Sorry to hijack your thread, Martin, but I wanted to know if anybody may heve heard about any fixes or workarounds for the bug. The debian and ubuntu IRC channels didn't help. |
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| Author: | wtd [ Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:12 pm ] |
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Coutsos wrote: Y'know, I was really exited about Ubuntu. I went and downloaded the CD this morning and went through the installation at around noon. Unfortunately I got smacked down by the "No installlable kernel" bug. Seems to be a debian thing. Sorry to hijack your thread, Martin, but I wanted to know if anybody may heve heard about any fixes or workarounds for the bug. The debian and ubuntu IRC channels didn't help.
Tried ubuntuforums.org? |
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| Author: | Mazer [ Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:21 pm ] |
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Yeah, I've searched around there a bit. Of the few topics I've found about the bug, only 2 had responses and neither were that helpful. It's just weird. |
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| Author: | Hikaru79 [ Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:19 pm ] |
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Coutsos wrote: Well that's good to know because, y'know, if you aren't using Gnome then KDE is your only option for a graphical interface eh?
OK, Coutsos, if you wanna get all religious about it  Here's Ubuntu in Xfce 4.2.0. Tomorrow I'll put IceWM up or something  |
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| Author: | Mazer [ Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:30 am ] |
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Xfce is pretty nice, actually. I used it for the 10 minutes in which I had slackware running... but the answer we're looking for is "Enlightenment." |
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| Author: | wtd [ Fri Jan 21, 2005 6:19 pm ] |
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Coutsos wrote: Xfce is pretty nice, actually. I used it for the 10 minutes in which I had slackware running... but the answer we're looking for is "Enlightenment."
I haven't heard that name since I tried LinuxPPC 1999 Q3 (semi-decent port of RH5 to PowerPC) and it was the window manager with Gnome. I was a KDE fan at the time, just because it... you know... actually worked and stuff. |
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| Author: | rizzix [ Sat Jan 22, 2005 1:49 pm ] |
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c'mon... GNOME is still buggy.. KDE is a lot more stable.. i'm not a big fan of KDE but yea compared to GNOME it is still the better choice.. but of course there are soo many other window managers which are heck a lot better. i kinda prefer the "feel" of WindowMaker though.. but it's look is.. ehm.. yea.. kind of ugly. |
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| Author: | wtd [ Sat Jan 22, 2005 4:16 pm ] |
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Have you use Gnome 2.8, rizzic? |
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| Author: | Hikaru79 [ Sat Jan 22, 2005 7:25 pm ] |
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Gnome? Buggy? When was the last time you tried it? It's much stabler and faster than KDE in my experience at least. |
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| Author: | rizzix [ Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:01 am ] |
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2.6 actually. |
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| Author: | Leftover [ Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:58 am ] |
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martin wrote: Does linux have an equivalent to Norton Ghost?
Norton Ghost. All the versions I have seen will recognize most linux partitions (ext2/3, reiserfs, etc.), however some older versions may not be able to. The only thing you have to remember is to back up ALL 3 (or however many you have) partitions, as if you only back up 1 and wish to ghost it to a new hard drive expecting all to be well, you'll be missing something and it won'r work at all. |
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