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PSN Down, Microsoft is happy.

Author:  copthesaint [ Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:25 pm ]
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PSN has been down for a while now, features of PSN were first disabled this last Wednesday, and all Im thinking is: 'This must be Microsoft's hackers ****** with PSN' Razz. How else would it just happen to be on the long weekend lol. So much for COD or MODWF or KZ3 lol... Yes I am blaming Microsoft for this Smile. Thoughts?

Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:32 pm ]
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I believe that it would be those loyal to GeoHot, conveying their anger to Sony by crippling the primary means that they use to convince ppl not to jailbreak. The Anonymous hacking group already claimed responsibility for the attack...and they are fans of the jailbreak world.

But to conclude....this is just another reason why PC gaming is the best Mr. Green

Author:  mirhagk [ Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:09 pm ]
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ProgrammingFun @ Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:32 pm wrote:
But to conclude....this is just another reason why PC gaming is the best Mr. Green


Except hackers flood to PC games, network manipulation is easy there, and client side code can be altered to reload faster etc, very easily. Even small things, were people hack and give themselves a map with everyone on it. Also while the mouse may be superior to the thumbstick, the thumbstick is definetly superior to WASD.

Sorry lol just wanted to troll about controls.
But seriously, if you see this stuff with closed systems, where users cannot easily download and install software, and where networking data is hidden and super encrypted, imagine how easy it is to hack PC games.

And I lol at these hackers taking PSN down, like that is an accomplishment and a half. (I wonder what sony will do to apologize, I know microsoft gave out free live for a month to people who complained cuz their live went down for 24 hours or w/e)

Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:00 pm ]
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mirhagk @ Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:09 pm wrote:

Except hackers flood to PC games, network manipulation is easy there, and client side code can be altered to reload faster etc, very easily. Even small things, were people hack and give themselves a map with everyone on it.

That is why there are services such as PunkBuster, Steam, etc... Although client code can be hacked, it can also be easily detected...

mirhagk @ Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:09 pm wrote:

Also while the mouse may be superior to the thumbstick, the thumbstick is definetly superior to WASD.

Meh, there is always Shift/Ctrl among other things...
And guess what other controllers PC has:

    Xbox 360 Controller (Official)
    Microsoft Kinect (Official)
    PS3 Controller (unOfficial?)
    PS Move (Official)

...I don't see any console with that many possible controllers...and all of them are 3rd gen! Mr. Green

mirhagk @ Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:09 pm wrote:

And I lol at these hackers taking PSN down, like that is an accomplishment and a half. (I wonder what sony will do to apologize, I know microsoft gave out free live for a month to people who complained cuz their live went down for 24 hours or w/e)

Accomplishment Unlocked! Rolling Eyes
I'm guessing one of the following:

    A free PlayStation Mini that was slated to become free anyways Laughing
    Free PS Plus membership for a month (maybe year?)
    An Apology (maybe with something else?) Mr. Green

Author:  mirhagk [ Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:39 pm ]
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What is PS plus, sorry I don't use PS3. Oh and when did kinect become official, apparently I've been living under a rock for like a year

Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:07 am ]
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PlayStaion Plus: http://us.playstation.com/psn/playstation-plus/

Kinect (and there are always hacks too Mr. Green ): http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/13/microsoft-details-kinect-sdk-for-windows-pc-promises-robust-sk/

Author:  mirhagk [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:41 am ]
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Okay it's not out yet tho, cuz I want to be there first day, using the awesome new technology, def gonna try to code a program to navigate the web using kinect.

Can someone email me if it ever gets released? mirhagk@gmail.com

Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:59 pm ]
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Apparently, Win8 will have Kinect integrated because hackers found its dlls in a leaked version of the OS.
I'll email u if I remember...or maybe I might just post it in the shoutbox Wink

Author:  Helldemon80 [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:31 pm ]
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ProgrammingFun @ Sun 24 Apr, 2011 4:32 pm wrote:
The Anonymous hacking group already claimed responsibility for the attack...and they are fans of the jailbreak world.
But to conclude....this is just another reason why PC gaming is the best Mr. Green


Anonymous didn't claim responsibility for the attack....they actually claimed the complete opposite. This is actually from their channel on YouTube and I found an article from them saying the same thing.

http://bit.ly/gqV2Hm

Btw It's been down for a long time because their fixing the infrastructure right now.

LOL, but It's quite hilarious to watch people squirm when they have nothing to do now. On a good note, I don't have a PS3, I have an Xbox. But It was really nice outside (at least for me) for the past days so there was really no need to whine for some people.....(even if the weather wasn't good, you still can do other things).

Author:  mirhagk [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:08 pm ]
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But the thing is that the more you learn about programming, the more allergic you get to the sun. Those who have learned functional languages, or something like brainf*** live in constant fear of the big yellow beast.

Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:47 pm ]
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Helldemon80 @ Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:31 pm wrote:
Anonymous didn't claim responsibility for the attack....they actually claimed the complete opposite. This is actually from their channel on YouTube and I found an article from them saying the same thing.

I was talking about the first, it was after 2 attacks that SONY finally decided to try and fix something:

The current downtime for PSN is the second of its kind this month, with the Anonymous group of online crusaders claiming responsibility for the first. Sony now intends to keep both PSN and its Qriocity music streaming service offline until it can pinpoint the vulnerability that has been exploited and put a stop to it.


EDIT: Sony doesn't even know it private information was stolen...yet

Author:  copthesaint [ Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:23 am ]
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ProgrammingFun @ Mon Apr 25, 2011 wrote:


They are sure. There is a mod out right now that allows you to 'apparently' make yourself kinda like a tester to the psn. everything on psn network could be downloaded for free and charged to a fake credit card. This mod also lets you exploit all net features. They are fixing psn because of hackers. Im not sure if this is the only thing they are working on though.

EDIT: btw Portal 2 > all games right now. AND portal > ps3 Smile PS3: 1, 360: 0. Smile jk

Author:  rdrake [ Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:45 pm ]
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Official update: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/26/update-on-playstation-network-and-qriocity/

This little gem sticks out:

LOL wrote:
lthough we are still investigating the details of this incident, we believe that an unauthorized person has obtained the following information that you provided: name, address (city, state, zip), country, email address, birthdate, PlayStation Network/Qriocity password and login, and handle/PSN online ID. It is also possible that your profile data, including purchase history and billing address (city, state, zip), and your PlayStation Network/Qriocity password security answers may have been obtained. If you have authorized a sub-account for your dependent, the same data with respect to your dependent may have been obtained. While there is no evidence at this time that credit card data was taken, we cannot rule out the possibility. If you have provided your credit card data through PlayStation Network or Qriocity, out of an abundance of caution we are advising you that your credit card number (excluding security code) and expiration date may have been obtained.


They weren't kidding, it really does do everything.

Author:  Helldemon80 [ Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:24 am ]
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Hahaha, although they said that credit card information "may been stolen", for some people it already was, as there have been people on PSN claiming unauthorized transactions on their credit cards. So if your on PSN....

WATCH OUT

Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:14 pm ]
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Another fail...further proving that PC > All Consoles Razz

Gizmodo @ http://gizmodo.com/#!5796151/now-microsoft-is-issuing-security-warnings wrote:

Sony has a little trouble with its online security, and now Microsoft is issuing warnings about people running "phishing" scams over Xbox Live.

Author:  Amailer [ Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:38 pm ]
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I don't see how this proves in any way that PC > all consoles. Phishing scams occur on PCs as well, probably a lot more frequently.

Does suck however as to whats happening with the PSN.

Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:57 pm ]
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Amailer @ Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:38 pm wrote:
I don't see how this proves in any way that PC > all consoles. Phishing scams occur on PCs as well, probably a lot more frequently.


lol, ur right...that part was:
Posted Image, might have been reduced in size. Click Image to view fullscreen.

Please forgive this interruption Mr. Green ...the point was to discuss about the recent console problems...

Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:17 pm ]
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Some selfish people only care about making money
I doubt this matter really affected him in a big way...

CNET wrote:

Like clockwork, the first lawsuit resulting from the security breach of the personal data of more than 75 million Sony PlayStation Network customers has been filed.

The suit was filed today on behalf of Kristopher Johns, 36, of Birmingham, Ala., in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California. Johns accuses Sony of not taking "reasonable care to protect, encrypt, and secure the private and sensitive data of its users."

He also believes Sony took too long to notify him and other customers that their personal information had been exposed. Because of that, the complaint alleges, Sony did not allow its customers "to make an informed decision as to whether to change credit card numbers, close the exposed accounts, check their credit reports, or take other mitigating actions."

The lawsuit is asking for monetary compensation and free credit card monitoring, and is seeking class action status.

Author:  mirhagk [ Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:33 am ]
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You know what, this PS3 thing sucks, but as for phising scams, I think they are a good thing. It's darwin's theory of survival of the fittest. Only really dumb people fall for phising scams, so it means that the dumb people lose money, and get worse off in society. (and with consoles they can't even claim computer illiteracy, and if it's kids that did it, why did the parents let them know the credit card number? All morons)

Author:  DemonWasp [ Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:40 am ]
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@mirhagk: It's not dumb people that fall for phishing scams. It's people who don't know any better, generally through no fault of their own. Consider your grandparents: if they're anything like mine, then it's a wonder they can tell the difference between their computer and their shoes. Should they really lose their retirement savings or have their identities stolen just because they can't be bothered to keep up with the latest trends in electronics? That seems awfully mercenary.

If we follow your logic to the obvious conclusion, it would suggest that we also let the sick die (because they're weak or sickly), not help people who have been hit by cars (because they're unobservant or not agile enough), and not label poisonous household cleaners (because anyone who drinks mysterious fluid at age 2 is clearly too stupid to live).


As for the original thread, it's pretty obvious here that Sony has been negligent and deserves a hearty legal slapping. I would personally take this as evidence that non-credit-card companies shouldn't be allowed to store my credit card information beyond an individual transaction. Then again, I'm not sure I really trust credit-card companies with my money either...

Author:  mirhagk [ Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:15 am ]
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Demonwasp has a good idea forumulating, Only credit card companies should store the credit card number, and other companies could keep an ID number, and the credit card company could store the companies that have registered to use that credit card number.

Oh and I meant in this scenario, old people don't play call of duty (or if they do, they know computers)

Author:  DemonWasp [ Thu Apr 28, 2011 12:20 pm ]
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The credit card number is supposed to be the ID number for the account. What I meant was more that after a transaction is completed, they shouldn't remember my credit card number, or indeed any personally-identifiable information, for longer than is strictly necessary. Algorithm:

1. Start transaction. I give CC #, purchase details.
2. Transaction confirmed?
3. Company stores purchase info (including CC#).
4. Transaction complete
5. Company immediately deletes sensitive info, such as CC#.

There's the catch that a lot of people, myself included, like to have services we buy regularly auto-bill us (cell phone, internet service, ...) and companies / services we regularly buy from (Steam, Amazon) to remember our credit card info so they don't interrogate us each time.

I guess it's just another instance of the "security <---> usability" slider.


That said, Sony really should have done a few things. First, they should have encrypted CC numbers by some algorithm; something that takes just long enough to give them a few days before the proverbial fan gets involved. Second, they should immediately have contacted everyone affected by the information leak with whatever relevant details they had. Failure to do so is corporate cowardice and shows unwillingness to correct their mistakes; they would prefer to hope nobody notices long enough that the whole thing blows over.

Author:  2goto1 [ Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:12 pm ]
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Credit card info was encrypted according to Sony - to be determined based on follow up press I'm sure. Personal info wasn't encrypted.

Your algorithm sounds good. PCI/CISP compliance covers a lot of that.

Author:  mirhagk [ Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:04 pm ]
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Want I was suggesting

Merchant gets CC# from user
Merchant sends CC# to credit card company, requesting an ID
Credit card company registers merchant in a databse, assigning a unique ID (unique to both the merchant and the credit card number, and indistinguishable from the credit card number, ie a random number assigned to the account for that merchant)
Merchant recieves a unique ID
Merchant deletes CC# and stores unique ID

Even if someone steals that ID, it's useless to them, because they aren't that specific merchant. It'd be kinda like each merchant reserves an array of credit card numbers on the credit card number server, and they get an index, but they can only access with the index, not the actual card number.

For even better security, the CC# need not even be sent to the merchant at all, just registered with the credit card company, and allowed by the user (such as the facebook "allow this page to access" kinda thing)


This would solve every issue, the merchant can keep using your credit card account, and noone else can utilize the number they store, even if they manage to decrypt all of the merchant's data.

Author:  DemonWasp [ Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:24 pm ]
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You'd have to be pretty careful about how you implemented that to make sure that no third party can use that merchant's CCID-list. It's possible to do that sort of thing using public key encryption and signing, but it's not obvious. Plus, you'd have to make it so that any security breach invalidates that merchant ID very quickly.

Aside from that, it doesn't seem like a bad idea.

Author:  Dan [ Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:18 pm ]
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mirhagk @ 28th April 2011, 2:04 pm wrote:

Merchant gets CC# from user
Merchant sends CC# to credit card company, requesting an ID
Credit card company registers merchant in a databse, assigning a unique ID (unique to both the merchant and the credit card number, and indistinguishable from the credit card number, ie a random number assigned to the account for that merchant)
Merchant recieves a unique ID
Merchant deletes CC# and stores unique ID


This in no way prevents a dumb or malicious merchant from storing a users credit card number or transmuting it insecurely. Also it does not seem to add much more security beyond the sid system currently in place. (The 3 digits merchants should not be storing).

If they want to secure credit cards both online and off line there are existing technologies (some of which are currently being implemented) that could provide a much more full prof system.


  • Replace signature requirements with a pin/password created by the user and not stored or transmitted to the merchant directly. This is possible in real life via chip and pin technology and online via a payment gateway type system.
  • Add a security token into the card for online orders (they now have disconnected tokens that fit in credit cards). Users must give the currently displayed number for each order.
  • Make a clear distinction between one time orders and recurring orders (e.g. authorizing a company to change you once for some item v.s. authorizing a company to keep charging you periodically). Allow users to easily cancel authorization for periodic/recurring orders.


No one can fake an order with out the physical card and pin as they either need the chip + pin + CC number or they need the currently displayed security token code + pin + CC number. The only down side is replacement credit cards might jump from free to $5 (tho it would be easy to invalidate lost credit cards with out changing the CC number).

Author:  Amailer [ Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:19 pm ]
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Why don't credit card companies provide a payment method like PayPal does, where the credit card # is never actually visible to the merchant.

This way, you only access/visit the credit card companies website to make purchases/payments. Either create a special log in for web purchases or use the same cc # and pin to log in.

Isn't that as secure as you are gonna get?

Author:  Dan [ Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:43 pm ]
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Amailer @ 28th April 2011, 8:19 pm wrote:
Why don't credit card companies provide a payment method like PayPal does, where the credit card # is never actually visible to the merchant


Visa (and possibly others) are trying to phase this in tho only a few sites support it so far, however it's not a full solution. It does not work for real life transactions (i.e. where you hand a clerk your credit card), makes recurring payments complicated (as the merchant no longer knows your CC number to charge you again) and does not provide any help in the case of a stolen credit card number on it's own. Combining it with a pin or pass of some kind (something you know) and a security token (something you have) would ensure a higher level of security.

Edit: I should also point out that paypal does offer security tokens for your account for about $5 and uses a password so there system already has the option of multifaceted authentication. Which is basically what i suggested in my earlier post.

Author:  mirhagk [ Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:52 am ]
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Amailer's idea combined with mine is what I was suggesting. The merchant never views the credit card number, yet has an ID that combined with your permission, and their merchant ID, may be used for recurring purchases, it looses almost none of the convience, allows for recurring payments, a merchant who gets hacked or something can easily cancel their whole database of IDs, making those all useless to whoever took them, and even if the person took them, they would need to be the merchant to use them (since all of the credit card transactions are all handled by one server anyways, the credit card company could even store the server name, so transactions not from that server make the merchant's ID lock until they can figure out what happened)

Author:  Dan [ Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:58 am ]
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mirhagk @ 29th April 2011, 7:52 am wrote:
Amailer's idea combined with mine is what I was suggesting. The merchant never views the credit card number, yet has an ID that combined with your permission, and their merchant ID, may be used for recurring purchases, it looses almost none of the convience, allows for recurring payments, a merchant who gets hacked or something can easily cancel their whole database of IDs, making those all useless to whoever took them, and even if the person took them, they would need to be the merchant to use them (since all of the credit card transactions are all handled by one server anyways, the credit card company could even store the server name, so transactions not from that server make the merchant's ID lock until they can figure out what happened)


Still does not stop stolen credit card numbers from being used (some one can allways take an imprint of your card or just write the number down in real life) or malicious (or comprmisied) merchant's from making phoney purcharces in there own name.

Multifactor securty is the way to go. Most credit card companies are bringing in chip + pin which is big part of the way there (assuming the pin does not go through the merchient directly).

Author:  mirhagk [ Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:29 am ]
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Well yeah of course someone can physically steal the number off of your card, but the original point was to prevent hackers, and merchant security. And merchants could buy there own products, or charge additional charges with your card, but you'd see it was them, and you could sue them for that. if your trusting someone to make recurring payments theres always that small risk, but it can be traced back to them.

Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:28 pm ]
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Speaking of Credit Card Risks: http://www.redmondpie.com/database-containing-2.2-million-psn-credit-cards-up-for-sale/

...scary stuff...

Author:  mirhagk [ Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:37 pm ]
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Where can I buy it, LOLz just jokes.

But seriously, Playstation needs to send out a message to all PS3's (put the server back up for an update or somethign), to say "CANCEL YOUR CREDIT CARD NOW"

Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:59 am ]
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mirhagk @ Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:37 pm wrote:
But seriously, Playstation needs to send out a message to all PS3's (put the server back up for an update or somethign), to say "CANCEL YOUR CREDIT CARD NOW"

Their server is in turmoil and being rebuilt right now...and most ppl aren't going on their PS3s until PSN comes back online next weekend....sending out such an update would send out outrage across the community for false hope that PSN is back online....and keep in mind that what I posted above is just a rumour....

Author:  Amailer [ Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:55 pm ]
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I've heard that they have sent out emails regarding this, however I have yet to receive 1.

Author:  Dan [ Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:17 pm ]
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ProgrammingFun @ 30th April 2011, 7:59 am wrote:

Their server is in turmoil and being rebuilt right now...and most ppl aren't going on their PS3s until PSN comes back online next weekend....sending out such an update would send out outrage across the community for false hope that PSN is back online....and keep in mind that what I posted above is just a rumour....


In many places it maybe law that a company has to inform there customers about a potenial leak of personal information as soon as possible. Sony maybe facing serveral potential lawsuits by waiting as long as they have allready.

Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:53 pm ]
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Amailer @ Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:55 pm wrote:
I've heard that they have sent out emails regarding this, however I have yet to receive 1.

The only one I received was the following:
SCE Customer Support wrote:

valued PlayStation Network/Qriocity Customer:

We have discovered that between April 17 and April 19, 2011,
certain PlayStation Network and Qriocity service user account
information was compromised in connection with an illegal and
unauthorized intrusion into our network. In response to this
intrusion, we have:

1) Temporarily turned off PlayStation Network and Qriocity services;

2) Engaged an outside, recognized security firm to conduct a
full and complete investigation into what happened; and

3) Quickly taken steps to enhance security and strengthen our
network infrastructure by rebuilding our system to provide you
with greater protection of your personal information.

We greatly appreciate your patience, understanding and goodwill
as we do whatever it takes to resolve these issues as quickly
and efficiently as practicable.

Although we are still investigating the details of this incident,
we believe that an unauthorized person has obtained the following
information that you provided: name, address (city, state/province,
zip or postal code), country, email address, birthdate, PlayStation
Network/Qriocity password, login, password security answers, and handle/PSN
online ID. It is also possible that your profile data may have been obtained,
including purchase history and billing address (city, state/province, zip
or postal code). If you have authorized a sub-account for your dependent,
the same data with respect to your dependent may have been obtained.
While there is no evidence that credit card data was taken at this time,
we cannot rule out the possibility. If you have provided your credit card
data through PlayStation Network or Qriocity, out of an abundance of caution
we are advising that your credit card number (excluding security code) and
expiration date may also have been obtained.


For your security, we encourage you to be especially aware of email,
telephone, and postal mail scams that ask for personal or sensitive
information. Sony will not contact you in any way, including by email,
asking for your credit card number, social security, tax identification
or similar number or other personally identifiable information. If you
are asked for this information, you can be confident Sony is not the
entity asking. When the PlayStation Network and Qriocity services are
fully restored, we strongly recommend that you log on and change your
password. Additionally, if you use your PlayStation Network or Qriocity
user name or password for other unrelated services or accounts, we
strongly recommend that you change them as well.

To protect against possible identity theft or other financial loss,
we encourage you to remain vigilant, to review your account statements
and to monitor your credit or similar types of reports.

We thank you for your patience as we complete our investigation of
this incident, and we regret any inconvenience. Our teams are working
around the clock on this, and services will be restored as soon as
possible. Sony takes information protection very seriously and will
continue to work to ensure that additional measures are taken to
protect personally identifiable information. Providing quality and
secure entertainment services to our customers is our utmost priority.
Please contact us at 1-800-345-7669 should you have any additional questions.

Sincerely,

Sony Computer Entertainment and Sony Network Entertainment


Dan wrote:
In many places it maybe law that a company has to inform there customers about a potenial leak of personal information as soon as possible. Sony maybe facing serveral potential lawsuits by waiting as long as they have allready.

The are "allready" ( Mr. Green ) facing several lawsuits from ppl and firms wanting to make money bc they "care about the people".
If the credit card leak is true, they should contact at least those customers that have used their credit card on PSN...

Author:  Dan [ Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:27 pm ]
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It's possible that Sony simply does not have any kind of audit logging in their developers network and has no way of knowing if the credit card numbers where compromised or not. Honestly it would not surprise my given how many other security failures they have done.

Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Sun May 01, 2011 8:06 am ]
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Sony's official press conference: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/01/sonys-kaz-hirai-will-address-playstation-network-hack-at-1am-et/

SONY wrote:

As many as 10 million credit card numbers may have been exposed, though Sony says it has no proof that any actually have been compromised, and claims that it's received no reports of credit card fraud thus far. It is, however, working with the FBI to investigate the hack.


And I was right!
ProgrammingFun @ Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:00 pm wrote:

I'm guessing one of the following:

    A free PlayStation Mini that was slated to become free anyways Laughing
    Free PS Plus membership for a month (maybe year?)
    An Apology (maybe with something else?) Mr. Green

OFFICIAL:
Engadget wrote:

We're hearing that Sony's "goodwill gesture" may not be an incredibly significant one -- affected users can expect a free 30-day subscription to PlayStation Plus and a free software download of some sort, while Qriocity customers will get an extra 30 days of service on the house.

Engadget wrote:

3:07 JST: One asked about compensation for the personal data leakage, in terms of credit card charge refunds, free software and the like, and Kaz insisted that the gifts are not compensation for the leak -- Sony is not presently compensating customers for the data leak because it doesn't have any evidence of credit card fraud, and Kaz says if Sony gets such reports it will deal with them on a case-by-case basis.

Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Mon May 02, 2011 7:00 pm ]
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/02/sony-woes-continue-as-soe-confirms-data-breach/

Author:  mirhagk [ Mon May 02, 2011 9:42 pm ]
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That's why I go with Xbox, I mean if windows gets hacked, I have much bigger problems than my personal info being leaked (such as the potential crash and/or downfall of 90% of the world's computers)

Author:  mirhagk [ Wed May 04, 2011 10:50 am ]
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Author:  DemonWasp [ Wed May 04, 2011 11:14 am ]
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Apparently we've forgotten all those times Windows has been hacked (btw, "cracked" is the correct term to use). There are a half-dozen very famous viruses that are well-known largely because they've disabled a substantial portion of the Windows machines of the world, costing businesses billions each time.

Ah well, even if every Windows machine in existence gave up the ghost simultaneously, the Internet (at least 90% of it) would still work, and reddit would still be up, so I'd be laughing. Oh, and I'd finally have a proper excuse to break out my livecds at work.

Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Wed May 04, 2011 8:03 pm ]
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An update on the situation (all PSN accounts compromised and a lot of credit cards): http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/04/sony-responds-to-congress-all-77-million-psn-accounts-compromis/

Author:  Insectoid [ Wed May 04, 2011 8:16 pm ]
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investigators found a file on one of the servers named "Anonymous" with the words "We are Legion" inside it.


Rofl.

In the words of Steven Colbert, Anonymous is a giant hornet nest, and Sony decided to stick its penis in it.

Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Wed May 04, 2011 8:55 pm ]
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Insectoid @ Wed May 04, 2011 8:16 pm wrote:
In the words of Steven Colbert, Anonymous is a giant hornet nest, and Sony decided to stick its penis in it.

+1 Laughing Laughing Laughing

Author:  mirhagk [ Thu May 05, 2011 8:40 am ]
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It's a good question of whether anon did it. I believe that they are innocent. Well they're not innocent, but that they are not the ones to blame here lol

Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Thu May 05, 2011 4:14 pm ]
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mirhagk @ Thu May 05, 2011 8:40 am wrote:
It's a good question of whether anon did it. I believe that they are innocent. Well they're not innocent, but that they are not the ones to blame here lol
Why not? Do you think that some other group included that file just to screw both Sony and Anonymous?

Author:  Insectoid [ Thu May 05, 2011 4:56 pm ]
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The existence of that file is proof enough that it was anon. Weather or not the hacker considered himself part of anon, it became an anon operation as soon as that file was created.

@ProgrammingFun- you can't screw Anonymous. Case in point: HBGary.

If anon gets blamed, well, that won't accomplish anything. As soon as an individual is tied to the attack, it is no longer the work of anonymous, but of that individual.

'Anonymous Theory' (a term coined just now) is interesting stuff to think about.

Author:  mirhagk [ Thu May 05, 2011 8:51 pm ]
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the hacker probably calls himself anon, but anon would not accept him

Author:  Insectoid [ Thu May 05, 2011 9:36 pm ]
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Miragk, are you even aware of the nature of anon? Anyone can do anything and claim it was anon. sure, a lot of anon doesn't like what he did and hell, might not accept him as part of anon. But then the rest of anon doesn't give a shit. Only if there's a massive outcry against the Sony hack from anon can they be relieved of responsibility.

Author:  Insectoid [ Thu May 05, 2011 10:34 pm ]
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It appears Anon is denying affiliation with the hack. Let's see how this plays out.

Author:  mirhagk [ Fri May 06, 2011 8:09 am ]
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My point was that there are two classes of anon, those anon that are respected, humourous, and have this unspoken code of conduct, and then there are cowards who hide behind an anonymous name, and loosely claim to follow anon.

Author:  Insectoid [ Fri May 06, 2011 8:30 am ]
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cowards who hide behind an anonymous name
This is anon in its entirety.

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anon that are respected, humourous, and have this unspoken code of conduct
Humourous? Sometimes. Mostly not. Respected? Not at all. Code of conduct? This is entirely subjective. I suspect they still do it in part for the lulz rather than in actual support for the 'cause'.

Hell, I'd not be surprised if the 'internet crusaders of the world' stance anon has taken recently (since 2009-ish I think) was secretly driven by some government organization in order to fix things the government can't publicly fix (this doesn't, of course, speak for wikileaks, but w/e). I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any means, but how convenient would it be to have a scapegoat that nobody can touch?

Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Sun May 08, 2011 2:34 pm ]
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And it was hacked again...this time, a database of 2500 contest winners from 10 years ago...

Author:  mirhagk [ Sun May 08, 2011 3:10 pm ]
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Wait I thought the network was turned off, how was it hacked?

Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Sun May 08, 2011 5:01 pm ]
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mirhagk @ Sun May 08, 2011 3:10 pm wrote:
Wait I thought the network was turned off, how was it hacked?

An older version of the browser accessible PSN website was hacked...

Author:  mirhagk [ Sun May 08, 2011 9:03 pm ]
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oh okay lol, nice

Author:  BigBear [ Mon May 09, 2011 3:23 pm ]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVU6v53ow8k

Author:  mirhagk [ Tue May 10, 2011 7:35 am ]
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thanks big bear, is it up yet though?

Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Tue May 10, 2011 3:23 pm ]
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Apparently the last attack was a fail bc sony has taken the buggy server offline (took some time Razz)

Author:  BigBear [ Tue May 10, 2011 11:21 pm ]
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mirhagk @ Tue May 10, 2011 7:35 am wrote:
thanks big bear, is it up yet though?


http://ispsnupyet.com/

Nope and apparently netflix no longer works which it did until a few days ago

Author:  mirhagk [ Wed May 11, 2011 8:29 am ]
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LOLOLOL that's great, man this is literally going to kill sony, which kinda sucks cuz competition is good.

LOL guess it's Xbox and Nintendo now....

Author:  DemonWasp [ Wed May 11, 2011 9:11 am ]
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Sony has weathered far worse before and will again. Remember that time they used music CDs to install a rootkit on their customers computers, secretly and without permission? Of course not, it's been forgotten.

Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Wed May 11, 2011 6:14 pm ]
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DemonWasp @ Wed May 11, 2011 9:11 am wrote:
Sony has weathered far worse before and will again. Remember that time they used music CDs to install a rootkit on their customers computers, secretly and without permission? Of course not, it's been forgotten.

I remeber that! Though I was far too young to actually experience it Razz
This is a much more large scale kind of thing though. The rootkit crisis would have been understood by computer-savvy people whereas the average noob is even experiencing this.

...BTW, a lot of people believe that PSN = PanaSoNic servers lol Mr. Green

Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Sat May 14, 2011 9:50 am ]
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PSN is back up...for devs...

Author:  andrew. [ Sun May 15, 2011 9:26 am ]
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Sony has apparently started to bring back PSN functionality. Source

Author:  ProgrammingFun [ Sun May 15, 2011 2:02 pm ]
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You are late my friend...when you posted that, all of North America was already opened to PSN Mr. Green
...but I guess you are right in the prespective of the world. BooHoo


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