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Computer Science Canada The Matrix ... really |
| Author: | apomb [ Thu Oct 07, 2004 8:21 pm ] |
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i searched "quantum" in google images, and on the first page there was a thing called "Matrix Code.gif". I clicked it cuz it looks awsome. The site it redirects to is all about if the Matrix was real, it is a freaky site ... http://www.innerx.net/personal/tsmith/Matrix.html |
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| Author: | mynameisbob [ Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:12 pm ] |
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how do you know it isnt real?.... how do you know this is reality? what is reality? huh? ANSWER ME!!! ANSWER ME!!!! |
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| Author: | Paul [ Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:35 pm ] |
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reality is when I scratch my ass cheek for no reason. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:47 pm ] |
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mynameisbob wrote: how do you know it isnt real?....
how do you know this is reality? what is reality? huh? ANSWER ME!!! ANSWER ME!!!! You could apply thos same question to life with or with out a Matrix and the turth is reality is what ever you whont it to be. What ever you belvie to be true is real (at least for you) and thos is reality for you. Thos an infent number of realitys can exists and at the same time ony one for you, witch is the one you inreat with when in a contions state. Tho all you can trurly be shure of being real is that you your slef are realm but what you are, where you are and who you are may be imposable to know. |
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| Author: | apomb [ Fri Oct 08, 2004 9:19 am ] |
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| my head just exploded |
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| Author: | mynameisbob [ Fri Oct 08, 2004 9:58 am ] |
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reality is when you get shot u die. but then again u can also die in the matrix...according to the movies.... |
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| Author: | apomb [ Fri Oct 08, 2004 10:00 am ] |
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Because "the body cannot live without the mind" (Morpheus) |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:33 pm ] |
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NOthing is real , all we see are shadows , the truth can only exist in hte light , Sacrates found that light , but hte people condemed hi mto death for coruppting the yourth , PLato his student followed in that theory and came up wth the Allegory of the Cave witch acuraly displaye what truth is , If you read it ( its like a page ) you will garunteed understand why nothing can be real , and why its impossible to know the world as it is , we are ale imperialists in the end |
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| Author: | Dan [ Fri Oct 08, 2004 6:13 pm ] |
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I dougth there for i am 
Yes i know that is Descartes and not Plato but it still aplays to this. It is not that nothing exists, you exists for shure. It is that nothing but you can be proven to exists with out any dougth what so ever but the fact that you are. Also it dpends on your deftion of exists, if exists is somting that is true and takes up space in your realty then if bilviel an object to take up space then it exits in your realty. Now wthere that realty is real is a compley difrent story. |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Fri Oct 08, 2004 7:07 pm ] |
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The hardest concept so far , is understanding that when you dont think about somthing , it stops exxisting , it is a shadow due to Plateo , but i t still exists as a shadow , But Aristole stated and Peter Bridge i believe that when you stop thinking about somthing , it ceases to exist |
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| Author: | apomb [ Fri Oct 08, 2004 8:49 pm ] |
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It only ceses to exist for you, but still exxists for others, exactly what happens when the whole world stops thinking about something, say like third world poverty, it ceses to exist for the ones who do not think about it, but obviosly still exists for those experiencing it. and for a very in-depth look at existence, go here |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Fri Oct 08, 2004 9:18 pm ] |
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If everyone were to not think about somthing (without trying to not think , which is thinking about the thing your not meant to be thinking about ) Then yes it would not exist , because no one would know about it , like Unobtanium Alooy dosent exist becuase we dont know about it yet , The Allegory of the Cave is greaat for existince because truly the would is just what you know |
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| Author: | Dan [ Sat Oct 09, 2004 12:23 pm ] |
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You are assuming other poleop even exits to start with 
If you blvie in somting enougth then it exits in your realty, for exmaple you could not be thinking about gravity but you bevlie in it so it exits. Tho i think this is what you ment by thinking (or at least i hope) b/c other wise you whould float around alot intill u think "hey shount there be a force acting down on me, oh shit" *falls to the ground*. One thing is for shure tho if you do not think then you our slef do not exits. |
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| Author: | Martin [ Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:24 pm ] |
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"The easiest thing of all is to deceive one's self; for what a man wishes he generally believes to be true." -Demosthenes Greek orator & politician in Athens (384 BC - 322 BC) |
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| Author: | Cervantes [ Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:43 pm ] |
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shorthair wrote: If everyone were to not think about somthing (without trying to not think , which is thinking about the thing your not meant to be thinking about )
Then yes it would not exist , because no one would know about it , like Unobtanium Alooy dosent exist becuase we dont know about it yet , Are you saying that, 2000 years ago, the barysphere did not exist, simply because the race homo sapiens sapiens did not know about it? well...I previewed my post and everything is as it should be except I can't say what genus we are a part of.
Hacker Dan wrote: I dougth there for i am
I think therefore I am would be proof of existance, not a requisite. Hacker Dan wrote: One thing is for shure tho if you do not think then you our slef do not exits.
Are you saying that a rock does not exist because it does not think? because it does not have the cognitive functions that we do? Are you saying that, since the individual atoms that make up every person, since those atoms don't think, they don't exist? If so, we wouldn't be made up of atoms, we wouldn't exist, regardless of whether ours bodies, as a unit of atoms, thinks or not. I believe that something exists if it is composed of matter or energy, or any combination thereof. Forexample, a sedimentary rock exists because it is composed of minerals which are composed of elements which are composed of atoms which are composed of subatomic particles which is MATTER. another example, an idea, such as the idea that a rock exists, exists. An idea exists because it is ultimately energy flowing through closed synapses and being stopped by open synapses in your brain. Something doesn't have to be tangible for it to exist. It can be intangible and still exist, and it can be intangible for a number of reasons:
it is an emotion/feeling it is too far away for us to see or it is hidden behind another object it is a black hole and sucks light into it so there is no light for us to see it with. it is in beyond the third dimension, anywhere from the fourth dimension to the eleventh dimension (anyone know about string theory?) Some might say that nothing we see exists because it takes time for the light to travel from the object we are looking at to our eye. While it is true that we are always seeing the past, the key is that nothing exists as we see it. It still exists, just it exists as we see it in a past time dimension. |
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| Author: | Amailer [ Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:56 pm ] |
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See everyone, you are all living a dream. Yes this is a dream. How can you say it isn't? how can you say it is? Intresting huh? |
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| Author: | Dan [ Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:56 pm ] |
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Cervantes wrote: Hacker Dan wrote: I dougth there for i am
I think therefore I am would be proof of existance, not a requisite. It acuatly was "I dougth there for i am" but was chaged in the translation to english to think. Cervantes wrote: Hacker Dan wrote: One thing is for shure tho if you do not think then you our slef do not exits.
Are you saying that a rock does not exist because it does not think? because it does not have the cognitive functions that we do? Are you saying that, since the individual atoms that make up every person, since those atoms don't think, they don't exist? If so, we wouldn't be made up of atoms, we wouldn't exist, regardless of whether ours bodies, as a unit of atoms, thinks or not. Not excatly, i am saying that if we conotorl wethere they exits or not in our realty. They exits in our mind so they do exits in a way but not in another. Cervantes wrote: I believe that something exists if it is composed of matter or energy, or any combination thereof. Forexample, a sedimentary rock exists because it is composed of minerals which are composed of elements which are composed of atoms which are composed of subatomic particles which is MATTER. another example, an idea, such as the idea that a rock exists, exists. An idea exists because it is ultimately energy flowing through closed synapses and being stopped by open synapses in your brain. Something doesn't have to be tangible for it to exist. It can be intangible and still exist, and it can be intangible for a number of reasons:
it is an emotion/feeling it is too far away for us to see or it is hidden behind another object it is a black hole and sucks light into it so there is no light for us to see it with. it is in beyond the third dimension, anywhere from the fourth dimension to the eleventh dimension (anyone know about string theory?) Some might say that nothing we see exists because it takes time for the light to travel from the object we are looking at to our eye. While it is true that we are always seeing the past, the key is that nothing exists as we see it. It still exists, just it exists as we see it in a past time dimension. A very scientical way of looking at it, but it makes alot of assumtions, like that this realty is real and acuatly has matter that is real. The thing is tho even if it is real or not if you do not blive an object to exits like a rock, then for you at least it dose not exits. |
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| Author: | Cervantes [ Sat Oct 09, 2004 9:09 pm ] |
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Hacker Dan wrote: like that this realty is real and acuatly has matter that is real.
but, even if the matter is not real in the common sense, even if the matter is totally in your mind, it still exists as energy flowing through your brain. Right? --- you're saying that if I don't think about a rock, it doesn't exist in my mind, but if my alien friend named Drew Diecaster is bending all his will on that rock, it exists for him. I don't see how something can exist for one person and not exist for another person. Sometimes I wonder whether I should have taken philosophy, but then I realize that I'm wondering about wondering about taking philosophy, and that I'm wondering about wondering about wondering about taking philosophy, and that just doesn't agree with me. plus i don't like writing essays.  |
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| Author: | apomb [ Sat Oct 09, 2004 9:42 pm ] |
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another argument for anything really existing is that atoms are still quite thoretical, sure they have been proven to have smaller parts, and those smaller parts are composed of smaller parts, which in theory would be made up of smaller parts. is there an extent to how small this scale goes ... as long as we think about it, it could go on forever, smaller and smaller ... also, if things exist at a scale smaller than quarks (parts of a proton) then for that particle, the atom is quite large, and it would have the same assumptions. this theory could be used in the reverse scale ... if our universe is part of a larger particle ... extending infinately into larger particles, which make larger particles. any way, im rambling cuz im tired ...  |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:03 pm ] |
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Cervantes remeber that Im judging this on what ive learned form philosophy , these are not my theories, but those of great men before us , You have to understand there Concepts for it to really make sense ,Utilitarianism and Fundamentalists, make het Best Philosophers Their Belief " You Can know Nothing as it is " |
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| Author: | Cervantes [ Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:21 pm ] |
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CompWiz333 wrote: another argument for anything really existing is that atoms are still quite thoretical, sure they have been proven to have smaller parts, and those smaller parts are composed of smaller parts, which in theory would be made up of smaller parts. is there an extent to how small this scale goes ... as long as we think about it, it could go on forever, smaller and smaller ... also, if things exist at a scale smaller than quarks (parts of a proton) then for that particle, the atom is quite large, and it would have the same assumptions. this theory could be used in the reverse scale ... if our universe is part of a larger particle ... extending infinately into larger particles, which make larger particles. any way, im rambling cuz im tired ...
Well, I mentioned string theory earlier, and it kinda explains what you are asking. Quantum mechanics and the general theory of relativity both work wonderfully on their own. However, when you try to get them to work together, problems arise. String theory attempts to explain these problems, as well as solve them. The only catch, is you have to believe that there are 11 dimensions. once the ancient greeks thought atoms were the basic building blocks of matter, but they also thought that the atom could not be split. That has been proven wrong, and so has the idea that atoms are the most basic, smallest part of matter. Strings are the smallest part of matter, and if i remember correctly, they are something along the lines of a one dimensional ring of energy. How can a ring be one dimensional? good question, and I think its because it's a point of energy moving around in a ring like fashion. I could be totally wrong, however, largely because I only vaguely knew this in the first place, and because I have forgotten much of what I once vaguely knew. http://superstringtheory.com/ seems to explain it quite well. I haven't looked much at it, as I am getting tired. 
Also, if you notice on the right side of the main page of http://superstringtheory.com/, you'll see a link to The Elegant Universe, on sale now. my mom and brother have told me it's a good book. I would have read it by now except I have english this semester and therefore have no time for reading my own books.  |
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| Author: | Dan [ Sun Oct 10, 2004 2:23 pm ] |
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Cervantes wrote: but, even if the matter is not real in the common sense, even if the matter is totally in your mind, it still exists as energy flowing through your brain. Right? no....you are making more asumtions, like that your brain exits and that energy exits. Your body is just another thing you cearted in your realty so it dose not exits any more then the rock dose. Cervantes wrote: you're saying that if I don't think about a rock, it doesn't exist in my mind, but if my alien friend named Drew Diecaster is bending all his will on that rock, it exists for him. I don't see how something can exist for one person and not exist for another person. I am saying that if you do not blive that rock exits then it dose not exits for you, and also if u know nothing of the rock it also dose not exits for you. It can exits for some one eltes b/c they are in a difrent realty then you, every one is. And they them selves may not exits. Cervantes wrote: Sometimes I wonder whether I should have taken philosophy, but then I realize that I'm wondering about wondering about taking philosophy, and that I'm wondering about wondering about wondering about taking philosophy, and that just doesn't agree with me. plus i don't like writing essays. I think you should take it, it will help u understand what we are talking about. See sci deales with things that can be proven with masive assumptions that this realty is real, while philosophy deals with matters that are not so elasy prove true or false. |
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| Author: | Maverick [ Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:40 pm ] |
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That was the dumbest thing i have ever read in my life. How culd the matrix possibly be real? Some fat guy just wrote about it to make money. "Rabbits inject sperm into chestnuts and we are born." There now 1000 lamers believe this is true |
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| Author: | Cervantes [ Sun Oct 10, 2004 7:44 pm ] |
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Hacker Dan wrote: See sci deales with things that can be proven with masive assumptions that this realty is real, while philosophy deals with matters that are not so elasy prove true or false.
I don't understand what is wrong with studying our surroundings, even if is not reality. Even if it is an illusion, I think humanity would still study it. What else are we going to study? Hacker Dan wrote: I am saying that if you do not blive that rock exits then it dose not exits for you, and also if u know nothing of the rock it also dose not exits for you.
What about those things that we don't know about but still affect us? Like what I mentioned earlier, the barysphere. If we didn't have our inner and outer core, our planet would be a lot different. For example, we wouldn't have our magnetic field, which would mean we couldn't use compases, we'd also get hit by a lot more high energy particles from the sun, and we wouldn't have plate tectonics. 2000 years ago, we didn't know about our barysphere, but it still affected us. So, do you mean if I know nothing of the barysphere, then it doesn't exist in my reality? or do you mean that if I know nothing of the EFFECTS of the barysphere, then it doesn't exist in my reality? Hacker Dan wrote: Cervantes wrote: but, even if the matter is not real in the common sense, even if the matter is totally in your mind, it still exists as energy flowing through your brain. Right?
no....you are making more asumtions, like that your brain exits and that energy exits. Your body is just another thing you cearted in your realty so it dose not exits any more then the rock dose. Well, even if everything is an illusion, the rock as well as the energy flowing in your brain,, the energy flowing in someone's brain to make that illusion is real. Or the energy flowing in someone's brain to make the illusion of energy flowing in someone else's brain that is making the illusion of the rock and the energy flowing in my brain that sees the rock. I don't see how there can be an illusion if there isn't something real at the beginning of that illusion. |
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| Author: | Paul [ Mon Oct 11, 2004 10:18 am ] |
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Maverick wrote: "Rabbits inject sperm into chestnuts and we are born." seriously? my world is crumbling down... |
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| Author: | templest [ Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:21 pm ] |
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Isn't "I think, therefore I am" a proof of self-awareness, not of existance? Either way: "I am nothing. Nothing is perfect. Therefore, I am perfect." |
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| Author: | Andy [ Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:36 pm ] |
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good one templest, your real cool now |
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| Author: | templest [ Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:14 pm ] |
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dodge_tomahawk wrote: good one templest, your real cool now
You know it. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:21 am ] |
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Cervantes wrote: I don't understand what is wrong with studying our surroundings, even if is not reality. Even if it is an illusion, I think humanity would still study it. What else are we going to study? And i never side we should not study it or that there was anything wrong with that, just that it could not be proven to exits and that we could chage it in our minds. Quote: What about those things that we don't know about but still affect us? Like what I mentioned earlier, the barysphere. If we didn't have our inner and outer core, our planet would be a lot different. For example, we wouldn't have our magnetic field, which would mean we couldn't use compases, we'd also get hit by a lot more high energy particles from the sun, and we wouldn't have plate tectonics. 2000 years ago, we didn't know about our barysphere, but it still affected us. So, do you mean if I know nothing of the barysphere, then it doesn't exist in my reality? or do you mean that if I know nothing of the EFFECTS of the barysphere, then it doesn't exist in my reality? Thats not what i ment at all, you blive the effects to exits so they do and there for they most have a cause, thos they do. Cervantes wrote: Well, even if everything is an illusion, the rock as well as the energy flowing in your brain,, the energy flowing in someone's brain to make that illusion is real. Or the energy flowing in someone's brain to make the illusion of energy flowing in someone else's brain that is making the illusion of the rock and the energy flowing in my brain that sees the rock. I don't see how there can be an illusion if there isn't something real at the beginning of that illusion. There is no brain
What i mean is that all that can be prove to exits is your conotioness, this dose not mean your brain. They are compley difrent things. Energey and matter are things can be chaged and effected by things in this realty while your conotioness can not be. What i am trying to say is 2 things; 1. the only thing that can be prove with out a dougth to be true is that you exits. and 2. that in this realy, where it is real or not, in thereoy it is composted of what you blive to be true. If you blive there is a rock in front of you with out a dougth, then there is a rock in front of you in your realty. This may not apply to any one eletes realty tho but for you the rock dose exits. |
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| Author: | Martin [ Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:10 pm ] |
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I finally understand what you were trying to say to me during one of our long arguements. |
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| Author: | apomb [ Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:44 pm ] |
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hey, martin, how come youre a lamer now .... i thought you just bacame admin, what gives? |
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| Author: | Andy [ Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:06 pm ] |
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its called READ THE OTHER POSTS? |
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| Author: | Cervantes [ Tue Oct 12, 2004 6:21 pm ] |
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Hacker Dan wrote: Cervantes wrote: I don't understand what is wrong with studying our surroundings, even if is not reality. Even if it is an illusion, I think humanity would still study it. What else are we going to study? And i never side we should not study it or that there was anything wrong with that, just that it could not be proven to exits and that we could chage it in our minds. Then why are we still talking about it? You're right, we can't prove that anything exists. But right now, in my reality, my geography homework exists. Too bad it probably exists in my teacher's mind, who may or may not exist. Hey! maybe if I don't think about my teacher he'll cease to exist and I won't have to do my homework 8) ... gotta hop to it |
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| Author: | Dan [ Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:01 pm ] |
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Cervantes wrote: Then why are we still talking about it? You're right, we can't prove that anything exists. But right now, in my reality, my geography homework exists. Too bad it probably exists in my teacher's mind, who may or may not exist. Hey! maybe if I don't think about my teacher he'll cease to exist and I won't have to do my homework 8) ... gotta hop to it Well the thing is the teacher may only exits in your mind as well as me and every one eletes you know and on this site  . And why are we talking about it? B/c that is what philposly is all about, trying to slove the problems that sci can not and the sreach for truth.
And that hole homework thing could work but the problem is if you try to blive that it dose not exits then you prove that it dose exits in your realty b/c you are trying to make it not  |
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| Author: | apomb [ Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:00 pm ] |
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so does this thread actually exist? ... or do i only think it exists becuse i think that i think that it exists ....  hmmm, thinking hurts ... or does it??? nothing really hurts, right dan ... dan ... oh i forgot you dont really exist ... wait, if i think that you do not exist, do you exist then ... because i think about you not existing????  i am doubting even the truth...the truth being there is no truth... im going to stop before i get upset  |
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| Author: | Tony [ Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:03 pm ] |
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it hurts just reading your post CompWiz... |
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| Author: | Dan [ Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:04 pm ] |
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CompWiz333 wrote: so does this thread actually exist?
It dose in my realty..... CompWiz333 wrote: thinking hurts ... or does it??? nothing really hurts, right dan Hurting is difrent b/c it is a fealing rather then a thing or materal object, so if u are hurting then it dose exits..... CompWiz333 wrote: ... dan ... oh i forgot you dont really exist ... wait, if i think that you do not exist, do you exist then ... because i think about you not existing???? It has nothing to do with you thinking somting dose not exits, it has to do with being 100% shure somting dose not exits in your mind. As for me exitsting.....that is debatabl CompWiz333 wrote:  i am doubting even the truth...the truth being there is no truth... im going to stop before i get upset The truth is the only thing that is true is you...... |
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| Author: | Martin [ Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:00 pm ] |
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And YOU all only exist in my reality. |
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| Author: | Paul [ Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:41 pm ] |
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did I just see some one post? nope? didn't think so. |
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