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Turing 4.0.5 Update
Author:  Dan [ Sat Jan 17, 2004 8:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Turing 4.0.5 Update
Turing 4.0.5(download temporary unavailable) is out for all to enjoy, but what chages will it bring you ask?

Well heres a run down of what we found to be new to 4.0.5:

New Comands (Comands that docmenutation has been added for)
    arccos
    arccosd
    arcsin
    arcsind
    Draw.DashedLine
    Draw.ThickLine
    File.FullPath
    File.Parent
    File.Rename
    GUI.CreateTextBoxChoice
    GUI.HideWindow
    GUI.ResetQuit
    GUI.SetColor
    GUI.SetColour
    GUI.SetEchoChar
    GUI.SetScrollOnAdd
    GUI.SetTopLine
    GUI.ShowWindow
    Input.Flush
    Math.Distance
    Math.DistancePointLine
    Music.PlayFileLoop
    Music.PlayFileReturn
    Pic.SetTransparentColor
    Pic.SetTransparentColour
    Str.Lower
    Str.Trim
    Str.Upper
    tan
    tand
    Time.DelaySinceLast
    Time.SecStr
    View.ClipAddOval
    View.SetTransparentColor
    View.SetTransparentColour
    View.UpdateArea
    Window.UpdateArea


More Add on's and Fixs:
    Serveral bugs fixed
    Alot Better GUI Documentation added
    Added Structure Completion fucction to turing envirment (see edit menu)
    Joystick comands fixed


Edit: Last updated on Jan 19, 2004
Author:  Tony [ Sat Jan 17, 2004 8:52 pm ]
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wow, HoltSoft finally desided to add tangent function Laughing Now why would they do that Laughing
Author:  Amailer [ Sat Jan 17, 2004 8:59 pm ]
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why? someone suggested it from here??
Author:  acc_minion [ Sat Jan 17, 2004 11:44 pm ]
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I love 4.0.5 i was getting sick of 4.0.4 and no colored buttons! Tradegy. Thats it Ilove it.


Out./

驧m¿ñ¿()ñ [tueur a gages]
Author:  icemaster [ Sun Jan 18, 2004 2:38 pm ]
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great! i was so annoyed when there wore no sprite in turing 4.04c, i glad they finally added them as well as teh other updates Very Happy Very Happy
Author:  Andy [ Sun Jan 18, 2004 6:01 pm ]
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i think its useless that they added tan... ppl can just do sin/cos and o dan, Window.UpdateArea also works although its not documented...
Author:  Dan [ Mon Jan 19, 2004 11:45 am ]
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dodge_tomahawk wrote:
i think its useless that they added tan... ppl can just do sin/cos and o dan, Window.UpdateArea also works although its not documented...



thanks i added it to the list
Author:  Andy [ Tue Jan 20, 2004 10:45 am ]
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they also added Pi and E

Math.Pi
Math.E
Author:  Andy [ Tue Jan 20, 2004 10:48 am ]
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umm guys... i dont think thats an update... i think thats the actuall install file
Author:  Tony [ Tue Jan 20, 2004 11:16 am ]
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hahha Laughing it is... all their so called "patch" files are actual installers Laughing

some require you to have "turing.exe" in directory though
Author:  Andy [ Tue Jan 20, 2004 11:56 am ]
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so y dont u just bs some program name it turing.exe and put it in a turing directory?
Author:  Tony [ Tue Jan 20, 2004 3:13 pm ]
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well thats how it used to work for 4.0.4 Laughing Just rename any .txt file into "turing.exe" and it installs everything but some filies (GUI module or something... not sure).

4.0.5 doesn't even check for that Laughing

Quote:

Pay us $80 and we'll tell you where to download the installer from
Wink
Author:  Andy [ Tue Jan 20, 2004 3:50 pm ]
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LOL... *******************

[mod:a52d7ce528="dan"]
thats gr8, but if tom see that you will get in shit...
[/mod:a52d7ce528]
Author:  theman [ Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:19 pm ]
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where do i get turing 4.0.5 from? I clicked on the turing 4.0.5 Update, but it took me to ths forum?
Author:  Andy [ Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:42 pm ]
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... ur supposed to click www.holtsoft.com/transfer/turing405_install.exe
Author:  csmiller [ Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:50 pm ]
Post subject:  ASCII Characters
What happened to the ASCII letters? No more line drawing and they're not the same as they are on every ASCII chart I know (for example, chr(246) ÷, but it doesn't! chr(247) does.
Confused
Author:  Tony [ Fri Jan 23, 2004 3:14 pm ]
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lol Laughing HoltSoft screwed up ASCII charts Laughing

thats alright, you shouldn't be using hardcoded values anyways. And it's a good time to move on to GUI instead of ASCII tables anyways Very Happy
Author:  shorthair [ Sat Jan 24, 2004 11:00 pm ]
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oooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh turing 4.0.6 due out in 2 months APPARENTLY , rough estimate given by tom west , there is a a beta he had been working on fora while he would like to implement into turing
Author:  Dan [ Sat Jan 24, 2004 11:13 pm ]
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shorthair wrote:
oooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh turing 4.0.6 due out in 2 months APPARENTLY , rough estimate given by tom west , there is a a beta he had been working on fora while he would like to implement into turing


how u geting this info? your compsci teacher telling u?
Author:  shorthair [ Sat Jan 24, 2004 11:17 pm ]
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Yeah , we talk alot , he teaches me 5x more outta school than in school
Author:  Tony [ Sat Jan 24, 2004 11:28 pm ]
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cool 8) any info on whats new in 4.0.6?
Author:  shorthair [ Sat Jan 24, 2004 11:31 pm ]
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its not really a bug fix , think he has been working on making turing faster and more efficiant , and obvously versions go by and the update isnt complete , and suposedly its finnaly been tested ,and is being worked into the structure as we speak
Author:  Mazer [ Sun Jan 25, 2004 7:31 am ]
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Ooh. Sounds good!
Author:  rizzix [ Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:21 am ]
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haha shorthair our inside agent (sortof)
Author:  shorthair [ Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:24 am ]
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BooHoo Secret Caujin man , du du , Secret Caujin man BooHoo
i gotta have a theme song
Author:  Andy [ Sun Jan 25, 2004 4:28 pm ]
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man we should get holtsoft to let us beta test turing for them
Author:  shorthair [ Tue Jan 27, 2004 6:36 am ]
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Holt soft do their BETA testing , by releasing it , and letting every school in canada beta test , becuse its totally bug filled , i remember whe n4 came uout we were all so happy and literally hte first 6 or 7 commands i tried wer not implimented < one of being FULLSCREEN , Hopefuly they will realease a bug free enviroment next , that would rock
Author:  rizzix [ Tue Jan 27, 2004 9:38 pm ]
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the sprites don't work!! Shocked
Author:  shorthair [ Wed Jan 28, 2004 7:41 am ]
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your jokin right , seriously they still dont work Shocked , ok thats just crazy
Author:  da_foz [ Wed Mar 03, 2004 10:47 pm ]
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If you are this into a new Turning release, may I suggest moving onto another language. Turing is great to learn on, but once you have mastered it, I think you should start to read up on Java or C or something else. You need to learn about Object Orieented stuff. OOT is an ok start on that although I did not understand it when I did it in grade 12. I think doing VB in OAC helped me a lot about learning OO stuff.
Author:  jonos [ Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:59 am ]
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turing is also good to try stuff on before trying it on another language, or to just go back to to have fun. catalyst does some crazy stuff with turing and hes really good with c++.
Author:  da_foz [ Thu Mar 04, 2004 3:31 pm ]
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That's cool. It just sounded like people were talking like Turing was the be all and end all. It sure was fun to play with and learn with.
Author:  not_l33t [ Sat Apr 03, 2004 2:08 pm ]
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Can anyone provide the illustration for what the new commands do?
Author:  Dan [ Sat Apr 03, 2004 2:46 pm ]
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They are alll desribed well in the turing help file that comes with turing 4.0.5.

The help file should be incuded with the download for it.
Author:  RaPsCaLLioN [ Mon Apr 12, 2004 2:32 am ]
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BOOO!!! to Turing's new update... all my 3D programs run like crap now. What I was running at 13FPS I now run at 2FPS... Sad It's taking longer on some calculation or function or something, and since my programs are all calculations and functions.. I'm screwed.
Author:  gamer [ Sun Apr 18, 2004 2:30 pm ]
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how come when i click "update to latest version" in the help menu in turing, the latest version from holtsoft is of 4.0.4c or sumthin, not 4.0.5
Author:  Tony [ Sun Apr 18, 2004 3:55 pm ]
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because 4.0.5 is an unofficial release.
Author:  shorthair [ Mon Apr 19, 2004 6:37 pm ]
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Because shorthair is very very sneaky , and can grab lots of things that arnt released yet , " packet sniffing POP3 emails in the school board is not a crime "
Author:  Muffin Man [ Fri May 07, 2004 8:20 am ]
Post subject:  What if you can't get thefile anymore?
Well, I came here a little late, and now no one except you guys has the Turing update. I wonder if there's aniother place to download it, or if someone can send it to me... darn you Holtsoft
Author:  Dan [ Fri May 07, 2004 11:38 am ]
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No other place to download it, and even if there was we could not tell u scince it whould be an illgea download and then we could get sewed. You could just wate for them to relaes it or hope your school gets one of the test copys.
Author:  LiquidDragon [ Sun May 16, 2004 5:23 pm ]
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The update doesnt work. I'm stuck with 4.0.4c and cant use Math.Distance Mad or sprites Hit Wall
Author:  AsianSensation [ Sun May 16, 2004 6:48 pm ]
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you still can't use sprites in 4.0.5. And for Math.Distance, just make your own, it's not that hard.
Author:  beard0 [ Wed May 19, 2004 8:22 am ]
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The link for 4.0.5 doesn't work anymore - take a look at http://www.holtsoft.com/transfer/. Does anybody know where else you can get it? All I need is an update.
Author:  Bains [ Wed May 19, 2004 5:49 pm ]
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when will the download be available again Question
Author:  Dan [ Wed May 19, 2004 6:15 pm ]
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LOL, we do not have any invalment with holt soft so we whould have no way of knowing. It is sposted to be an update to 4.0.4 so it is posable that they will realce it as an offical update in the futtuer.
Author:  Tony [ Wed May 19, 2004 11:28 pm ]
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knowing HoltSoft, they not going to do that untill September Confused You better hope on having friends who still have the patch saved somewhere Thinking
Author:  Bains [ Thu May 20, 2004 2:42 pm ]
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ok i think i know someone who still ahs the update


thx for the heads up


Bains
Author:  Dewyd [ Tue May 25, 2004 5:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Turing 4.0.5 Update
Yo

So where the hell can i DOWNLOAD this program???I need it on this week i have a big project!!!

If any1 could help me plz write me an e-mail!!

Thx


Dew :[/img]
Author:  Andy [ Tue May 25, 2004 7:29 pm ]
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paypal me some cash and i'll give you access to my ftp which contains this so called turing that you are looking for Twisted Evil
Author:  Tony [ Wed May 26, 2004 8:03 am ]
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Dewyd : holtsoft has removed the update. If you want v4.0.5 you got to get it from school/friends who still have the patch

if not, you can try to become good friends with compsci community members - such as dodge here Laughing
Author:  SuperGenius [ Mon May 31, 2004 4:13 pm ]
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Does anyone know if holtsoft are planning to get off their butts and get sprites back in?

BTW Dan: Dansprites is on the server at my school for everyone to use because someone brought it in and the teachers looked it over and liked it i guess. lol... "why is some guy on the internet doing this when holstoft is not"..."Yep i called them about sprites and they said they're working on it, which means they're not"

all in all though, gj on that, Dan
Author:  Paul [ Mon May 31, 2004 5:05 pm ]
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yep, I told the teacher about it, and he got a copy. Though we still say to avoid it if you can, because there are still some bugs.
Author:  SuperGenius [ Mon May 31, 2004 7:21 pm ]
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yep. I put it into my super breakout and it got really messed up.

but it is very good for an early release.
Author:  Dan [ Tue Jun 01, 2004 12:02 pm ]
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I got a hole new idea on how to do them where it will be like 1000 times better and faster then my curent verson. I will probly have it out by the summer, unfortaly b/c i have study for exames and do final projects for school it has been dealyed.

It should work fine tho if your sprites do not need to touch each other, lol.
Author:  .hack [ Sun Jun 06, 2004 4:54 pm ]
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yea my programming ISU is due tomorrow, the end of the year ISU I mean, and guess what, I don't have Turing on my computer casue Holt decided toi pull a micrshaft and take it off the download. THx Holtsoft, you've officially Corked me in the arse.

)I did have it untiL i formatted)
Author:  gamechampionx [ Sat Jun 26, 2004 10:24 pm ]
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That link doesn't work. Does anybody know where I can get the new Turing version?
Author:  Dan [ Sat Jun 26, 2004 10:26 pm ]
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Sigh, try reading some of the replys.
Author:  gamechampionx [ Sun Jun 27, 2004 9:30 am ]
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Wow, this is great. Does nebody want to supply a link to the program? I'm sure it would help a lot of people, including me. I had it for school and stuff, but I had to wipe my HD so now I don't have it anymore.
Author:  the_short1 [ Sun Jun 27, 2004 10:32 am ]
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i have turing 4.0.4 on my computer...


...in the UNDERGROUND section of my forum..*need to be loged in to seee it.. <that way i can keep track of activity in there (like, no authorities) rite Wink) theraye are many cool programs... some of which u m be looking for Wink


id post it here... but tahts kinda frowned upon becasue of legal issues... rite dan?



i also need the patch... but meh...



* u need turing installed b4 u run the patch! otehrs!



EDIT: i removed some text outa my post.... now it is not 'bad' anymore.. i
Author:  SuperGenius [ Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:06 pm ]
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I have the 4.05 patch, which I will send out to people if them pm me about it.
Author:  the_short1 [ Thu Jul 01, 2004 8:54 am ]
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ok.... i got tony onto msn and got the patch now..,..... but so we dont have to keep bugging him for it...

here it is..


(check status indicator that i posted near bottom of page 5)
http://uploads.homeftp.net/pub/turing405_install.exe

now.... if the link dont work.... either my computer just frooze... or its not on anymore! (that file is at my webserver so my computer needs to be running)..... but at least this way.,.. u can expect to download at 100KB with cable internet! unlike slow stupid msn...(5KB lots of the time....)

not too many ppl are able to host 12MB files becasue bandwidth... or size or file type limits..... i dont.... get BadBlue Today! ! ! ! !
*u make certain folders public to the www and as long as BadBlue is running... anywhere in the world ppl can download from u... and u can also let ppl upload too!



ENJOY!
Author:  Andy [ Thu Jul 01, 2004 12:23 pm ]
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or just set up ur own ftp server on ur comp
Author:  the_short1 [ Fri Jul 02, 2004 10:00 am ]
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thats basically what that is....
except its easier and more eficient then ftp..


am i alowed to run html code in this section?

cuz i got a status indicator that i can put on my previous post so ppl will know when my comp is online./
Author:  Dan [ Fri Jul 02, 2004 2:03 pm ]
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That depeands on what html codes you use. If it is just an img then go nuts. alougth you should know that compsci.ca in no way indorces the disurbution of copyrighted matrials or software with out the knoulage of it's creator and copy right holder. (ie. u get sued and not me)
Author:  the_short1 [ Fri Jul 02, 2004 4:59 pm ]
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yep..


except that is just the 'update' u still need to have a registered version of turing running to use that 'update' WinkWink



Wink
Author:  rizzix [ Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:30 pm ]
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oh plz turn on that ftp server.. i need to dl it heh.
Author:  the_short1 [ Fri Jul 02, 2004 8:06 pm ]
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srry i turned it off so i woulbn'y lag on runescape.... cuz i also played winamp radio..



tis on now..
Author:  rizzix [ Fri Jul 02, 2004 8:10 pm ]
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ey, thx!
Author:  Touya-kun [ Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:46 pm ]
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Embarassed Hey, sorry to bug, but I could also use that download for my new comp... could you get the FTP up again and post when you do? ^^ ;; Thanks!
Author:  the_short1 [ Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:24 pm ]
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i norm have comp on 10am to 11pm EST.

and that webserver is on everyday.. like 10 hours each day!

if its within that time and it dont work... wait 5 minutes... maybe my comp frooze... or im playing runescape.. and i closed to stop lag
Author:  Amailer [ Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:38 pm ]
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Give it to me the file, i can host it..
Author:  Touya-kun [ Wed Jul 07, 2004 1:39 am ]
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the_short1 wrote:
i norm have comp on 10am to 11pm EST.

and that webserver is on everyday.. like 10 hours each day!

if its within that time and it dont work... wait 5 minutes... maybe my comp frooze... or im playing runescape.. and i closed to stop lag


Oh, so that server is regularly up? Smile Alright, then. I thought it was a one-time thing and that the post was out of date. I'll wait then ^ ^ Thanks!
Author:  the_short1 [ Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:56 am ]
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ur hosting allows 12MB files.... whoa..

amailer that is crazy shit..


i wish i could put my status indicator on that post... . Sad...

o well... host away amailer... i will leave it on mine too...
Author:  Amailer [ Wed Jul 07, 2004 12:36 pm ]
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eh? i need the files lol. I can host it off my comp, can't use soruceforge Very Happy
Author:  the_short1 [ Fri Jul 16, 2004 4:38 pm ]
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http://uploads.homeftp.net/pub/turing405_install.exe

<b>STATUS: </b><b><font color="CC0033"><img src="http://uploads.homeftp.net/pub/online.gif" alt="Offline"></img></font></b>


Above Link Will ONLY Work When Status Says ONLINE


SWEET! it worked! (last time i tried to do HTML in compsci it did not work properly.. (it will show online when webserver is running, offline when its not... (or if u use IE it shows a blank)


ENJOY!

and to get this status indicator (for ur website if u have a webserver..) PM me...
Author:  beard0 [ Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:32 pm ]
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Could someone who's online more often host it? Amailer, you offered earlier. I find that every time I try to download it, the_short1 seems to be offline.
Author:  Catalyst [ Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:54 pm ]
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http://catalyze.mine.nu/stuff/turing.exe

my server is up most of the time
Author:  the_short1 [ Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:02 pm ]
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srry... yea i tend to close it when im playing runescape (cuz runescape takes over 30mb RAM Very Shocked) and i only have 64.. so i like to close everything else.... so i can at least have 5 free while playing instead of riding on 0 Sad...


anyways... once i get my new family pc my webserver will be running almost 99.5% of the time since ill be downstairs playing quake 3 and doom 3 Smileo.. and wc3 and d2 <much better then runescape Smile but runescape runs on my shitty pc.. d2 not...Smile


new family pc in (under 6 dayz)
Author:  Maverick [ Sat Aug 07, 2004 9:54 pm ]
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Wuts the pc ur getting? Link plz Very Happy
Author:  beard0 [ Sun Aug 08, 2004 7:58 pm ]
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Thanks catalyst!
Now running v4.0.5 - It was so annoying when I would download a program from here, and the author had 4.0.5, and used commands that I couldn't. No problem ther now!
Author:  RaPsCaLLioN [ Wed Aug 11, 2004 11:00 am ]
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This is a Godsend! I've been looking for this thing forever now... I had lost everything on my pc about a month or two ago and have been looking for Turing for about the same amount of time... Thx Cat.
Author:  the_short1 [ Thu Aug 12, 2004 11:58 am ]
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for added convineince.... i added status to my signature~!!!! ... enjoy,!!

i had a download link but certain eyez may not like it..

so i removed..
Author:  Andy [ Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:14 am ]
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ok, i uploaded it to my online ftp, and its always up, you should get dl rates of about 500KB/s

ftp://whatdotc@whatdotcolor.5gigs.com/public_ftp/turing405.exe
Author:  JSBN [ Sat Sep 18, 2004 6:29 am ]
Post subject: 
what's the pass?
Author:  rizzix [ Sat Sep 18, 2004 12:50 pm ]
Post subject: 
*sigh* anyone know free torrent trackers? why dont we just seed this thing for people.. that way all ppl need to do for downloading it is call for seeders.
Author:  Mazer [ Sat Sep 18, 2004 2:45 pm ]
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Maybe I just have no idea what I'm talking about, but couldn't the compsci.ca server be set up to be used as a BT tracker? How much does a tracker involve?
Author:  rizzix [ Sat Sep 18, 2004 3:53 pm ]
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do you know any opensource trackers? it's a matter of just installing it i guess. (i just hope that not all opensource tracker's are python based.. tht could be a problem)
Author:  Mazer [ Wed Sep 22, 2004 4:34 pm ]
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What about this one? http://www.newerastreaming.com/phptrackerplus/
Author:  rizzix [ Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:49 pm ]
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ah nice.. could somone test it out? i mean.. i'm have zero experience with php... so i wouldn't know how anywayz..
Author:  templest [ Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:39 pm ]
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You know, all you have to do is download any app that makes torrent files and use any other tracker out there. ie: suprnova's tracker ( http://suprnova.org ), or LokiTorrent's ( http://lokitorrent.com ).

I don't know the exact URLs, but if you make an account and go to "Upload Torrent", they'll give you a list of servers that you can use for trackers. I already have a couple of torrent's I've made hosted on these sites.
Author:  timmytheturtle [ Sun Sep 26, 2004 5:52 pm ]
Post subject: 
i know a few more trackers that you might be able to use
http://www.torrentreactor.com http://bt.s0nicfreak.com/ or http://novamesi.com.ar/
Author:  timmytheturtle [ Sun Sep 26, 2004 6:00 pm ]
Post subject: 
Coutsos wrote:
What about this one? http://www.newerastreaming.com/phptrackerplus/


I am trying to install this tracker on my website right now, im not sure how well it will work, or if it will even work since I'm using free hosting
Author:  rizzix [ Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:20 pm ]
Post subject: 
templest wrote:
You know, all you have to do is download any app that makes torrent files and use any other tracker out there. ie: suprnova's tracker ( http://suprnova.org ), or LokiTorrent's ( http://lokitorrent.com ).

I don't know the exact URLs, but if you make an account and go to "Upload Torrent", they'll give you a list of servers that you can use for trackers. I already have a couple of torrent's I've made hosted on these sites.


could u kindly create one for turing?
Author:  timmytheturtle [ Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:31 pm ]
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I could try an make one. I've never made and submitted one before but I can give it a shot if you want. Is it turing 405 u want uploaded?
Author:  rizzix [ Mon Sep 27, 2004 9:08 pm ]
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405d

but if u have the update-only version of 405d, then try and rar both the original installer and the update together. and then create a torrent for that .rar file

PS: even better use www.7-zip.org (7z) for compression rather than WinRAR
Author:  timmytheturtle [ Mon Sep 27, 2004 9:29 pm ]
Post subject: 
I have 405 not 405d
Author:  Martin [ Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:54 pm ]
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I believe that they are single handedly ruining Holtsoft's business.

[mod:c4b3050420="hacker dan"]
THEY are WE as a hole are not Rolling Eyes

CompSci.ca has nothing to do with any of the above links nor p2p networks they may have turing on them.....
[/mod:c4b3050420]
Author:  the_short1 [ Tue Oct 05, 2004 4:04 pm ]
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yea pplz .... lets not get carried away here..

if holtsoft dont get enuf money to pay their stupid programmers... then our future turing versions will suck horibly .. or not get updated..


btw... whats the idff between 405 and 405d ?

and.... sharing with members of the compsci comunity is one thing... but making a torent so pplz all over can search and download... hmm...
Author:  Mazer [ Tue Oct 05, 2004 4:14 pm ]
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the_short1 wrote:
and.... sharing with members of the compsci comunity is one thing... but making a torent so pplz all over can search and download... hmm...

What a stupid thing to say. "Selective piracy is acceptable"
Author:  Paul [ Tue Oct 05, 2004 5:31 pm ]
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Well, i'm sure if given two choices, selected piracy or widespread total mass piracy, the corporations would chose the first Wink
Author:  rizzix [ Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:23 pm ]
Post subject: 
the_short1 wrote:
if holtsoft dont get enuf money to pay their stupid programmers... then our future turing versions will suck horibly .. or not get updated..


then we have put them out of business and we dont have to worry about turing anymore.. if necessary we could create our own openturing Wink
Author:  wtd [ Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:38 pm ]
Post subject: 
rizzix wrote:
the_short1 wrote:
if holtsoft dont get enuf money to pay their stupid programmers... then our future turing versions will suck horibly .. or not get updated..


then we have put them out of business and we dont have to worry about turing anymore.. if necessary we could create our own openturing Wink


Or simply use another language with a better future.

Holtsoft's mistake was targetting their language so purely at academic use. The only people with an interest in improving the language are either students without the expertise, or teachers who are either too poorly paid, or too busy to care about contributing to an open source Turing.
Author:  Mazer [ Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:33 am ]
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Yes. Also, I'm pretty sure that if a torrent for Turing were put on some tracker, I truly doubt that there would be many people in the world who actually cared about it. They might see that it's a small file and thus might be interested in trying it, but any of them that could figure out what it was would likely delete it right away. Turing is only useful to highschool students.
Author:  wtd [ Wed Oct 06, 2004 5:19 pm ]
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Indeed. I might grab it just for the sake of helping people here, but otherwise I wouldn't bother. There are plenty of niche languages out there, and Turing doesn't have anything particularly new or exciting.

This is why efforts are better spent transitioning students to a different environment that isn't bound to a single vendor.

The first step, as I see it would be evaluatring the curriculum most frequently used in conjunction with Turing. You need to know what students learning Turing are learning. Any other language that could replace it must be useful for teaching those same concepts. One wouldn't try to replace Assembly with Ruby, for instance.
Author:  the_short1 [ Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:49 pm ]
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good point.... open turing would be awsome..
Author:  Martin [ Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:40 am ]
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I personally see no reason why people shouldn't be taught on C++. Java makes OOP too sloppy, and turing...well...ahh... Let's face it: if someone can't keep up with a C++ class in highschool, chances are they aren't cut out for programming. Turing leaves too many people with the 'Okay, I beat the game...what's next' feeling after learning it. Or after coding with it for a week.
Author:  wtd [ Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:15 am ]
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The problem with C++ is that the syntax is so incredibly overloaded. Even bad code sometimes compiles.

And Java OO is cleaner than C++ OO, though both leave a lot to be desired.
Author:  Tony [ Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:49 pm ]
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wtd wrote:
Even bad code sometimes compiles.

indeed... for one of the assignments, I assidently wrote outside of array's range and spend a good hour together with a TA, trying to figure out what was going on Confused I though I was going crazy when comments seemed to have started affecting the execution... funny story
Author:  Mazer [ Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:27 pm ]
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Hah, TA's are funny. In a lab today, freaking GNOME crashed (why can't we use Enlightenment?) in such a way that I could do just about anything except log out. I was just about to yank the power cord when I decided to ask the guy for some advice.
He literally spent 5 minutes trying to change my background to fix the problem.
The solution? Pulling the power cord.

Well, enough topic killing, for now.
Author:  rizzix [ Fri Oct 08, 2004 8:19 pm ]
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yea i noticed GNOME 2 is soo damn buggy. pfft. but KDE3 seems pretty stable.. i rather prefer WindowMaker.. so stable.. and the feel is just prefect.
Author:  wtd [ Fri Oct 08, 2004 8:23 pm ]
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Really? I've found GNOME 2.6 to be incredibly stable, and I expect 2.8 to only be better.
Author:  shorthair [ Fri Oct 08, 2004 9:19 pm ]
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KDe 3.2 , SuSE 9.1 , recompiled 3d driver Enabled Kernal , Slick as cream Pie
Author:  timmytheturtle [ Fri Oct 08, 2004 9:39 pm ]
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I wanna get linux, but I dont now what distro to get, I've used only live cd's to date (Kanotix, DSL[Damn Small Linux], and Morphix). What are some other linux distro's are good and can run on older (alot older) processor (166mhz)?
Author:  Mazer [ Sat Oct 09, 2004 7:36 am ]
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*Looks at topic title (Turing 4.0.5 Update)...*

Anyways. I think pretty much any distribution of Linux will run fine on older computers. I've heard you can have a fully functional setup of Linux with just 25mb. What can kill you is the Desktop Environment (or Window Manager if you (like I) prefer).
Author:  timmytheturtle [ Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:04 pm ]
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Ok, I tried to use a live linux version of dsl, and morphix i didnt like them, I tried to get Kanotix to boot but wouldnt, dont no way. My computer should be able to handle some version of linux, after all it can handle winxp home sp2 with 166mhz 80mb, 1mb video system specs.
Author:  Martin [ Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:28 pm ]
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Ouch guy...maybe it's time for a new computer? You can get a nice one (especially compared to that) for under $200. Check out www.tigerdirect.ca
Author:  Mazer [ Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:43 pm ]
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timmytheturtle wrote:
after all it can handle winxp home sp2 with 166mhz 80mb, 1mb video system specs.

Weibo? Is that you?
Just kidding. I have a friend with specs like yours who runs winxp for some reason.
Author:  Martin [ Sat Oct 09, 2004 7:44 pm ]
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That, or get a real OS. Like linux!
Author:  timmytheturtle [ Sat Oct 09, 2004 9:26 pm ]
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Martin wrote:
Ouch guy...maybe it's time for a new computer? You can get a nice one (especially compared to that) for under $200. Check out www.tigerdirect.ca

I would probley get on from a local store, I found a good computer for under $400 http://www.kingstoncomputerplanet.com/products/?cid=24&scid=01&pid=240100001,
or I would build it myself and just buy parts for cheap. Once I do buy an new computer for my self, Im smashing my old one.

Coutsos wrote:
timmytheturtle wrote:
after all it can handle winxp home sp2 with 166mhz 80mb, 1mb video system specs.

Weibo? Is that you?
Just kidding. I have a friend with specs like yours who runs winxp for some reason.


I run it cause I need to do file sharing (just music) between my computer and the family computer. I was surprised that my computer could even run XP, but now I couldn't care, I just wanna get Linux on it.
Author:  lama_daboul [ Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Turing Update
Would anyone please send me the Turing 4.0.5 Update since HoltSoft website link to the update doesnt work. I know it will only take a person 5 minutes if they have it, so please send it to lama_daboul@sympatico.ca as I need it immediatly for studying 4 programs i have a test on in a couple weeks.
Thanks in advance!
Author:  Hikaru79 [ Sun Oct 17, 2004 2:58 pm ]
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Here you go Smile Courtesy of Hikaru79! ^ ^

It's too large to attach so I uploaded it to my webserver. The url is http://thegoban.com/turing.exe

Don't rape my webserver please Sad Only if you really need it.
Author:  the_short1 [ Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:35 pm ]
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how the hell could u install xp with 80 MB hd.. that makes no sense..
or is that ram u talking??
still... win98 can share with other computers nicely ... and works great on slower computers..thats really ncie is having a p2 128MB RAM... and running win98 ... its so fast... its like running a 3GHZ 1gig ram and XP...
i like... fast startup and shutdown... doesnl;t take so much dam hardrive space...

anyways... about the bittrorrent thing.. i found another decent free tracker..
http://tracker.dataportalen.com/ and its compatible with supr nova.. so i just use that tracker.. then upload to supr nova...

and thanks hikaru for providing another place to download turing..
Author:  timmytheturtle [ Sun Oct 17, 2004 5:10 pm ]
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i install xp with 80mb of ram, it had a 10gb harddrive, i cant install 98 right now cause i dont have a floppy drive, for a start-up disk

heres another link to turing(405)
http://timmytheturtle.no-ip.info/crap/turing.exe
or
http://kangaroo800.no-ip.info:81/timmytheturtle/crap/turing.exe
Author:  the_short1 [ Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:09 am ]
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afta school ill compile all the different servers and places to download turing ..
btw... 80mb ram is KILLER... ouch... if ur in the Sault Ste Marie

general area... i can get u a floppy drive .. i have a couple..
Author:  timmytheturtle [ Mon Oct 18, 2004 2:15 pm ]
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Thanks anyway the_short1 but I live in kingston, and I got one from somebody at my school so now i gotta look through all my crap to find a floppy disk, and the 98 setup cd
Author:  the_short1 [ Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:47 am ]
Post subject:  ALL THE SOURCES TO DOWNLOAD TURING 4.0.5.
HERE YOU GO!!! ENJOY!!!

all are not garunteed to work, try a few and eventually ull find one whose webserver is running.

www.holtsoft.com/transfer/turing405_install.exe
http://uploads.homeftp.net/pub/turing405_install.exe
http://catalyze.mine.nu/stuff/turing.exe
ftp://whatdotc@whatdotcolor.5gigs.com/public_ftp/turing405.exe
http://thegoban.com/turing.exe
http://timmytheturtle.no-ip.info/crap/turing.exe
http://kangaroo800.no-ip.info:81/timmytheturtle/crap/turing.exe


-shorty
Author:  zomg [ Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:41 am ]
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its weird cuz wheni posted a link to 4.0.5 on this page my forum got taken out and i was labeld a lamer lol

o well watever thank for putting these links up
Author:  Leftover [ Sun Oct 31, 2004 6:53 pm ]
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Gotta love going to Turings update page and seeing

code:
Current Version
The latest version of Turing available is 4.0.4c.

You have Turing version 4.0.5 installed on your machine.
You have the latest version of Turing installed.


Very Happy
Author:  Shm0tZ [ Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:25 pm ]
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Surprised i need to get it
Author:  zomg [ Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:32 pm ]
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turing 4.0.4c is the most recent dude 4.0.4d (4.0.5) is just an update
Author:  SuperGenius [ Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:09 pm ]
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it's more than an update in my opinion, becauase it does add some new functionality, which means that you wont be able to run a lot of the programs on this site so i think yes, it is important to have.
Author:  Andy [ Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:33 pm ]
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shadow master wrote:
turing 4.0.4c is the most recent dude 4.0.4d (4.0.5) is just an update


how the hell does that make sense... if its an update, its obviously a new version... considering it is the full install file
Author:  m&m [ Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:25 pm ]
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Ya i'd have to say that its a completely new version
Author:  Omicron91 [ Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:00 pm ]
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Hey guys, normally I just lurk here, but I decided to sign up. Anyway, HoltSoft wouldn't go bankrupt even if every person in the world downloaded an illeagal version of turing because the schools still have to purchase the licenses to run turing on their Boxes so that will save HoltSoft from ever going bankrupt. I mean, look at this:

(Ugh, html does not work in posts on this site, so here: http://www.holtsoft.com/turing/avail.html )

Think about how many computers are running in schools across Canada with turing on them. Even if 250 schools are running turing on 100+ computers each, thats still over $200,000 dollars, without distribution license. And we all know that there are more than 250 schools in Canada, I mean, the Niagara region (where I live) has 45+ schools alone. Please don't stress folks, HoltSoft is not going bankrupt anytime soon.
Author:  Hikaru79 [ Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:09 pm ]
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Omicron91 wrote:
Hey guys, normally I just lurk here, but I decided to sign up. Anyway, HoltSoft wouldn't go bankrupt even if every person in the world downloaded an illeagal version of turing because the schools still have to purchase the licenses to run turing on their Boxes so that will save HoltSoft from ever going bankrupt. I mean, look at this:

(Ugh, html does not work in posts on this site, so here: http://www.holtsoft.com/turing/avail.html )

Think about how many computers are running in schools across Canada with turing on them. Even if 250 schools are running turing on 100+ computers each, thats still over $200,000 dollars, without distribution license. And we all know that there are more than 250 schools in Canada, I mean, the Niagara region (where I live) has 45+ schools alone. Please don't stress folks, HoltSoft is not going bankrupt anytime soon.


And don't forget that Turing's not the only thing that Holt produces. For example, my school bought just as many Java textbooks/IDE's from Holt as they did of Turing.

I don't think any of us were very worried about Holt going bankrupt anytime soon anyway Razz

BTW, glad you decided to register Very Happy Have fun here, guy!
Author:  McKenzie [ Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:11 am ]
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First, doing what is right is doing what is right regardless of Holts financial situation.
The schools don't pay per machine, they pay a site licence, which I'll have you know is very reasonably priced. (Although I'm sure Hikaru is right that they make more money from books) That said, if I was a student there is no way I would go without a copy of the language the class is using. You should bug the powers that be at your school to get distribution rights for Turing, then your school can charge some small amount (we charge $2) to recoup the cost over a few years.
Author:  Archimed [ Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Not fear!!
I was using My Educational Turing 4.0.3 and i went to update site the links did not work so i isnatlled the turing i saw on your site which one u guys posted and it is not educational! Sad
Author:  Tony [ Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:44 pm ]
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eh... try naming something that Turing 4.0.5 can't do, that 4.0.3 (educational edition? I was not aware of such) can.
Author:  lapo3399 [ Fri Feb 25, 2005 9:53 pm ]
Post subject:  good
lol
good thing about the tangent ratio being added
Very Happy
Author:  Andy [ Fri Feb 25, 2005 10:08 pm ]
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yes because sin/cos is that hard to do
Author:  MyPistolsIn3D [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:37 pm ]
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lol, i didnt know that sin/cos = tan till like a week ago. Ive taken the highest level math and sciences all through high school. Rolling Eyes
Author:  Hikaru79 [ Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:03 am ]
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MyPistolsIn3D wrote:
lol, i didnt know that sin/cos = tan till like a week ago. Ive taken the highest level math and sciences all through high school. Rolling Eyes

I'm not sure if that's something you'd want to brag about on this forum Laughing
Author:  Andy [ Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:28 pm ]
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roffles considering alot of us are ranked nationally and in north america
Author:  Martin [ Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:09 pm ]
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Or we just, you know, went to grade 9 ... and passed!
Author:  [Gandalf] [ Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:16 pm ]
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Ya... except even in the highest possible 'enriched' program I doubt more than a few people in North America knew what cos/tan/sin are in grade 9. I'm pretty sure that starts in grade 10/11.
Author:  wtd [ Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:07 pm ]
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[Gandalf] wrote:
Ya... except even in the highest possible 'enriched' program I doubt more than a few people in North America knew what cos/tan/sin are in grade 9. I'm pretty sure that starts in grade 10/11.


I knew in grade 8. Has education really gotten that bad since I was in school?
Author:  Tony [ Fri Mar 04, 2005 9:09 pm ]
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actually one of my old friends used to be reading up on trig in grade 8.. Though he was trying to keep up with Russian educational system, which is quite ahead.

Here I think we're introduced to the subject in grade 10.. Thinking
Author:  [Gandalf] [ Sat Mar 05, 2005 1:45 am ]
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tony wrote:
actually one of my old friends used to be reading up on trig in grade 8.. Though he was trying to keep up with Russian educational system, which is quite ahead.

Here I think we're introduced to the subject in grade 10.. Thinking


Ya, I know that - in Europe and Asian countries they are at least 2 grades ahead of us... How the heck did you know it in grade 8, or did you learn it for fun *hmmrph*? All I know is that at least in the past 5 years it hasn't been like that...
Author:  Andy [ Sat Mar 05, 2005 12:38 pm ]
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i learned it in gr 9... so do all the enriched ppl in my school
Author:  [Gandalf] [ Sat Mar 05, 2005 2:00 pm ]
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Alright then, I was wrong... You must have very smart schools. In my school no matter what you do, you don't learn cos/sin/tan in grade 9. What we learnt that was ahead was basic calculus (quadratics).
Author:  Andy [ Sat Mar 05, 2005 2:16 pm ]
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err... basic calc and quadratics are completely different things... quadratics are an important step leading up to calc, but to say quadratics equals basic calc, thats way off
Author:  [Gandalf] [ Sat Mar 05, 2005 2:42 pm ]
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Sorry then, I'm not that good in math anyways... Confused

Anyways, basic quadratics is what I meant.

That's twice I have had to say I'm proven wrong!
Author:  RscMod [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 8:43 am ]
Post subject:  i stillcant get a 4.05d version!!!!!!
even thoh i got 4.04c
Author:  Tupacalypse_Vinsanity [ Wed May 25, 2005 6:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Hmm
Does anyone have the 4.0.5 installer that they can send to me? id greatly appreciate it!

tupacalypse.now@gmail.com
Author:  1of42 [ Wed May 25, 2005 7:02 pm ]
Post subject: 
[Gandalf] wrote:
Ya... except even in the highest possible 'enriched' program I doubt more than a few people in North America knew what cos/tan/sin are in grade 9. I'm pretty sure that starts in grade 10/11.


My school teaches right-angle trig and sin/cos laws in grade 8.
Author:  [Gandalf] [ Wed May 25, 2005 10:55 pm ]
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Yes, I have been proven wrong before, and surprised. I guess I just haven't been to enough schools Confused .

May I ask what school it is?
Author:  wtd [ Wed May 25, 2005 11:22 pm ]
Post subject: 
1of42 wrote:
[Gandalf] wrote:
Ya... except even in the highest possible 'enriched' program I doubt more than a few people in North America knew what cos/tan/sin are in grade 9. I'm pretty sure that starts in grade 10/11.


My school teaches right-angle trig and sin/cos laws in grade 8.


Mine did too.
Author:  Naveg [ Thu May 26, 2005 10:30 pm ]
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Well....children are getting more and more stupid over time. So are the people who write the curriculums.
Author:  the_short1 [ Thu May 26, 2005 10:53 pm ]
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i dont check compsci enuf,..IF ANYONE NEEDS THE UPDATE/INSTALLER <same ting, just email me short1@gmail.com i have it on there it takes me 1minute to send it.. its 12mb and i used winzip to split it in half so i could upload to gmail...

also.. other peeps liek try to keep this ontopic about turing update...
,, i sent to tupac FYI
Author:  Cervantes [ Fri May 27, 2005 3:23 pm ]
Post subject: 
Vladimir wrote:
Well....children are getting more and more stupid over time.

I fail to see how. As time goes on, the human race aquires more and more knowledge. This forces us to do one of the following: a.) specialize completely; b.) know the extra material; c.) a bit of both. The answer is c. We need to know more, but we also can't be learning for our whole lives (exaggerated), so the learning process is accelerated.
Author:  1of42 [ Fri May 27, 2005 5:57 pm ]
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And that is relevant how? People were pointing out how children are learning things later and later - the fact that the human race is acquiring more knowledge is almost irrelevant to that. what is taught in school in the earlier grades has not (apart from the computer science aspect of the curriculum) changed enormously in content for a long time - i would bet that few science classes spend lots of time on the latest cutting-edge advancements, etc...

I don't have an explanation for why things take longer, but I'm doubting that advancements in knowledge are part of it; you got to school by and large, not to learn actual things that will be helpful professionally or w/e, but rather to learn how to learn.
Author:  Cervantes [ Fri May 27, 2005 6:19 pm ]
Post subject: 
1of42 wrote:
People were pointing out how children are learning things later and later

I thought it was a discussion of when various people learn various things. That is, until Vladmir said we're all getting stupider as time passes. Laughing

1of42 wrote:
i would bet that few science classes spend lots of time on the latest cutting-edge advancements, etc...


Absolutely not: that's beyond University!

1of42 wrote:
you got to school by and large, not to learn actual things that will be helpful professionally or w/e, but rather to learn how to learn.

Yes, that's part of it. But not the "by and large" of it. Let's say a child goes through school and takes only English courses. This child will one day become a scientist. He goes through school and learns how to learn. Whoopie! He graduates from University and gets a pH.D in English. Now, he has to learn science to become a scientist. He knows how to learn, but it's still going to take him a good solid decade to get the knowledge required to reach his goal. Now backtrack to the time of the Roman Empire. Do you think that a child who had the same style of life (that is, he learned how to learn and only learned about English, but wanted to be a scientist) would require as much time to reach his goal of becoming a scientist, given the same intelligence? Clearly not. Fastforward to the time of startrek. Once again, do you think that same child would require the same amount of time to learn all he needs to become a scientist in an age where science is leaps and bounds ahead of what it is today? Clearly, he would need to devote much more time.
Author:  Hikaru79 [ Fri May 27, 2005 6:21 pm ]
Post subject: 
1of42 wrote:
what is taught in school in the earlier grades has not (apart from the computer science aspect of the curriculum) changed enormously in content for a long time - i would bet that few science classes spend lots of time on the latest cutting-edge advancements, etc...

How long ago is "a long time"? If you consider 100 years a long time, then it has changed tremendously. For how long do you think quantum has been taught in high school? It wasn't even widely accepted until the last few decades. For his part, Einstein was skeptical about a lot of things, like wave particle duality. Now they're mandatory learning for grade 11 chemistry. My signiature on AoPS is "The simplest schoolboy is now familiar with facts for which Archimedes would have sacrificed his life. --Ernest Renan" The fact is, education is certainly changing, if you take a look at the grand scheme of things. Are we going to be including every year's new scientific discoveries into the grade 3 exam? No. But at least we're keeping up.
Author:  nmr123321 [ Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:30 pm ]
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please post where i can find the update guyz
Author:  Mazer [ Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:40 pm ]
Post subject: 
Why hasn't this been locked yet? *click*

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