lol. Do as shorthair says.
JHanson90 wrote:
*a fast response would be appreciated, before I smash the computer to many bits and pieces*
Don't get so frustrated! Haha, get used to it or you'll have killed yourself within a week of using Linux.
Computer Science Canada My Computer :| |
| Author: | JHanson90 [ Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:00 pm ] |
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What Happened: I downloaded the boot.iso file from ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/current/ at http://www.suse.com/. So I used it, and got to the part where it was detecting my partition setup. One partition, C:, used by Windows XP's NTFS; SUSE LINUX could not do anything with that except delete the whole thing. Couldn't do that, so I quit the setup and ran PartitionMagic to try and make a new partition for Linux. So I restarted the computer, with PM's task to be to resize the C: partition. The partitioning process reached 30% completion. It stopped there, even after I waited a night sleep's eight hours. It was still at 30% in the morning. There was nothing I could do; I had to restart the computer. So now when I boot it, it shows the Windows screen, then goes to an error in DOS telling me that it wasn't able to start up Windows. My options were to start it up again in Safe Mode, Safe Mode with Networking, some other Safe mode thing, Windows with all its old configurations, and start up normal Windows. None of them worked: trying them just repeated the same loop back to that same error screen. So my computer doesn't work. What went wrong? What do I do? My current plan is, when I get home from tech club, get a new hard drive, put it in my computer, and run the Linux install from that boot disc, only using Linux from now on. I would use Mac but it's too expensive at the moment. Is this a good idea? Any suggestions? |
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| Author: | Dan [ Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:12 pm ] |
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Owch, i think you may have to format that drive if u messed up the partion tables. What i whould do is start with a new drive (or a formated one) and then partion it in to 3. One for windows, one for windows swap, one for linux. then install windows on the windows one, and then chage the setings so the page file is on the windows swap partion and takes up almost the hole thing. Then install linux, suse should then partion the free partion in 2, one with all but 1gb of the space of that partion and the other whould be the 1gb. The 1gb is for the linux swap. It is import to install windows 1st, and to make shure you get the boot setings right when u install suse or it will be hard to get in to ether OS. |
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| Author: | rdrake [ Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:34 pm ] |
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Testdisk has saved my computer from partition and boot problems countless times. Put "testdisk.exe" and "CWSDPMI.EXE" on a DOS boot disk, pop it in, then type in "testdisk" to use it. |
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| Author: | Mazer [ Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:37 pm ] |
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Here's the way I see it: Microsoft invented the NTFS because they wanted to be special (OK, maybe there's a good reason, but just play along). Linux, and the rest of the world, tends to stick with normal things like FAT32 and VFAT and so on. Or whatever. The problem is that Linux cannot access your NTFS partition. Though, there is a solution. I remember I tried something like it a while back (or tried to try). It's hard to explain, but if you go on IRC you can try bugging people on a Linux channel (in as polite a way as possible) about how you can access your NTFS partition from Linux, they might give you the URL to a site about it. What I just said may make very little sense, and if that's the case, I'm sorry. I don't quite understand it myself (I never actually got it to work because of complications with installing certain tools and my dysfunctional default cdrom drive). So here's another solution: Grab a copy of Knoppix, or another live bootable distribution of Linux. This should (Knoppix for sure) be able to access your NTFS partition, allowing you to retrieve and back up all of your files. |
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| Author: | Genesis [ Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:47 pm ] |
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Coutsos wrote: The problem is that Linux cannot access your NTFS partition.
Suse can. I can access all of my Windows files when I'm on Linux. |
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| Author: | Mazer [ Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:49 pm ] |
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Shit, did I just read the post wrong? That's one heck of a waste of time... |
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| Author: | Dan [ Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:05 pm ] |
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Genesis wrote: Coutsos wrote: The problem is that Linux cannot access your NTFS partition.
Suse can. I can access all of my Windows files when I'm on Linux. But can it write to them? When i first put suse on my comp i could see and read all the files on the windows side but i could not write to them. easy fix tho, just use a fat32 system for windows. |
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| Author: | wtd [ Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:08 pm ] |
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One note: while Windows XP might require a NTFS partition for the system, I don't think there's anything stopping you from mapping My Documents to a FAT32 partition which both Windows and Linux can read from and write to. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:12 pm ] |
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wtd wrote: One note: while Windows XP might require a NTFS partition for the system, I don't think there's anything stopping you from mapping My Documents to a FAT32 partition which both Windows and Linux can read from and write to.
Nope it dose not require a NTFS partition, i got mine totaly on a FAT32 one... |
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| Author: | Genesis [ Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:41 pm ] |
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Hacker Dan wrote: But can it write to them?
Yeah I'm pretty sure it can. (Suse anyways.) I've copied files from my Linux partition to my NTFS Windows one. (I'll check that again though, maybe I'm just imagining things.) Oh, and JHanson90, what kind of computer are you installing this on? I had a similar problem while trying to install Suse on a PII a couple weeks ago. (I think that might have been in part due to the slow CD-ROM though.) |
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| Author: | rizzix [ Fri Oct 08, 2004 11:30 am ] |
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yes u can but u need to use the 2.6.x kernel and u'd have to recompile it with NTFS write-enable feature ON.. it is disabled by default in SuSE cuz the feature is currently marked as EXPERIMENTAL. |
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| Author: | Brightguy [ Fri Oct 08, 2004 12:06 pm ] |
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What's the best way to spilt up your main partition into several smaller ones? |
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| Author: | rizzix [ Fri Oct 08, 2004 12:28 pm ] |
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partition magic |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:29 pm ] |
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Windows owns rights to NTFS , and they refuse to release drviers for it , so in hte end its alwayts gonna be experimental , you can really mess up a hard drive reading and writing to it under linux , |
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| Author: | Andy [ Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:31 pm ] |
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hmmm fat32 is alot slower than NTFS tho... |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:37 pm ] |
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Thats a blaitint lie , performace is more so based on RPM and read write times, Fat 32's main difference is error handing , vecause fat 32 needs to scan the whole harddrive on bootup to search for errors, while STFS keeps all of these things stored , also NTFS , is just windows being " unique " its not any huge difference between hte 2 , im sure there are many but none that cause performace issues |
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| Author: | Martin [ Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:38 pm ] |
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reiserfs! |
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| Author: | Andy [ Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:39 pm ] |
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actually NTFS partition tables are faster to seek through than FAT32 |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:43 pm ] |
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I did say there were differences , no need to argue on that, but you make it sound liek Fat 32 is snailing along Its Just as useable so if i stick 2 computers infront of you , you would truly complain about the Fat 32 , computer , when your running speeds or 100000 RPM , and 3.2 Ghz with 1600 FBS , and 533Mhz ram , its very difficult to see a difference in Fat and Ntfs, now mabye if we were back in hte good old P1 , or amiga ,then you could seee definitive difference , but we are talking 0.3 second, ( which peopel may find to be a long time ) at maximum for differnce |
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| Author: | Andy [ Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:48 pm ] |
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meh.. i guess the difference is minimal.. but if u have a very fragmanted drive wit 190 of the 200 gigs full, then the speed differences would actually be noticable |
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| Author: | JHanson90 [ Sat Oct 09, 2004 9:08 pm ] |
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I took out my old hard drive, put it on the shelf for now. I've put in a new 120 GB hard drive that I bought only because it was on sale, saved $30; and I put that in. I installed Windows XP Professional, so now I at least have something that's working. So I've taken your first advice to start with a new hard drive. But now I have two, and I'm thinking I can use Partition Magic to examine my old hard drive to see if I can recover some important documents, like the web database application that I was working on. Most of the other things can just be redownloaded. Now, the plan will be to have Windows on one hard drive and Linux on the other, after the old one's been sweeped clean. I was hoping to have Linux on the newest bigger hard drive, but it's already got Windows on it. So there's two questions: --Will I be able to smoothly switch the Windows on the new HD with the other hard drive? --Will my SUSE LINUX, on any one HD, be able to communicate with the Windows on the other HD? And last, thanks for the useful, fast responses. |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:06 pm ] |
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Just put both on one HD ,and save hte hassle , suSE plays really well with others |
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| Author: | JHanson90 [ Sun Oct 10, 2004 8:42 pm ] |
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How long is partitioning supposed to take? On my computer, I ran Partition Magic Pro 7 to resize my Windows partition to a smaller size, make a Linux partition and swap. So I restarted the computer. And now, PM seems to just be sitting at 3% completion. Is it supposed to do that? Do I have to wait overnight for it to make any more progress? Or did something go wrong again? *a fast response would be appreciated, before I smash the computer to many bits and pieces* |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Sun Oct 10, 2004 9:08 pm ] |
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Why do you keep using Partition magic , STOP IT , jsut stick in SuSE 9.1 , and install it , for the love of god man |
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| Author: | Genesis [ Sun Oct 10, 2004 9:15 pm ] |
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lol. Do as shorthair says. JHanson90 wrote: *a fast response would be appreciated, before I smash the computer to many bits and pieces*
Don't get so frustrated! Haha, get used to it or you'll have killed yourself within a week of using Linux. |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Sun Oct 10, 2004 9:28 pm ] |
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Word of advice , you need to learn how to read help files , Compsci isnt the best place for linux help , there are 100s if not 1000s or help documents out thre for all distros , and SuSE has its own Forums , It took me no time to install , But i do run into problems and such ( 3d drivers ) also it takes time to configure your desktop to your liking Your going to need to learn how to use a command line aswell , so i suggest in the nicest way, to try do it on your own and then consult help files , You will learn alot more , From your experiance with Linux , |
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| Author: | JHanson90 [ Sun Oct 10, 2004 9:49 pm ] |
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shorthair wrote: Just put both on one HD ,and save hte hassle , suSE plays really well with others
I went by the assumption from this that you suggested I partition my HD. Well I just screwed it all, right now SuSE is installing over everything. I might leave like 10 GB for Windows, but that's it, cause I'm really getting tired of anything related to M$.... Genesis wrote: Don't get so frustrated! Haha, get used to it or you'll have killed yourself within a week of using Linux. My frustration is the whole reason I am installing Linux and dumping Microsoft, for I found that I couldn't do anything that I wanted to do on Windows. |
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| Author: | Genesis [ Sun Oct 10, 2004 9:54 pm ] |
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JHanson90 wrote: Well I just screwed it all, right now SuSE is installing over everything. I might leave like 10 GB for Windows, but that's it, cause I'm really getting tired of anything related to M$....
It probably would have been a better idea to install Windows first then. When Windows detects that you have another OS on the drive, it assumes that because now that you have Windows, you no longer have any need for any other OS. So the boot sequence gets overwritten and GRUB or LILO won't run when you boot up. And you're probably going to need Windows if you plan on using Photoshop (which is better than the GIMP) or similar Windows-Only apps, or if you plan on playing any games. |
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| Author: | JHanson90 [ Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:53 pm ] |
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Genesis wrote: And you're probably going to need Windows if you plan on using Photoshop (which is better than the GIMP) or similar Windows-Only apps, or if you plan on playing any games. I know that it does not always work, but I can use Wine for a lot of things that I would normally need Windows for. Wine works with the only game that I play, but I haven't yet looked up Photoshop compatibility. |
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| Author: | McKenzie [ Wed Oct 13, 2004 7:13 pm ] |
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As for recovering your old files I have tried many things and only had success with one. NTFS reader from www.ntfs.com. It's free. You will need to boot from a floppy and copy over to a FAT drive. It is slow, but I've recovered 7GB of pictures with it (took a few weeks). |
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| Author: | Andy [ Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:39 pm ] |
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LOL i remember that.... wait it actually worked? |
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| Author: | JHanson90 [ Wed Nov 17, 2004 5:07 pm ] |
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I've been going back and forth between FreeBSD, SuSE Linux, and Ubuntu Linux for about the past three weeks now. I haven't been able to install Windows at all. After the Windows XP Professional installer tells me that it is going to finish the installation after rebooting, it reboots, but then I get the message, "Error loading operating system." So I Google it, and get an answer from Microsoft.com documenation telling me to change the BIOS settings. I asked my brother how to do that, and I did what seems like properly changing the BIOS. So I tried again, but it still didn't work. How might I fix this problem? I need Windows to run two applications.... unfortunately Wine(X) isn't working (developers made coding errors in the CVS snapshots, which is the only WineX that I have access to), so I can't run them on Linux. |
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| Author: | octopi [ Thu Nov 18, 2004 11:11 am ] |
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Hey, try this, this is what I do when we get a computer in at work that has a corrupted bootsector/fucked up drive. Open recovery console (load xp cd, then press r to get into recovery console) wait a bit, until C:\ comes up then type chkdsk /p then wait, then type fixboot then wait, then type exit See if that helps any. |
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| Author: | JHanson90 [ Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:03 pm ] |
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Hey, thanks, finally got it installed. But now I have to deal with the next problem - my Internet. It's running extremely slow. It started to run really slow a few days ago, on the 11th of November. From SuSE, on the 12th, I installed Ubuntu Linux, on the 14th, FreeBSD, and now Windows on this HDD. They didn't seem to be the problem, though. Nothing has sped up the Internet connection. My network of computers, my sister, mom, and dad, are all experiencing the problems with their Internet too. I haven't downloaded much this month, so it can't be bandwidth. There've been months where I've downloaded far more. I've tried unplugging the HUB, barricade, and modem all at the same time to see if I could clear up any congestion, but to no avail. I called my ISP, Comcast High-Speed Internet, and the operator was no help at all. Is there anything that could be causing the problem within my network, and how could I solve it? (And remember, it can't be my computer, because not only was I using somewhat virus-resistent Linux, but I've wiped the entire hard drive clean several times.) |
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