Shh, im sure there is a logical explination for this..... *blame it on dan*
Computer Science Canada Who Took my bits |
| Author: | shorthair [ Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:10 pm ] |
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Cause if your gonna steal bits you should make a post stating why none of this steal and hide crap , i did nothing wrong if someone can find somthing that i did wrong then please correct me , but for now i still deserve an answer |
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| Author: | Maverick [ Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:54 pm ] |
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Ya thats happened to me before. Cept i lost like 800 |
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| Author: | we64 [ Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:58 pm ] |
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I lost 150 bits... |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:04 pm ] |
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its totally unfair , no warning no nothing , i try to help out around here and try to get into the community and help admin out , and hte mmords go and d ocrap like that , there is no need for that any of that behaviourat all , |
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| Author: | Amailer [ Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:19 pm ] |
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Shh, im sure there is a logical explination for this..... *blame it on dan* |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:38 pm ] |
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There was no need for that , i specified hte rules kept it polite gave him a chance , and helped him finish hte app in my next posts , if this was not ou then i am very sorry but it happened in your forum and .hack as given 100 bits , thanks to me telling him hte rules he has now chaned hte topic name and made some improvements to hte code , im here to hel pi dont see why you have t obe arrogant and take bits when i was doing a good deed , ***** Message from me to Asian about his behaviour ****** , hope im right |
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| Author: | AsianSensation [ Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:42 pm ] |
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http://www.compsci.ca/v2/viewtopic.php?t=3433&start=0 read. Also, I didn't give .hack 100 bits, for I don't have a reason to. I knew people wouldn't read my announcement thingie, and now you people don't even check up on locked topics? I'm sure I made it clear to always explain why I lock a topic. Any posts that I deem are spam, in the turing section, will cause the spammer to suffer consequences. |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:46 pm ] |
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Well how about the fact that you locked hte topic after we posted ( obviously or we would not of been able to post ) if that is hte post you took my bits from that is rediculous i had code postd but it confused him so i tok it off , also i am an actimve member , why are you being so harsh on me , you gave me no warning and no nothing , jsut took my bits and made a scene , why did you hav eto do that , im trying to help people and work on a story for the cTeam , while doing other things on compsci and you have the nerve t opick on me for a little mistake , who d oyou think you are , sre your a moderator and i hav eutmost respect for you , but actions like these show nothing but abuse of your power , Shorthair |
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| Author: | Tony [ Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:01 pm ] |
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asian - sure shorthair spams a lot, but at the same time he's a good active member and often has something good to say. That... and he's on the cTeam  so cut him some slack, will you?
Besides, Dan posted that although you're allowed and sometimes should take bits away from spammers, do that in reasonable ammounts 
I'm not going to babysit you guys, there're 1000 other members, so learn to deal with each other. |
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| Author: | AsianSensation [ Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:04 pm ] |
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Well, let's break this down bit by bit (ha, notice the pun) shall we? shorthair wrote: Well how about the fact that you locked hte topic after we posted ( obviously or we would not of been able to post )
That's the whole point of locking topics, so no one else could post afterward. shorthair wrote: if that is hte post you took my bits from that is rediculous i had code postd but it confused him so i tok it off , also i am an actimve member ,
I didn't take away your bits because of that one particular post, if you would read your own posts sometimes, then I would think talking about how your gr 10 assignment was "bad boy" may categorize as spam? Now I thought they were asking for palindromes, not about "bad boy" assignments. shorthair wrote: why are you being so harsh on me , you gave me no warning and no nothing , jsut took my bits and made a scene , why did you hav eto do that
I clearly gave out warnings, it's called an Announcement, clearly stating that bits will be taken away from anyone that I deem to be spamming. As for making a scene, I am not the one doing it, you are. As far as everyone else is concerned, you didn't have to post this topic, could have just PMed me and we could have settled this in private. shorthair wrote: im trying to help people and work on a story for the cTeam , while doing other things on compsci
Excuses, writing stories for cTeam has nothing to do with this. shorthair wrote: and you have the nerve t opick on me for a little mistake , who d oyou think you are , sre your a moderator and i hav eutmost respect for you , but actions like these show nothing but abuse of your power
I don't think that highly of myself, but I get very irritated when people are being wholly ignorant. And since I have the power to stop this spread of ignorance, I will do it. Abusing powers are when I do something that is totally unfair, but I think I have stated my case, and explained step by step for the intent of my actions. |
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| Author: | Maverick [ Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:09 pm ] |
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writing stories has everything to do with this! |
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| Author: | Paul [ Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:58 pm ] |
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Heh, I don't really mind the bits, and the reason I missed the post is because I read the second page, cause I thought dodge blocked it, but maybe you should have explained more into what your definition of "spamming" is, anything not to do with compsci? or what? and you left me with all this time, not having anyone to make the target of vengence to... in my head... Though I'm not really angry, cause bits arn't all that important as to flame people and I only lost about 164, with about 100 coming from an unknown donator, so thats little compared to shorthair's bits. Im just a bit disillusioned about moderators in general. And I think I post more non-spam than spam, and I help people as much as I can: FearSonic wrote: paulbian.. that is PERFECT! Thanks to both of you though!
Well, time to start saving again... 2 down 2998 to go. |
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| Author: | Martin [ Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:15 pm ] |
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Alright well now everybody knows, let's stop yelling at each other. If I could lock this post I would, but I'm not trusted enough over the spam section it would seem. |
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| Author: | Paul [ Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:17 pm ] |
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Darkness wrote: Alright well now everybody knows, let's stop yelling at each other. If I could lock this post I would, but I'm not trusted enough over the spam section it would seem.
No one is yelling, I don't count all that many exclaimation signs. We're having a peaceful non-flaming conversation. Peace. |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:24 pm ] |
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Agreed , i just belive that the conflict neeeded to be sorted in public as other people have had bits disapear with no explenation , i think that if your gonna take em away or punish someone they should know what caused it , so that they can learn from it , asians rules should be indluded in dans rules if they want to be seen , im fine with them but a warning would be nice , i was jsut wondering why all of a sudden bits go away , yes i spam but tell me that you havent spammed before ANYONE and il show you a liar , this obviously dosent apply to new peopel but the " usual guys " you know who you are , |
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| Author: | Krabjuice [ Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:11 pm ] |
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Great, welcome to an dark age of dictatorship over the land of Turingna. Now, travelers and citizins alike will be weary of our small little province, and fear to enter for punishment. I forsee a great exodus from the land. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:44 am ] |
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thats was lame -5 bits |
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| Author: | McKenzie [ Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:42 am ] |
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I don't know Dodge, Krab is making a reasonable point. For those who aren't quite seeing both sides of this. SPAMMERS ~~~~~~~ - Like hanging out on compsci.ca. It's kinda like messenger with a purpose. Get to feel the enjoyment of helping people and increasing their own knowledge. - Like up-to-date posts, like to see new posts because they are checking often. - Don't mind obeying rules, but want to see them applied consistantly, and have punishments fit the offence. - see bits as a level of respect. When Someone says good job they respect you. When someone says good job +50 bits it means a lot more it seems tangable. ANGRY MODS ~~~~~~~~~ - Been around compsci for a while and feel a little upset because the site is at risk of being drowned in irrelevence. - Mods make it a point of trying to read ALL posts. Recently this has become more frustrating. - Examples of annoying posts. Quote: <user1> "What is recursion?"
<user2> "I have no idea" Seems innocent enough, #2 is just trying to tell #1 that "I read your post (I'm not ignoring you), but can't help" To the ANGRY MOD the reaction when reading it is "#2 Why the heck did you bother posting? That is 3 seconds of my life that I'll never get back" Quote: <user1> "I'm working on Pong. How do you get the ball to animate as it travels?"
<user2> "My pong game was awesome. We hade guys from the tech wing skipping class to play it!!! lol" Again, to the ANGRY MOD, "I don't care how good your pong is. I could make that in 5 min with both hands tied behind my back with red ant checking at my eyes!" Keep it on topic as much as possible. Avoid bragging, you're not the best one here (odds are) - Rule of thumb, most one liners will piss off a MOD. I pesonally don't get that offended at spamming, I just skip over it. It's flaming that gets to me. I know that almost all members of compsci want the site to be a good as possible. I think a little give from both sides will help. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:46 am ] |
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exactly, now can i have my bit powers back? |
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| Author: | Paul [ Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:47 am ] |
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Wow! mackenzie, have you thought of going into psychology? That was a brilliant analysis, before that post, I didn't know why the mods acted the way they did, but your explanation makes this all make sense.  I mourn for my lost bits... but I can't say I didn't deserve it, even under a harsh rule. |
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| Author: | Andy [ Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:48 am ] |
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he took psych in uni, got an A+ without reading the book |
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| Author: | Mazer [ Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:54 am ] |
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dodge_tomahawk wrote: he took psych in uni, got an A+ without reading the book
My goodness! Dodge, that sounds like an actual relevant post for the "Person above me" thread. Oh well. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Tue Feb 03, 2004 7:32 pm ] |
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dodge_tomahawk wrote: exactly, now can i have my bit powers back?
how about by not giving 1000 of bits to poleop for posting in spam and start giving bits to poleop who post helpfull things? Also i agger with what McKenzie is saying and personaly i dont take bits from poleop for posting litte stuff like that. it is the mass spaming of porn and other such matterals that gets me ANGRY |
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| Author: | Amailer [ Tue Feb 03, 2004 8:04 pm ] |
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[quote="Hacker Dan"] dodge_tomahawk wrote: t is the mass spaming of porn and other such matterals that gets me ANGRY
ya, because thos things...get compsci blocked from my school comps -.- |
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| Author: | Andy [ Tue Feb 03, 2004 8:41 pm ] |
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of course, u go to grade school |
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| Author: | Dan [ Wed Feb 04, 2004 4:27 pm ] |
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hey Amailer is it still blocked b/c if it is i will talk to ur school borads tech poleop and tell them to get it off the ban list. |
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| Author: | naoki [ Wed Feb 04, 2004 4:48 pm ] |
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with all the rules that you put in place dan i don't think dodge will be as carefree and reckless (in a sad way) nowadays the bits thing is killing all the mods, btw |
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| Author: | Amailer [ Wed Feb 04, 2004 5:06 pm ] |
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Hacker Dan wrote: hey Amailer is it still blocked b/c if it is i will talk to ur school borads tech poleop and tell them to get it off the ban list.
Nope, it's okay now. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Wed Feb 04, 2004 9:30 pm ] |
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naoki wrote: with all the rules that you put in place dan i don't think dodge will be as carefree and reckless (in a sad way) nowadays
the bits thing is killing all the mods, btw sigh, it is lol. just that if poleop give out millions of bits i will have to get ride of most of the good stuff in the shop. also i dont whont mods taking tones of bits ether. the bits where sposted to be a way to rewared poleop for helping in the help sections. since u can donate bits if u where helped and where a nice person u could give the person who helped u bits. and also mods could give ther person who helped bits and give bits to poleop who post turoials and sorce code. but now it seems the mods ether dont touch bits, give tones of bits for no reason or take tones of bits for sligth infractions in the rules. |
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| Author: | Cervantes [ Thu Feb 05, 2004 9:18 pm ] |
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I think a better understanding of spam is needed here. Mckenzie showed us what is spam, here is what spam isn't. http://www.compsci.ca/v2/viewtopic.php?t=3242&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 (this topic was progressing right before Asian decided to create the spam rule) that's not spam. a discussion about black holes and physics and some theories about space and the universe. no way that's spam. it relates to the subject, though it wasn't discussing the program that Catalyst made. threads evolve, and there's notthing bad about that. http://www.compsci.ca/v2/viewtopic.php?t=3415 (this was the topic where Asian created the spam rule) that's not spam. boarder16 thought that Turing was useless and we were trying to convince him otherwise. Giving examples of why Turing is easier to learn than other languages and comparing Turing's basic put command to the put commands of other languages? thats not spam. It doesn't relate to the thread name, but who cares? honestly. threads evolve, discussions move to new topics. such discussions add to the compsci website, not flood it. Asian, look at the gravity thread (the first one). would you consider it spam if, instead of posting shorter replies, everyone wrote a short essay summarizing their thoughts? if you think that is still spam, then maybe you should partake in the conversation and maybe try to stop it from developing. It can't be done. if you don't think that's spam, then you qualify spam as short replies. There's nothing wrong with short replies, that's how a discussion happens. One persons thoughts about black holes at that moment could be short, but just as relevent and worthy as another person's thoughts that are explained in detail. There's nothing wrong with topics that evolve into new topics, there's nothing wrong with short replies. The only thing that matters is whether a post adds to the compsci website. Do you really think that a discussion about black holes does not add something to the compsci community? |
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| Author: | Paul [ Thu Feb 05, 2004 9:39 pm ] |
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That was definately not spam cervantes. But I think Azn already is easier on the rule. if you look at the turing section now, there are some posts that are no better than the ones you linked above, some even worse, like 3 words and he hasn't gotten angry. I think azn just wanted to make examples out of us and strike fear into our hearts. |
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| Author: | AsianSensation [ Thu Feb 05, 2004 11:00 pm ] |
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Paul Bian wrote: I think azn just wanted to make examples out of us and strike fear into our hearts.
"To kill a chicken for the monkeys to see" - Ancient Chinese proverb basicly, that meant to make an example out of someone so no one else will attempt again. So far, it's working. btw, Cervantes, A discussion on physics is relevent, and often educational, I would not consider that spam. Spam is when you talk like you would on MSN. To the second link, Most of the stuff were spam in the first page, and since a topic already existed about whether turing is useful language or not, then I would have to lock another topic gearing toward the same conversation. You are telling me having repeated conversations of the same topic is not spam? |
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| Author: | Paul [ Thu Feb 05, 2004 11:02 pm ] |
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[quote="AsianSensation] basicly, that meant to make an example out of someone so no one else will attempt again. So far, it's working. [/quote] Is this just for the turing Help section? cause I swear I see a post with one word. |
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| Author: | Cervantes [ Fri Feb 06, 2004 4:20 pm ] |
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no Asian, it is not spam if there are two discussions on the same or similar topic. Many people don't use the search funtion before they ask for help and they ask a question that has already been asked. It's not spam to answer that's person's question. also in the second link I (as best I could) said what McKenzie said in a previous thread comparring Turing to Java and C. I don't think Boarder16 saw the first thread, but I'm pretty sure he saw it in his own forum. I was just getting a point across. As for making an example of somebody, it would appear as though you made an example of 5 people. Hacker Dan wrote: hummm, lets take a look dans bit log wrote: AsianSensation paulbian -100 AsianSensation we64 -100 AsianSensation paulbian -59 AsianSensation we64 -89 AsianSensation jonos -100 AsianSensation recneps -90 AsianSensation shorthair -200 seems to be more than just making an example to me... a total of 738 bits were taken away. furthermore, it appears that when Paulbian lost 59 bits he lost ALL the bits he had at that time. It would also appear that when we64 lost 89 bits, he lost ALL his bits. That appears to be a rather harsh and exagerrated AsianSensation wrote: example out of someone |
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| Author: | recneps [ Fri Feb 06, 2004 4:59 pm ] |
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and just as tony said that dan said, bit can be removed in REASONABLE amounts. No matter how much they spammed, thats abusing powers to take away 200 bits. I agree with what you're doing, but people only get 1 or 2 bits per post. i dont think 3 spam posts or whatever is worth 200 posts worth of bits. you should only take maybe 5 bits per spam post. Honestly. Edit:Oh and, of the "spam" posts which i have made, which are simply either telling aperson that i understand what they are saying, but cannot help, they are not being ignored, makes me lose ALL my bits now? |
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| Author: | Dan [ Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:05 pm ] |
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let it go allready. he has easyed off the spamers now any way, no need to keep this going. |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:29 pm ] |
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i have no problem letting it go when the rules are firmed up all i want to know is why i got more taken away , i thin kif you spam it should be per post and a set # for each one , not random numbers you make uptaht make 2 guys lose all eh bits they worked to get , it was a whole one post , i mean we have had spammers that take over forums , and then say their sorry and nothing happens to them , ???? . , jsut make you rules about spamming more clear , and last i go by compsci rules not yours , if its in Dans Rule list i follow it , but jsut takin matter into your own hands without giving a warning on hte main page or pm ing all active users , " il let it go when he cleans up his statements " |
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| Author: | AsianSensation [ Fri Feb 06, 2004 6:04 pm ] |
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There is always a way to find excuses, if I took bits from 1 person, they will tell me why I only picked on them and not anyone else. If I took bits from multiple people, people will complain why didn't I take bits from 1 person, if it's only to make an example out of someone. If I take too little, then that would not stop the useless posts in relevent threads. If I take too much, then you complain about the amount of bits that I took, which, may I add, that most of these people received through spamming, 1 way or another. I am pretty sure shorthair's programming skills did not gave him 3000+ bits (even if a third came from Mazer). Think a moment before you talk, and speak intelligently. "il let it go when he cleans up his statements" just makes you look childish, like some petulant toddler who cries because he was punished for breaking a precious vase. As I said, to the people that lost their bits, it was to make an example out of you guys. You just happened to spam on that particular day, on that particular thread. Guess it wasn't your lucky day. To all the other people that asked me the validity of their posts, whether it was spam or not, here is the guideline: if the post is like one of the msg you would type to your friends while using MSN, then it's spam. Educational posts, such as a relevent discussion, would not be spam. However, as soon as you diverge into the direction of useless posts, such as "Sorry, dude, can't help you there." when 1 question was asked, then that would be spam. I mean, why would you ever answer a question if you don't know the answer? I am sure alot of other people can't help with that problem, but if everyone posts "no, can't help you", then we wouldn't be much of a help forum. |
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