imm pretty sure the flamming is over with cause some ppl ino got kick off im sad now cause i dont know anyone!
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| Author: | AsianSensation [ Thu Jan 15, 2004 8:04 am ] |
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Nowadays, there seem to be alot of problems with people flamming each other around here. Please keep in mind we are here for an educational purpose, and flamming, to my limited knowledge of the western world, is not all that educational (unless you happen to learn a couple of new words because you didn't know what the other guy was calling you, but then again, I digress). So guys, please keep the flames and the critisizms (non-constructive ones) to a minimum. And please, no going at each other's throat online, I'm pretty sure we all have other problems to deal in life then constantly worrying about some guy hacking your computer (we are a programming community) |
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| Author: | iloveyouguysendloop [ Thu Jan 15, 2004 9:15 pm ] |
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imm pretty sure the flamming is over with cause some ppl ino got kick off im sad now cause i dont know anyone! |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Sat Jan 17, 2004 11:56 am ] |
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What do you mean the flaming is over , im the ANTI-FLAMER and ive noticed that you have caused a bit of flaming your self endloop, and if the people that were kicked off are your friends you should let them no , not to ever mess with compsci, becuase people like asian get em everytime |
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| Author: | The Stuff [ Sat Jan 17, 2004 2:44 pm ] |
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unless they got a really good firewall |
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| Author: | shorthair [ Sat Jan 17, 2004 6:32 pm ] |
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What does a firewall do for the intruder ? ( just to fill me in) |
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| Author: | Tony [ Sat Jan 17, 2004 6:47 pm ] |
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doesn't do anything to you... it just blocks the incomming (and depending on how good the firewall is, outgoing) ports. |
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| Author: | The Stuff [ Sun Jan 18, 2004 11:33 pm ] |
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firewalls help block things u don want and hackers and stuff. It hides you ports from other ppl on the net and some even randomize ur ip #. BUT there are loop holes in firewalls. u just gotta find them. common firewalls r useless cuz alot of ppl have already found loop holes in the common firewalls. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Mon Jan 19, 2004 11:24 am ] |
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lol, i dont think they "randomize" your ip. alought some can make it so you uses proxys and some are built in to ruoters whitch whould hide your ip from our own computer not others  |
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| Author: | the_new_asian_on_the_bloc [ Tue Jan 20, 2004 2:09 pm ] |
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The whole team here has got routers, you aint getting us! |
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| Author: | Amailer [ Tue Jan 20, 2004 2:26 pm ] |
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hmm ya routers do a lot don't they? complaining to your ISP is enough. THey do the rest.. |
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| Author: | the_new_asian_on_the_bloc [ Tue Jan 20, 2004 2:35 pm ] |
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Amailer wrote: hmm ya routers do a lot don't they?
complaining to your ISP is enough. THey do the rest.. hey complain too bad we are in a Toronto Public Library |
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| Author: | Amailer [ Tue Jan 20, 2004 2:37 pm ] |
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hmm yes well, i think complaining will sitll help.. there are ways. |
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| Author: | the_new_asian_on_the_bloc [ Tue Jan 20, 2004 2:51 pm ] |
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there are about 50 computers and they are always full, the building shares ip so what can ya do to hunt us? |
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| Author: | Amailer [ Tue Jan 20, 2004 2:57 pm ] |
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Get that libarys internet connection blocked ;d which means they get really mad and search for the people who did this crap (thats you) |
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| Author: | Dan [ Tue Jan 20, 2004 8:01 pm ] |
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the_new_asian_on_the_bloc wrote: there are about 50 computers and they are always full, the building shares ip so what can ya do to hunt us?
ah, no you are not in a libbary for all your posts. i was going to be nice and not report this to your isp, but if you keep psuhing it.... |
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| Author: | .hack [ Sun Feb 08, 2004 12:21 am ] |
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I believe that randomizing/generating/stealthing Ips is illegal. Its like a fake id so you can go do bad things. |
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| Author: | jonos [ Sun Feb 08, 2004 10:21 pm ] |
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you have a point, put i think the internet should be anonymous and not controlled by anyone for content, but then again harmful viruses are created on the internet, so that needs to be tracked, but there is a line. |
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| Author: | Delta [ Mon Feb 09, 2004 7:00 pm ] |
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actully in pretty much every case.... harmful viruses are created off line... then brought to the internet... but I'm sure you meant that... 
well and they are common in small foreign countries too :S |
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| Author: | Dan [ Mon Feb 09, 2004 10:01 pm ] |
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doing that anuimuses e-mail thing is not illigea it is how e-mail was desinged to work. all that is need is where it should go no other info is NEED when sending an e-mail so anything eltes can be set to w/e u whont. just seems shocking b/c most comanys and e-mail provides have done there best to almost cover this fact up. |
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| Author: | Kyle [ Tue Jan 25, 2005 8:37 pm ] |
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well if you did have a fack ip and this acts as a fack id how can they track you?  |
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| Author: | Martin [ Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:51 pm ] |
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jonos wrote: you have a point, put i think the internet should be anonymous and not controlled by anyone for content, but then again harmful viruses are created on the internet, so that needs to be tracked, but there is a line.
Not controlled for content? So you are saying that it should be legal for there to be child porn sites, or for people to blatantly infringe copyright laws (piracy is a problem right now, if people could just post websites with 'click here and download this movie/game', the industries would die). Your rights online shouldn't be any different than your rights in the real world. |
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| Author: | axej [ Fri May 27, 2005 9:10 pm ] |
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piracy's a real problem. lawsuits are flying everywhere these days and to check it out for yourselves go to any beig asian mall. (sorry if u think that's racist, but hey im asian too). about firewalls, experienced blackhats (malicious hackers) can attack you even if your behind one. its done with SQL injection. don't ask me what that is. |
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| Author: | md [ Mon May 30, 2005 10:42 pm ] |
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My god some people think they know more then they do... so to correct what has been wrongly stated: 1. Firewalls cannot "randomize" your IP. If you use DHCP to get an IP address then it could change between sessions, and if you have dsl it usually does. But this is a by product of the way your ISP has their network set up, and has nothing to do with your firewall. 2. As it is not even possible to "randomize" you IP it's not illegal to do so. Making imposible things illegal has never really been popular. 3. Routers do not protect you from anything. A router simple transfers data from one network to another. If you're refering to a internet connection sharing router, then what you're really talking about is a router/NAT/firewall. In this case it is the firewall and NAT which provide the protection. 4. Complaining to ISPs generally accomplishes nothing unless you have very good proof. Some don't even track who is using what IP at what time, so it's not even possible to figure out who the trouble maker is. 5. Lirbaries on the other hand are very good at keeping records of who is using what, and they don't like it when people abuse their computers. Telling the library, and giving them a little bit of proof can solve problems fast. 6. IPs are not the same as IDs. Faking an IP in a packet header is neither illegal, nor punishable in anyway. IP addresses simply identify your computer the the network, if you don't want to give your real IP, then don't. You're only hindering yourself. 7. The internet IS free of sensorship. Unfortunatly, individual countries, ISPs and other juristictions places restrictions on the sites which are serves from servers that are on land they control, or on a network they control. ISPs also block sites that they think shouldn't be assessible. 8. Again, IPs != IDs. There is nothing wrong with faking your IP address. Tracking people online is actually illegal in most places, so infact being able to fake your IP so that you cannot be tracked is a good thing. 9. Intellectual Property laws do apply to hte internet; stealing is still stealing. The thing is that music is not covered by that (in Canada) as we pay a levy on all recordable media because it can be used to copy music and video and such. 10. Firewalls are not vulnerable to SQL injection attacks. SQL servers are vulnerable to SQL injection attacks. A SQL server is a database which you comunicate with using SQL. A SQL injection is when an outsider runs an SQL query when they are not supposed to be able to. This is usually though webservers. |
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| Author: | axej [ Mon May 30, 2005 11:02 pm ] |
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Cornflake wrote: 3. Routers do not protect you from anything. A router simple transfers data from one network to another. If you're refering to a internet connection sharing router, then what you're really talking about is a router/NAT/firewall. In this case it is the firewall and NAT which provide the protection. most routers have built in firewalls these days and people expect that from the companies that manufactue the routers, so people now think that routers are firewalls, but there not. |
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| Author: | [Gandalf] [ Mon May 30, 2005 11:10 pm ] |
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Quote: 1. Firewalls cannot "randomize" your IP. If you use DHCP to get an IP address then it could change between sessions, and if you have dsl it usually does. But this is a by product of the way your ISP has their network set up, and has nothing to do with your firewall.
2. As it is not even possible to "randomize" you IP it's not illegal to do so. Making imposible things illegal has never really been popular. When you have a changing ip (dynamic ip), you have to keep in mind that your ip is still always in a certain range. Someone can just as easily block that range of ip's as just one. Quote: 6. IPs are not the same as IDs. Faking an IP in a packet header is neither illegal, nor punishable in anyway. IP addresses simply identify your computer the the network, if you don't want to give your real IP, then don't. You're only hindering yourself.
Does the same thing apply to email addresses? |
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| Author: | Amailer [ Tue May 31, 2005 5:39 am ] |
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My IP range is screwed up, it goes from 63. (starting number) 64. to 7. 
And don't routers block all ports excet the ones you forward? Isn't that sorta... protection? |
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| Author: | Martin [ Tue May 31, 2005 9:09 am ] |
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Cornflake wrote: 2. As it is not even possible to "randomize" you IP it's not illegal to do so. Making imposible things illegal has never really been popular.
I completely disagree with the second part of this. |
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| Author: | md [ Tue May 31, 2005 1:38 pm ] |
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[Gandalf] wrote: Quote: 6. IPs are not the same as IDs. Faking an IP in a packet header is neither illegal, nor punishable in anyway. IP addresses simply identify your computer the the network, if you don't want to give your real IP, then don't. You're only hindering yourself.
Does the same thing apply to email addresses? Yes, e-mail is a one way system. Giving a reply address means that the person you're sending the message to can reply, but it is not required. Despite what many people would like you to believe, there is no law specifying that you must suply a valid return e-mail address; even the can-spam act in the states does not specify that you must. Amailer wrote: Don't routers block all ports excet the ones you forward? Isn't that sorta... protection?
Again your confusing routers with the "routers" sold to home users. A Router simply routs traffic; the network on one side is completly visible to the network on the other. There is no port forwarding, as all ports on all computers are visible to both networks. Home "routers" are actually router/NAT/firewall appliances. The NAT is the part you are refering to when you talk about port forwarding, and yes it does provide some small protection, however once you open a single port you are providing a hole for attackers to get into. Martin wrote: Cornflake wrote: 2. As it is not even possible to "randomize" you IP it's not illegal to do so. Making imposible things illegal has never really been popular. I completely disagree with the second part of this. Ok, ok. Making imposible things illegal is rather popular in some places; but I like to think that if we let the stupid people do things that make them feel important maybe then won't screw up the things which matter. |
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| Author: | md [ Thu Jun 02, 2005 11:40 am ] |
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Hmmm... a double post sperated by days... Anyways, I was wondering if the no flaming rules might be bent a little so I can flame the shit out of the spammer morons who seem to have infected the boards... |
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| Author: | Bacchus [ Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:01 pm ] |
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Please go and execute your program from your signature on them, they are starting to get Very annoying. |
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| Author: | Paul [ Thu Jun 02, 2005 4:09 pm ] |
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Cornflake wrote: Hmmm... a double post sperated by days...
Anyways, I was wondering if the no flaming rules might be bent a little so I can flame the shit out of the spammer morons who seem to have infected the boards... Sigh... I miss Templest. |
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| Author: | Amailer [ Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:31 pm ] |
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Something tells me you quoted templest... |
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| Author: | Notoroge [ Thu Jun 02, 2005 8:41 pm ] |
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Conrflake wrote: 2. As it is not even possible to "randomize" you IP it's not illegal to do so. Making imposible things illegal has never really been popular. Miracles do <a href="http://tor.eff.org/">happen</a>. |
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| Author: | md [ Thu Jun 02, 2005 11:18 pm ] |
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Notoroge wrote: Conrflake wrote: 2. As it is not even possible to "randomize" you IP it's not illegal to do so. Making imposible things illegal has never really been popular. Miracles do <a href="http://tor.eff.org/">happen</a>.That's not randomizing your IP, that's randomly routing traffic through some proxies so that it's hard to trace you're connection. Big Difference, although it's still cool  |
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| Author: | Amailer [ Fri Jun 03, 2005 5:23 am ] |
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Which could help with school restrictions no? |
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| Author: | Notoroge [ Fri Jun 03, 2005 5:31 am ] |
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You have to install the software on school computers to get it running. Unless you set it up at home and then rout those ports through your router (3118 / 80?) to your computer. Use your computer as a proxy, might work. Yeah, randomly routing through computers, but technically, to others, your IP is random. |
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