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Author:	zomg [ Mon Nov 29, 2004 1:26 pm ]
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hi. up until saturday i was using a pentium 3 450 and i had a computer being built, i was buying the parts as i got money then on saturday my dad asks what i need for my computer and i tell him i need motherboard, processor, and ram and he takes me to computer store and buys me an athlon 64 and everything else specs:ddr 400 ram 256mb athlon64 3000+ 80 gb sata hd 64 mb 8x agp graphics card (ugh!) k8n neo platinum mobo 7.1 audio so here i have an 64 bit processor! what is the advantage 64 bit? and should i get windows xp 64 bit ed.

Author:	Blade [ Mon Nov 29, 2004 2:22 pm ]
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just out of curiosity what video card? i had to pick the most revelant processor that you gave, mine is actually an athlon xp-m 2500.. -m meanding a mobile. iam using it in a desktop computer and overclocking it. until i am able to afford some dual channel ram, my fsb is limited to 400mhz. i have 512 pc 4200 (or ddr 400) ... default speed: 1.866 ghz (14X133) my speed: 2.512 ghz (13.5X185) .. i put it at 185 (370) because then i can lower my ram latencies from 3-5-5-8 @ 400 ... to 2-3-3-7 @ 370 ... that is pretty good consitering its generic .. never buy that stuff again. when i do get some dual channel i want to get that OCZ EL PC 4500, ive heard it can get up to 250/500mhz. but its still a 700mhz increase.. all on air too.. stressed it runs at 44C and idle usually around 33-36 ... however its really really loud so i had to make a 7/12v mod for it. .. i havent heard much about oc's for the 64 or how well it does oc.. if you are into that you should check it out umm i heard that there isnt much difference between windows xp and windows xp 64bit ... i also heard that if you go 64bit that linux 64bit edition has a lot more advantages to it and utilizes the 64bit much better than windows... but linux does everything much better than windows eh?

Author:	Dan [ Mon Nov 29, 2004 3:28 pm ]
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owch, kind of low on the ram there........ My good comp is a laptop so i whent with the intell side of things b/c i blive they do better mobile chips. So i have a P4 3.2ghz mutlitytreated, 1gb ram, ati radion 9700 and 89gb hdd on it. I am thinking of geting the ram and cpu upgarded...but right now it is still better then most PCs and it is a laptop :p

Author:	Maverick [ Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:01 pm ]
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64 bit = useless, ATM. It'll be good to have when Windows 64 bit OS comes out, whihc will be in who the hell whows when.

Author:	shorthair [ Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:17 pm ]
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how in the hell is it useless you just gave a random comment there , PLease do a little research before making such a huge assumption the 64 bit processors are very useful , not only are they 100 with 32 windows and are much more efficiant at processing that data ( compared to athalon XP ) SuSE 9.2 64 Bit edition takes advantage of all of the AMD chips features , it was designed around its architecture but im not that experianced with them , just know a little tiny bit ..... Comment ot guy who started thread : Good on ya , Try linux and see how you like it , that way your getting hte most out of your chip Windows is nice , but you have to at least try Linux once so you know what your missing ....

Author:	Neo [ Mon Nov 29, 2004 5:57 pm ]
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shorthair wrote: Windows is nice , but you have to at least try Linux once so you know what your missing .... What are we (windows users) missing?

Author:	bugzpodder [ Mon Nov 29, 2004 6:36 pm ]
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i've been using microsoft products since MS-DOS 3 and Windows 3.1 and to be honest, except the occasional blue screen of death with win 9x, i found nothing too dislike about them. On the other hand, i find linux just not friendly enough to my tastes

Author:	Cervantes [ Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:10 pm ]
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You've obviously never tried windows ME.

Author:	Andy [ Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:16 pm ]
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hey, give me some credit... it is the first independent os that is actually built for 32 bit.. not just some 16 bit os that tries to run it self as 32

Author:	Maverick [ Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:52 pm ]
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shorthair wrote: Windows is nice , but you have to at least try Linux once so you know what your missing .... I've tried Linux and hated it. I've almost never had a problem with Windows, and every game/program is made for windows which never gives me any hassle. So.. 64 bit is useless for me ATM.

Author:	bugzpodder [ Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:49 pm ]
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I've tried all the win OS 3.1, 95, 98, ME, XP, NT 4/2000

Author:	Martin [ Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:42 pm ]
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The AMD64 is a nice chip, and, even though it's full potential isn't used (unless you are on linux) there is a speed boost over the AMD XP 3000+. The people are right though, you are a little low on the ram. The nice thing about this is that it's easily upgradable, and you don't lose the RAM you start with (assuming you have more than one slot). If you do choose to buy more RAM, make sure that you get ram with the same clockspeed (and probably same brand) otherwise you will run into some strange errors. On the mobile side of things (I have an AMD64 3000+) the nice thing is that you get performance slightly better than a p4 3.06GHz (mobile) chip and about twice the battery life.

Author:	zomg [ Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:49 pm ]
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im getting another 256 mb stick of ram from my friend ddr 400 (same brand) tommoro and after christmas ill be buying a 1gb stick i put winxp 64 bit on but there were no drivers compatible for my motorola cable modem so here i am back with 32 bit windows Question: what a safe temperature for my processor to be at i want to oc without buying a new heatseak and fan yet... i will do that later whats the max it should be at? (my motherboard has good OC capabilities

Author:	shorthair [ Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:18 pm ]
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Why would you want to overclock it its not a bottleneck for you , so there is no reason A ) Your shortening its life by overclocking it B ) Riskingy a temperature Problem that leads to shutdowns without permission C ) YOUR GOING AT A BLAZING SPEED Is it really worth geting few more Mhz , risking a chip as nice as that

Author:	Dan [ Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:28 pm ]
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ya but if u do overclock it u can cook stuff on your cpu and that saves u money on heating and a stove Tho ushely PCs can take a bit b4 anything unreparbale hapens......i just whould not do it in a laptop (unless u like your lap being bured off).

Author:	Martin [ Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:50 pm ]
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And Dan, since when do you have a Radeon 9700 and a p4 3.2GHz? You got your laptop before the mobile 9700's were even out...

Author:	Dan [ Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:08 pm ]
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martin wrote: And Dan, since when do you have a Radeon 9700 and a p4 3.2GHz? You got your laptop before the mobile 9700's were even out... hey if u do not blive me come and look at it.....and by the way alineware laptops have upgradeable graficks moduals.....

Author:	Martin [ Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:12 pm ]
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You upgraded?

Author:	Neo [ Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:32 pm ]
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How much did u pay for your laptop dan?

Author:	Andy [ Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:34 pm ]
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its an alienware.. so well over 6k

Author:	Dan [ Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:18 pm ]
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dodge_tomahawk wrote: its an alienware.. so well in the 3k In total with all the stuff it came out to be like just under 7k i think

Author:	Andy [ Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:27 pm ]
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o snap... damn

Author:	Neo [ Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:29 pm ]
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7k..... why didnt you just get a desktop, thats if you use it for games. If you use it for work and games then get a good desktop and a cheap laptop. Im sure it would be under 7k.

Author:	wtd [ Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:32 pm ]
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You could buy all three major consoles for under 7 hundred dollars if your major goal is games.

Author:	Neo [ Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:44 pm ]
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wtd wrote: You could buy all three major consoles for under 7 hundred dollars if your major goal is games. But can you play Half-Life 2 or Doom 3 or Farcry?

Author:	wtd [ Tue Nov 30, 2004 9:53 pm ]
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First person shooters are lame.

Author:	Martin [ Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:17 pm ]
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Yeah, I'd have to agree. I can't see any reason for spending more than $1000 on a desktop.

Author:	Dan [ Wed Dec 01, 2004 1:30 am ]
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Neo wrote: 7k..... why didnt you just get a desktop, thats if you use it for games. If you use it for work and games then get a good desktop and a cheap laptop. Im sure it would be under 7k. b/c i do not need a desktop i needed a laptop........and if it was just for games that u whould be right but it aucatly is not used for games very offten.... Edit: my magor goal was a laptop that whould stay upto date for the maxium amount of time and somting powerfull enougth to be able to do anything needed as well as some of my "experments". Also the desging of the alineware laptop i have is prity nice besides the nice stats, it is made to last unlike some of the laptops i have had in the past like my dell one witch needed repare every month. The only problems i have had with the alineware is some heat issues witch where easy enougth to fix and most only a problem not b/c it whould hurt the laptop at all but your lap

Author:	Blade [ Wed Dec 01, 2004 7:35 am ]
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Hacker Dan wrote: ya but if u do overclock it u can cook stuff on your cpu and that saves u money on heating and a stove Tho ushely PCs can take a bit b4 anything unreparbale hapens......i just whould not do it in a laptop (unless u like your lap being bured off). shorthair wrote: Why would you want to overclock it its not a bottleneck for you , so there is no reason A ) Your shortening its life by overclocking it B ) Riskingy a temperature Problem that leads to shutdowns without permission C ) YOUR GOING AT A BLAZING SPEED Is it really worth geting few more Mhz , risking a chip as nice as that thats not true, if you can control the extra heat that the processor gives off by increasing the speed, the processor will last just as long.. my friend had an athlon 600 running at 1.3 ghz for 3 years before he upgraded. normally desktop athlon xp's (thoroughbred and barton) with stock cooling run at ~45C ... the palomino's ran over 50C .. the athlon 64's have some newer technology that is like PowerNow! but better, so when they arent being used the multiplier steps down so that the clock speed is lowered so that not as much heat is given off. i'm not too sure as to how warm the 64's run, but its probably in the 30's or 40's... however the p4's have a big heat problem.. they run hotter than athlon on stock cooling anyways, i dont know of any numbers because intel is useless to me.. if you are a gamer overclocking is very useful, with my old athlon xp 2500 i only got around 13000/14000 3dmark01 points, when i jumped it up to 2.5 with my mobile i increased my 3dmark01 points up to 18000.. if you ask me thats a pretty nice performance boost... besides, just bombin around on linux or windows you can see a performance change with all the programs -- its like a free upgrade lol. oh, and i would NOT overclock on stock cooling, you probably would damage the cpu. right now i have a copper heatsink that i got out of an Aero 7+ hs/f ... and an 80mm vantec tornado case fan that runs at 6000rpm.. it is EXTREAMLY noisy and gave me headaches so i made a 7v mod switch to turn from 7v to 12v to cool my processor when i do extreme overclocks for when i'm doing a lot of gaming, otherwise i normally run at 2100mhz and on the 7v mod i can run at 33C idle.

Author:	zomg [ Wed Dec 01, 2004 8:02 am ]
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mine runs at 44c when i dont overclock it but when i did it ran at 46c (i overclocked it 200mhz) what kinda power supply does this thing supposed to have... ihave a 300w but my friend is telling me that i wont have enough power to run my computer when its under high stress my computer would restart out of no where when it was OC'd but i put it back... but my friend thins that there wasnt enough power getting to everything in my computer i thought it was cool n' quiet technology

Author:	Blade [ Wed Dec 01, 2004 10:18 am ]
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ya, its called cool 'n quiet... which is a version of PowerNow! .. the reason its unstable is because when you overclock you are putting out more power, so in return more power has to come from somewhere, so that means that you are going to have to increase your core voltage, which is basically what makes the computer run so much hotter. .. but like i siad, i wouldnt overclock without getting a new heatsink and fan that can cool your processor... oh and its always good to have case fans to remove the excess heat out of your case... because blowing warm air onto a warm heatsink isnt gonna do much for ya. but ya, increasing the core voltage a little bit will make your cpu more stable. you said you got ddr 400? well depending on the manufactuerer your ram could be limiting you as well, you will have to get faster ram that is able to handle the higher speeds of the fsb... although my friend i go to LAN parties with has this OCZ dual channel EL pc 4500 (ddr 433) that he can get running at 500.. so you'll have ot play around with your settings to see what kinda speeds you can get out of your ram. but just make sure to monitor your temeratues of your processor, if you can keep it cool then why not pull a few hundred extra mhz out of it? BTW: overclocking voids the cpu warrenty, and using an alternate heatsink and fan voids the cpu warrenty.

Author:	zomg [ Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:17 pm ]
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ic i got 5 case fans already and i dont think ill be overclocking this thing anymore i just see the point its fast enough... right now its my ram and graphics card holding me back and if i wan a faster processor, i can always upgrade to like the 3600+ f that is ever coming out has anyone ever heard of apacer ram cuz thats wat i got and i can push it all the way to 450 mhz ddr (900mhz in total) of course the ram would prabably fry long before then...

Author:	MihaiG [ Tue Dec 14, 2004 6:29 pm ]
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I cant wait for Summer 2005 AMD will release its first Dual core processor...(two proccesors(32bit) running in parrallel) CiscoSystems also release a 192 core router gthat handles 1.2trill.bps IBM has the Power5(not to good i heard)(dual) Intel has a prototype dual core Itanium chips Sun Micro.... the "Niagra" chip which will be realsed in 2006 will have 8 cores (about 2gHz each)ie... an total value of about 16gHz -edit- holding a laptop on ur lap can cause sterility due to a raise in a couple degrees of ur private parts(the heat of hte laptop) so if i were you get that laptop of the lap or youll be childless

Author:	Andy [ Tue Dec 14, 2004 6:39 pm ]
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err wtf.. u talkin about? ever heard of opteron? and if im not mistaken, the nforce 4 chipset supports it quite nicely.. plus its got an onboard hardwire firewall... yummy and as for apple, G5 runs dual 1.6 ghz 32 bit processors... and its nice so plz dont post anything unless u noe what ur talkin about nxt time

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