mirhagk @ Tue May 15, 2012 5:51 pm wrote:
is mini usb the one that every phone (except iphone) uses?
Yes...
md, please answer my question when you see it
Computer Science Canada I hate Rasberry Pi |
| Author: | mirhagk [ Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | I hate Rasberry Pi |
Well I can't actually hate it, because I don't have one yet, and the device actually looks pretty awesome for $35, and I have wicked plans for it. But it's back ordered and I don't get the one I ordered until August it says. That kinda sucks. I know they are working as fast as they can, but this is usually why awesome, cheap, charity like projects usually fail. They tell everyone about it, but then it's years before people can actually get their hands on it, so everyone loses interest, and the project goes broke. What do others think is the future of rasberry pi? Will it be successful with a pre-order not being fulfilled for 4 months, and it probably being a year or 2 before they actually get to the point where you can get a rasberry pi when you order it, or will it fall to the side, and everyone forget about it before then? |
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| Author: | Insectoid [ Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
All those pre-orders will allow them the scale up production in order to meet demand. Just deal with it. Every new product has a few hiccoughs. |
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| Author: | ProgrammingFun [ Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I hate Rasberry Pi |
mirhagk @ Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:28 am wrote: But it's back ordered and I don't get the one I ordered until August it says.
Well at least you ordered... By the time I got the chance, orders were already closed so I can probably start ordering around the time you get your Pi. I'm really interested in this thing, my original plan was to replace Cable with this but considering the long backorders, I might just get this for fun and get the Vizio Stream Player for my cable replacement tool. |
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| Author: | mirhagk [ Thu Mar 15, 2012 1:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
@insectoid, well most products you don't have to wait a year to get your hands on it, and usually back orders don't take 4 months. I mean with pre-orders and back orders, they have the money, so not enough initial capital to swing into full production isn't even an excuse. The problem isn't something that exists everywhere (yeah sometimes products run out initially, but it's usually a matter of weeks to get back into overstock than months or years). The problem is that it's a charity thing, so they can't 100% commit their time to it. |
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| Author: | md [ Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I hate Rasberry Pi |
ProgrammingFun @ 2012-03-15, 12:37 pm wrote: mirhagk @ Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:28 am wrote: But it's back ordered and I don't get the one I ordered until August it says.
Well at least you ordered... By the time I got the chance, orders were already closed so I can probably start ordering around the time you get your Pi. I'm really interested in this thing, my original plan was to replace Cable with this but considering the long backorders, I might just get this for fun and get the Vizio Stream Player for my cable replacement tool. Order one (or more!) now from Element14. You won't get it until june-ish probably, but you'll get it. I imagine that as teh number of orders increase the purchase sizes from the distributors will increase and thus the costs will go down (and more people will be hired to make them). The big problem with the launch was that demand was at least an order of magnitude more then the size of the initial batch, possibly two order of magnitude greater. There is just no way to make any sort of distribution sheme seem fair with that kind of demand. The low initial batch size was due to the limited amount of money the Raspberry Py foundation had to order them but now that the Raspberry Pi foundation has teamed up with distributors who have deeper pockets I expect the supply to grow quickly. |
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| Author: | ProgrammingFun [ Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I hate Rasberry Pi |
md @ Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:38 pm wrote: Order one (or more!) now from Element14. You won't get it until june-ish probably, but you'll get it. I imagine that as teh number of orders increase the purchase sizes from the distributors will increase and thus the costs will go down (and more people will be hired to make them).
Orders closed on the first day due to excessive demand. The only option now is "Register Your Interest". |
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| Author: | md [ Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
Hmm, I didn't realize that they had closed orders entirely. Seems they also raised prices which sucks. I'm hoping that my order gets through un-mollested and at the price they sold them for. |
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| Author: | mirhagk [ Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
Where did they raise prices, I just purchased on for $35. The most annoying part is that I registered my interest, then got an e-mail from them saying I could order it now. To me that sounds like they are ready to ship again, or at least within the week. The worst part is they didn't say anywhere how long it'd take until I ordered it, I mean what if I paid for expensive shipping or something, that'd kinda be a waste. |
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| Author: | md [ Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
I believe they state that they won't charge your CC until *after* it ships. The price increase I got from looking at the prices published on the Raspberry Pi website. |
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| Author: | mirhagk [ Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
well what's the new price? I can only see $35 and $25, how it's been for a while. And yeah I know they say they won't charge it, but now it's going to be unexpected lol. |
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| Author: | md [ Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
$47 for the model B, as per http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/826 It does say they'll honour the lower price if you ordered before the costs went up, so looks like it'll be good for those of us who got one the morning after. |
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| Author: | hamid14 [ Sun May 13, 2012 12:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I hate Rasberry Pi |
I thougth this thing was pretty sweet, until i read that it runs linux. If this could run xp or 7 (doubt it) with ease, then I'd think about buying it. Also there are other tiny computers for less than $150. |
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| Author: | Insectoid [ Sun May 13, 2012 12:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I hate Rasberry Pi |
hamid14 @ Sun May 13, 2012 12:03 pm wrote: I thougth this thing was pretty sweet, until i read that it runs linux. If this could run xp or 7 (doubt it) with ease, then I'd think about buying it. Also there are other tiny computers for less than $150.
What do you want to do with this that you need Windows? Linux is fine for what Raspberry Pi will be used for. Also, the cost to ship it with a Windows license is probably more than the total cost of the computer itself. Win8 should be able to run on this eventually since an ARM release is planned. |
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| Author: | rdrake [ Sun May 13, 2012 1:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I hate Rasberry Pi |
hamid14 @ Sun May 13, 2012 12:03 pm wrote: I thougth this thing was pretty sweet, until i read that it runs linux. If this could run xp or 7 (doubt it) with ease, then I'd think about buying it. Also there are other tiny computers for less than $150. Why would you want to run Windows in the first place, let alone on this?
There are other tiny computers, but $150 >>> $35. |
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| Author: | Raknarg [ Sun May 13, 2012 6:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
A tiny computer is still overcomplicated. The point of this device isnt trying to make the smallest computer possible, it's to make the simplest one. |
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| Author: | md [ Sun May 13, 2012 7:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
Um, the raspberry pi is pretty simple. It's small because there isn't much to it. The point of the Raspi isn't to make a simple computer either though, it is to make a cheap computer which would allow every student to have their own. I would say that they've succeeded. As for actually getting your hands on one, I *should* get one in the mail in the next week or so and then two more before the end of June. When I get one perhaps I'll do a quick review of it (if there's interest). |
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| Author: | Raknarg [ Sun May 13, 2012 8:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
Really? When I heard about it, it was explained to me basically as a teaching tool, to explain how computers work or something. Nevermind then. |
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| Author: | ProgrammingFun [ Mon May 14, 2012 6:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
Raknarg @ Sun May 13, 2012 8:10 pm wrote: Really? When I heard about it, it was explained to me basically as a teaching tool, to explain how computers work or something. Nevermind then. Yeah, according to the inventor, it was given a charity twist to avoid suppliers ripping them off for parts and hence driving up the price.
I ordered mine last week for $35 from element14 ($12 shipping whut?) but I have no idea when it'll ship. |
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| Author: | md [ Mon May 14, 2012 10:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
ProgrammingFun @ 2012-05-14, 6:31 am wrote: Raknarg @ Sun May 13, 2012 8:10 pm wrote: Really? When I heard about it, it was explained to me basically as a teaching tool, to explain how computers work or something. Nevermind then. Yeah, according to the inventor, it was given a charity twist to avoid suppliers ripping them off for parts and hence driving up the price.It's a charity because they are re-investing the small amount of profit they make into education about programming, and because they are not in it to make a huge profit. |
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| Author: | mirhagk [ Mon May 14, 2012 10:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I hate Rasberry Pi |
Insectoid @ Sun May 13, 2012 12:41 pm wrote: hamid14 @ Sun May 13, 2012 12:03 pm wrote: I thougth this thing was pretty sweet, until i read that it runs linux. If this could run xp or 7 (doubt it) with ease, then I'd think about buying it. Also there are other tiny computers for less than $150.
What do you want to do with this that you need Windows? Linux is fine for what Raspberry Pi will be used for. Also, the cost to ship it with a Windows license is probably more than the total cost of the computer itself. Win8 should be able to run on this eventually since an ARM release is planned. Actually the fact that it is linux knocks out quite a few of my ideas. Most of them are things like turning it into a tablet-like pc with XNA (since using openGL would take too long to actually be worth it), and things with the Kinect and C# (which are still possible of course, just going to be more difficult as I need to learn a new system for all of them). The biggest thing was an idea that quite a few people had, and that would've been an amazing selling point to the masses. You can hook this up to a tv with very little effort, so this could've been a very low cost netflix/crackle device. That is not a possibility without windows and silverlight, and while I'm debating setting up a system with bittorrent to have the same effect, it's more difficult, iffy legality, and not for the masses. One area this could kill is in a low cost, completely mod-able console. The thing is that these devices are so small and cheap that you could build in network computing, and have various games require multiple raspberry pi's to operate. A 700 Mhz processor with 256 MB ram is decent enough for smaller games, and then better games could quite simply operate on multiple devices. For instance you could have one device handle all the animation, another one handle the physics, another AI, and one just to link them all together. A dedicated 700 Mhz CPU with a GPU that supports 1080p could probably handle decent graphics (not top of the line games of course, but probably low settings for most games). This is something I am going to be interested in working on, and since the device is already out there, all you need to work on is the software. If anyone knows of a tutorial or something on how to customize a flavour of linux that would be awesome, mostly I'm looking at just providing a different user interface that is centered around games and works with a controller rather than a mouse and a keyboard (although both could be supported). |
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| Author: | hamid14 [ Mon May 14, 2012 3:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I hate Rasberry Pi |
if its a computer with any OS like linux/windows/mac there can't be an intended purpose, because the consumer that buys it can choose to not use it for the intended purpose. I use my shoe box as a safe box for all my cash, but it was meant to hold shoes.[/quote] |
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| Author: | Raknarg [ Mon May 14, 2012 4:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
Just because you use something other than its intended purpose doesnt mean thats not its intended purpose. Im guesssing you've been on reddit enough; some teenagers dont wear all their socks. |
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| Author: | md [ Mon May 14, 2012 8:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
On a non-"this lacks windows and therefore I'm dumb" note, my first Pi arrived today! Gotta try out the debian package and see what's what. |
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| Author: | hamid14 [ Tue May 15, 2012 10:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I hate Rasberry Pi |
do they ship a casing for it when you buy it? |
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| Author: | md [ Tue May 15, 2012 11:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I hate Rasberry Pi |
hamid14 @ 2012-05-15, 10:05 am wrote: do they ship a casing for it when you buy it?
Nope, bare board (as advertised). So far it seems to run quite nicely, especially with the Arch Linux port. The debian port was kinda slow and running the default X desktop was painful due to the lack of memory. The biggest issue I see is that an SD card is going to have a very limited lifetime when used for this sort of thing (and is kinda slow). Using a USB hard drive for root is probably a much better idea (if it'll power it, I have yet to try it). |
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| Author: | ProgrammingFun [ Tue May 15, 2012 5:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
Wait, one question, they say you need a miniUSB to power this, one that gives 5V. Can I use the standard ones that come with any electronic? I think those are 12v, not sure...or do I need to order that special adapter separately as well? |
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| Author: | mirhagk [ Tue May 15, 2012 5:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
is mini usb the one that every phone (except iphone) uses? |
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| Author: | ProgrammingFun [ Tue May 15, 2012 8:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
mirhagk @ Tue May 15, 2012 5:51 pm wrote: is mini usb the one that every phone (except iphone) uses?
Yes... md, please answer my question when you see it |
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| Author: | chrisbrown [ Tue May 15, 2012 11:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
@PF: All USB devices use 5 volts, although current capabilities vary. The R-Pi needs 700mA which is fairly high, so you'll need to make sure your power source can supply that. @mirhagk: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MicroB_USB_Plug.jpg">This one.</a> It's actually a micro-B connector. |
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| Author: | ProgrammingFun [ Wed May 16, 2012 6:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
chrisbrown @ Tue May 15, 2012 11:30 pm wrote: @PF: All USB devices use 5 volts, although current capabilities vary. The R-Pi needs 700mA which is fairly high, so you'll need to make sure your power source can supply that. Thanks for letting me know.
I guess I'll just have to order it from element14 then. |
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| Author: | md [ Wed May 16, 2012 10:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
Pretty much any micro USB phone charger will provide enough power, especially if you've using a powered USB hub instead of connecting USB devices directly to the pi. The biggest issues I've found with the board (I admittedly haven't used it very much yet) is that with ports on all sides it's a nightmare for cord management. The lack of a dedicated power switch is also annoying as it means having to pull the power cord every time you need to reboot (no support for rebooting) or power off. I think hacking together a power control that works off of one of the IO pins is probably going to be one of the more useful add ons. |
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| Author: | mirhagk [ Fri May 18, 2012 8:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
Hey MD I've been trying to figure out information on the GPIO pins, how are they accessed by the PI? Are they used as if it was a parrallel port? I'm wondering because I'd like to see if I could set up a framework for PI's to communicate through them, so I'd like to know if I need to learn a new language and/or framework for that to happen. |
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| Author: | md [ Fri May 18, 2012 1:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
I haven't looked into it at all, I'm more interested in using the PIs I bought for their (limited) computing power. I have a feeling that the GPIO drivers are well documented somewhere though. Either on the forums or wiki. |
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| Author: | mirhagk [ Sat May 19, 2012 10:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
wait, you got plural? |
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| Author: | md [ Sun May 20, 2012 12:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
mirhagk @ 2012-05-19, 10:53 pm wrote: wait, you got plural?
Of course! 3 to be exact. Only one has actually arrived, but the other two are supposed to be here by the end of June. |
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| Author: | mirhagk [ Mon May 21, 2012 11:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
Oh okay, when did you order them? I got it like 3 days after it was announced, and I got on the waiting list and pre-ordered one like a couple weeks later. Still have to wait until June they say. |
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| Author: | ProgrammingFun [ Mon May 21, 2012 12:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
Heh, I ordered it last week when element14 accidentally opened preorders...guess I'm getting it next year then. |
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| Author: | mirhagk [ Mon May 21, 2012 2:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
Probably lol |
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| Author: | md [ Mon May 21, 2012 3:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
mirhagk @ 2012-05-21, 11:58 am wrote: Oh okay, when did you order them? I got it like 3 days after it was announced, and I got on the waiting list and pre-ordered one like a couple weeks later. Still have to wait until June they say.
From RS about 10 minutes after their site went live, from Element 14 about 12 hours later when it would actually load. |
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| Author: | apomb [ Thu May 24, 2012 9:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
A challenger has appeared! Link This one seems a bit easier to manage the cables to since it is ATX compliant. Maximum PC wrote: The Via APC fits into any mini-ATX or micro-ATX
pretty neat stuff. |
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| Author: | mirhagk [ Thu May 24, 2012 10:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
Also it uses a VIA chip that (correct me if I'm wrong) can run windows, ie silverlight, ie netflix on it. That may be a selling point to me over the pi. It also has more ram and built in flash memory (which hopefully makes it possible to store the OS on either the SD card or the built in memory). However the lack of a graphics card kinda puts in behind the pi. The pi has graphics capable of what the original Xbox had with 1080, the APC only supports 720 and with integrated graphics won't be able to do anything special. The PI is still better for people who want to experiment with hardware, and for a low cost machine that has quite a bit of computing power. (24 GigaFLOPS for the graphics card, so with a suitable multi-threaded application it could actually be faster than a lot of modern PCs). The APC seems like it's targeting the low cost computer market more, so that consumers can get a half decent machine for a very low cost. I'll probably end up getting one of each. EDIT: Regardless of whether it can run windows, if it can run android apps netflix has an android app I'm pretty sure. |
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| Author: | md [ Thu May 24, 2012 5:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
apomb @ 2012-05-24, 9:40 am wrote: A challenger has appeared! Link ...
A challenger that draws considerably more power. I do like the board layout a lot more then the PI's rather hap-hazzard port placement though. Anyone considering running windows on that had best kick themselves though. Unless you're running Windows 98/XP you won't have nearly enough power. VIA has a horrible reputation for drivers too, so that is most likely going to be the biggest issue. |
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| Author: | mirhagk [ Fri May 25, 2012 8:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
Obviously it'd run terribly slow, but if you got a stripped down version of xp or even windows 7 (people have made versions removing features that are not needed, or you could even run a normal version killing nearly every process and turning off all the windows features and uninstalling programs. All you need is silverlight and netflix. Anyways if this is android, and supports their apps, you can just use the netflix android app (I'm assuming, although I'm not sure if they'd have some sort of restriction that'd prevent you from doing it). The programming on this won't be quite as fun as the pi though, so I'll get a VIA for my netflix box, and the pi for programming and all around fun-ness |
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| Author: | ProgrammingFun [ Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
Engadget's impressions weren't very good for it as an HTPC so can anyone please confirm this? Thanks a lot. Quote: Debian "squeeze" distro suggested for use with the board and opening a couple of tabs is enough to bring the entire system to a standstill. In fact, simply launching Engadget was enough to pin the CPU and bring the OS to a standstill for at least a few minutes. And don't even think about watching streaming videos -- there is no support for Flash or HTML 5 at the moment. And, in case there was any doubt in your mind about how painful just web browsing could be on this thing, we ran SunSpider (which also pinned the CPU) and got a score of 44,230. By comparison, our OG Droid (which is clocked at just 550MHz, but has the advantage of being a Cortex A8 chip) pulled a 11,188. |
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| Author: | mirhagk [ Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
Yeah the PI isn't really meant to actually be used lol, it's just a toy to play around with. The part I'm interested in is those GPIO pins and the graphics card (which is quite decent for it's price) |
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| Author: | vahnx [ Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
Mine arrived at the end of May I believe. I already had a micro usb cable so I just plugged it into the USB port in the back of my TV and it works great! Finally a use for the USB ports on my TV since they are FAT32 capable when it comes to reading media. |
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| Author: | mirhagk [ Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
Yeah I got mine, was experimenting a bit with it. It's a fine little tinker toy, too bad I'm too busy to actual sit down and play with it. |
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| Author: | mirhagk [ Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
Apparently I was so excited about this that I ordered 2 of them. Well the 2nd just arrived in the mail much to my surprise lol. |
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| Author: | vahnx [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
I got mine after about a month. Got an SD card, installed Raspbmc, configured it to work, watched a movie, stuck it in a drawer and never used it again. |
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| Author: | Insectoid [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
I want to get one of these so I can build an autopilot for an RC sailboat. |
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| Author: | mirhagk [ Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:I hate Rasberry Pi |
That's kinda what I want to do as well, I want to get some motors or something and build a roomba kind of creature that can self-navigate. |
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