WOW! I recently bought a domain for $100 /year
Computer Science Canada How does one get a website? |
| Author: | BigBear [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | How does one get a website? |
My brother just started a website for his dog breeding and he had a free website with squarespace and then he bought his desired domain name. So he is using the software and hosting from squarespace, which is $15 per month. While the domain name is $20 per year. Is it possible to use free software to develop the pages and host it on your computer? Also I wasn't sure when you use these free hosting sites can you generate ad revenue. My teacher hosts a linux server and uses a free account on a website which auto update his ip address when he connects. Could this be used for a website? |
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| Author: | DtY [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:How does one get a website? |
There are services that give you a program to run on your computer that will update the DNS record for your domain when your IP address changes, so you don't need to buy a static IP address, but there are some problems to running a public server on your home computer; - Most ISPs do not allow public servers on a home package, many even block incoming connections on low port numbers, which are reserved for common services. Http runs on port 80 (by default), so if your ISP did this you'd have to serve on a nonstandard port, and end up with a url like http://yourdomain.com:4567, which looks unprofessional - Security; you're opening up your computer to the world, even if it's just a single port, there could be a security risk - Slow; most home connections have really really low upload speeds [edit] Yes, you can do it with free software, if you do do this, I suggest using lighttpd as your webserver. And making ad revenue on free hosting depends on who is hosting, read the EULA. |
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| Author: | BigBear [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:How does one get a website? |
Couldn't you forward http://yourdomain.com to http://yourdomain.com:4567 if you owned the domain name What about programs to save you from learning html |
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| Author: | jbking [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:How does one get a website? |
BigBear @ Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:51 pm wrote: Couldn't you forward
http://yourdomain.com to http://yourdomain.com:4567 if you owned the domain name What about programs to save you from learning html Depends on what comes first. In trying to access the "yourdomain.com" on port 80 if a blocker gets hit first or if a redirecter gets found. There are many programs that allow one to make simple sites without knowing a lot of HTML but some of the rich text editors out there can make some ugly HTML if one isn't careful at times. |
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| Author: | BigBear [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:How does one get a website? |
So $15 per month is a good deal for web hosting? |
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| Author: | Zren [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:How does one get a website? |
How long you plan on tinkering with this? If it's only 1 month then any price ain't bad (most servers give your just about any services you need when you fork over money). If your planing to actually use the site for about a year, then no, though most site's also lower the price for a longer period of service. What site you looking at? Oh and... If your not good at HTML, your probably better off getting a premade one. There are plenty of free templates out there. http://www.oswd.org/ has a few good ones. For a free editor: http://download.cnet.com/Nvu/3000-10247_4-10412423.html, It's nowhere near as good as Dreamweaver, but it's good enough for simple edits. |
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| Author: | DtY [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:How does one get a website? |
BigBear @ Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:51 pm wrote: Couldn't you forward
Not if port 80 is blocked-- You'd need a webserver running on that port that would redirect the user, but it'd be blocked.
http://yourdomain.com to http://yourdomain.com:4567 if you owned the domain name What about programs to save you from learning html Now, you could use free hosting and have www.yourdomain.com go to the free hosting, which would redirect you to www2.yourdomain.com:4567 (where www2 is an arbitrary name), which would be hosted on your home computer. But, if your ISP is blocking incoming connections on low ports, they probably don't allow public servers running. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:How does one get a website? |
$20 for a domain is over priced, for .ca it should be closer to $10 a year and even cheaper for .com. How much you pay for hosting relay depends on what kind of services you get. We used to use Dreamhost for compsci.ca (intill we got kicked off). It is about $9/month for shared hosting with unlimited space and bandwidth but lots of rules and cpu usage caps. Dreamhost also comes with a free domain registrations. I would not recommend it for anything but hosting some personal sites as they get pissy about you getting a lot of traffic or scripts that take up any noticable amount of cpu time but they are great for some one just starting to learn about servers, hosting and websites. Edit: Almost all ISPs i have used do not block port 80 or any other port (tho they may throttle them), i would be a bit surprised if there are ones that do and if yours does you should switch ISPs. However many do have rules about hosting servers but i have never seen them enforced for small sites (you can allays just say it is for testing/development). There is free software for running your own webserver and DNS (eg. Apache and bind) but if you have a dynamic IP you will likely need some service like DynDNS.com to have a hostname allways pointing to your computer. |
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| Author: | ProgrammingFun [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:How does one get a website? |
WOW! I recently bought a domain for $100 /year |
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| Author: | Dan [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:How does one get a website? |
ProgrammingFun @ 17th February 2010, 7:07 pm wrote: WOW! I recently bought a domain for $100 /year
Unless that came with hosting or was an already registered domain you bought from some one you got massively ripped off. With hosting, thats aucataly a good deal, assuming they have a stanard set of services, php, mysql, etc. |
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| Author: | BigBear [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:How does one get a website? |
Ok I will look at Dreamhost but does it have an easy way to make web pages? |
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| Author: | Euphoracle [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:How does one get a website? |
You make your webpages on your computer using your editor/template/software of choice and then upload it. If you want to simplify the process, you can get a Content Management System (CMS) like wordpress or joomla, get a theme/skin for it, and use it to make your website. (this is how blogs are done) |
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| Author: | Dan [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:How does one get a website? |
BigBear @ 17th February 2010, 7:48 pm wrote: Ok I will look at Dreamhost but does it have an easy way to make web pages?
They have an easy way to install common software like wordpress, joomla, phpBB, MediaWiki, and Moodle via there control panel, however as Euphoracle mentioned you need to make the web pages or applications via some kind of editor on your home PC (which can be anything from notepad to dream weaver). You will likely want to learn about HTML, CSS and possibly Javascript, PHP and MySQL if you want more dynamic applications (frameworks like RoR and django are fun too). |
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| Author: | md [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:How does one get a website? |
Oh, to be paying $9 a month for web hosting... But of course then my physical server would be in the states, and subject to American law... and I would also not get to run whatever services I want... nor would I be able to use my IP space... I guess $40 a month isn't so bad when I think about it  |
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| Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:How does one get a website? |
Depends on the purpose. Which reminds me, what of hosting something like a network (not browser) shooting game? |
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| Author: | md [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:How does one get a website? |
Sniperdude, that would depend entirely on the game, and how much traffic it will get. But look to spend between $20 (minimum on a VPS) and $50. |
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| Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:How does one get a website? |
Thanks, those were the numbers I was figuring - I just didn't want to rip myself off when it comes time. |
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| Author: | BigBear [ Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:How does one get a website? |
Well I talked to him about the process and he is happy to pay an extra $5 a month and save himself the hassle of learning and using a new system, which might have future road blocks. |
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| Author: | ProgrammingFun [ Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:How does one get a website? |
Dan @ Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:09 pm wrote: ProgrammingFun @ 17th February 2010, 7:07 pm wrote: WOW! I recently bought a domain for $100 /year
Unless that came with hosting or was an already registered domain you bought from some one you got massively ripped off. With hosting, thats aucataly a good deal, assuming they have a stanard set of services, php, mysql, etc. Yeah, it came from netfirms (web hosting). BUT Microsoft hosts for $15/year (Microsoft office live small business). |
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