post a link to a video of this. Or is it on cable pulse? Or did it already happen?
Computer Science Canada Hostage (kinda late) |
| Author: | Amailer [ Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:35 am ] |
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So... im sure everyone seen it. Pretty weird--- His standing in the middle of the street just talking crap :S odd... |
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| Author: | templest [ Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:22 pm ] |
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post a link to a video of this. Or is it on cable pulse? Or did it already happen? |
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| Author: | Paul [ Fri Aug 27, 2004 2:32 pm ] |
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oh the guy who got shot by police? if so I've seen this yesterday |
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| Author: | Amailer [ Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:02 pm ] |
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ya it happned yesterday, and it's real. No video.. well it was on tv -- crazy he just fell down. Head shot  |
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| Author: | Tony [ Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:51 pm ] |
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it happened wednesday morning... and apparently the guy's brain splattered
here's the article for those interested |
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| Author: | Amailer [ Fri Aug 27, 2004 5:15 pm ] |
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btw, his gun was jammed he couldn't kill her :S |
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| Author: | Tony [ Fri Aug 27, 2004 5:58 pm ] |
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amailer - that doesn't matter since you'd shit your pants if I put a replica up to your head  |
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| Author: | Amailer [ Fri Aug 27, 2004 6:04 pm ] |
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na--- ill stay cool and calm, and if scared ill simply faint  |
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| Author: | Dan [ Sat Aug 28, 2004 12:04 am ] |
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this is why i think the police forces should use nonleagth weapons like tasers or bean bag guns in thess sistuations. No need to kill some one, it is to much papaer work any how.... |
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| Author: | Genesis [ Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:39 am ] |
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I'm not sure how efficient a taser would be in a hostage situation. Even a bean bag gun would have to have to be a pretty accurate shot to make sure the guy with the gun is unconcious, unable to simply pull the trigger and kill the hostage. (In this case, they had no idea that his gun was jammed.) I think some situations call for lethal ammunition. Besides, the guy had already been in jail for beating his wife and kids, I don't think he had much desire to go back. And he DID try and shoot his wife. He got what he had coming. |
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| Author: | Paul [ Sat Aug 28, 2004 8:21 am ] |
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lol the tasers that shoot 2 prong thingys that delivers so much voltage it'll knock you out for a couple of hours. |
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| Author: | Martin [ Sat Aug 28, 2004 8:42 am ] |
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I'm glad they killed the guy. If he was just knocked out and arrested, everyone has to pay for him to be in jail. |
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| Author: | Mazer [ Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:14 pm ] |
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This is why we need Jedi. Or anime-quality ninjas. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:50 pm ] |
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wow darkness, may be you should go live in texus. Ya thos tasers they have now that shoot the progns whould work just as good as a gun if they could get close enougth. And i am prity shure a ben bag gun to the head whould knock you out for along time and posbley even kill you but at least it whould have a chance of not killing them. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:54 pm ] |
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Dan - the idea here is to knock the target out instantly, so that the triger will not be pulled as he's falling down. for a bean bag to achieve such results, it would have to be fired at velocities that if not kill, will fracture the skull of the target. now what do you suppose the community should do with a person who took someone hostage and now recieved brain damage? |
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| Author: | Dan [ Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:57 pm ] |
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pfff, still the taser was the best option. It whould knock them out just as much as killing them whould but w/o the dieing. |
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| Author: | Genesis [ Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:59 pm ] |
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Ya, the taser prong things sound like they may work. Better than a bean bag at least. Although I still don't think anything beats a bullet to the head for bringing down hostage takers quickly and efficiently. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:02 pm ] |
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and then what? "oh, I wasn't intending to splater my hostage's brains out like I attempted to kill my wife half an hour ago... it was all a joke. ha ha" didn't you find the situation funny dan? what do you suppose we do? "oh, well in that case you're free to go. Just don't scare us like that again... unless its halloween. Then you can borrow a m4 from us and stage a really dramatic show" |
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| Author: | Dan [ Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:09 pm ] |
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I have no idea what u mean there tony, but i do not blive in captile punshment and nether dose the canadian govement or we whould have death scentise. I think affter he wakes up in jail he should be tryed for atmepted murder and all that good stuff and probly end up in jail for some time (most of his life most likey) as well as have some long talks with a pysitishted. As for the jail system using up to much tax money, i think that only dangeruges crimals should be put in jail and not poleop who like cheat on there taxs. If you comit a cirem that is not volient at all and are not a phsical therat to pepoleop you should be put in home arested and not jail. That whould put alot of money back in the system. But i also think the hole captisis system is messed up and that there should be no money system like there is now so flowing thos ideas money whould not be a problem |
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| Author: | templest [ Sat Aug 28, 2004 7:35 pm ] |
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Paul Bian wrote: lol the tasers that shoot 2 prong thingys that delivers so much voltage it'll knock you out for a couple of hours.
You just described Quake 3's lightning gun. 
... I want one. 
Although I do agree with everything you said Dan, I do believe in capital punishment. I seriously think that there are some cases where a person just can't be cured any more, or made to be a valueable member of society. ie: A man who's raped 16 women and kill 7 of them. The man should be shot, or at least horribly, horribly, horribly tortured. |
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| Author: | Paul [ Sat Aug 28, 2004 8:03 pm ] |
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well, if you knew the women, u might feel that he has to be tortured, and justifiably so. But if you didn't know them, you would feel : "Torturing him won't reverse what he did, might as well kill him and make sure he doesn't do it again" and the tasers, sometimes intelligence workers who might be targets carry these if they don't want to carry side arms, but you have to make sure both prongs hit the person, or else it'll give a much reduced charge. |
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| Author: | templest [ Sat Aug 28, 2004 9:08 pm ] |
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Paul Bian wrote: well, if you knew the women, u might feel that he has to be tortured, and justifiably so. But if you didn't know them, you would feel : "Torturing him won't reverse what he did, might as well kill him and make sure he doesn't do it again" and the tasers, sometimes intelligence workers who might be targets carry these if they don't want to carry side arms, but you have to make sure both prongs hit the person, or else it'll give a much reduced charge.
I don't view the torturing as vengeance, I view it as punishment. Sending a person off to a prison really isn't a horrible thing (the only thing you have to fear is other prisoners, and not even that much if you know how to handle yourself). They get free food, cloathing, shelter, ect. Hardly real punishment. Now, if you stab someone in the face with a dull/rusty knife, and you get sent to a psychiatrist or juvy, I don't really think that's real punishment. Give the kid a good beating, then he'll think: "fuck, if I do that again, I'm going to have someone's fist shoved down my throught". If they're not going to behave well because of respect for others, at least they should behave becasue they'll be fucked-over if they don't. Don't think I'm trying to say we should have such strict rules and be denied all our freedomds and that there's only one way to behave. No, but if someone does murder someone, make them feel excrutiating pain for a couple of years, so that they know not to do it again. But in extream cases, just kill them to avoid them doing it again. Human rights is one thing, justifying crimes by cleverly manipulating the law is another. And rules like the above mentioned shouldn't really bother you. It's not like you'd have to deal with them, you're not going to go on a killing spree, so they don't apply to you. Right? Do you really like the idea of someone that tortured someone else and killed them being let out of jail 5 years later completely free to do what they want again? Jail to me is useless. All they do is send people to a big box, and give them a time out to think about what they've done. A person that does that won't think any differently after that much time in jail if you don't help them change their way of thinking. I say: Get rid of prisons. Kill off the really horrible / hopeless cases, help the ones that do have a chance at being recouperated. Obviously, you're not going to kill someone for shop-lifting or cheating on their income tax. btw: I love those tazers. Carry one in your pocket, and if someone pisses you off, just whip it out and watch them treat you like you're their best friend. Specially if you're known to use it gratuitively on anyone without feeling remorse.  |
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| Author: | Dan [ Sat Aug 28, 2004 11:36 pm ] |
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templest wrote: Human rights is one thing, justifying crimes by cleverly manipulating the law is another. I say it is the same thing.... templest wrote: And rules like the above mentioned shouldn't really bother you. It's not like you'd have to deal with them, you're not going to go on a killing spree, so they don't apply to you. Right? Idk, after reading some of your posts......no you are probly right but that dose not mean that killing poleop who kill poleop will help anything. ALL life is import we can not just go around killing it. templest wrote: Do you really like the idea of someone that tortured someone else and killed them being let out of jail 5 years later completely free to do what they want again? I do blive that they should not be killed but i do not blive they should just get 5 years. templest wrote: Jail to me is useless. All they do is send people to a big box, and give them a time out to think about what they've done. A person that does that won't think any differently after that much time in jail if you don't help them change their way of thinking. They are trying to chage there ways tho, that is the hole idea of the system, that and to stop them from comiting the crime agaen. templest wrote: I say: Get rid of prisons. Kill off the really horrible / hopeless cases, help the ones that do have a chance at being recouperated. Obviously, you're not going to kill someone for shop-lifting or cheating on their income tax. Shure it starts with just killing the horrible ones but where dose it stop, keep geting more and more nuts till walking on the law is a death centienc. I say keep the system prity much as it is, but put less degareuers cirmals in home arested rather then jail. An eye for an eye only leaves the world blind. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Sun Aug 29, 2004 12:47 am ] |
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Hacker Dan wrote: ALL life is import we can not just go around killing it.
I donno Dan... there's affuly a lot of people around. Some are more usefull than others  |
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