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| Author: | Zren [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | BluRay |
I would post in the advertisement thread, but it's bound to get deleted. Anyways, I'm just wondering how many people hear what people think about BluRay, specifically for the PC. Will it ever become a common optical drive much like the DVD and CD drives that came before it ? Will the need for these drives ever truly come. Right now, the only software that I can see needing 25-50 Gb in size will either be games, operating systems (oh mother of pearl that's huge), and possibly database on disc and the like. Sure I can't glimpse into the future and know what's to come, but there are so many competing things like Flash Memory, cheap hard drives and the like that will become/are much cheaper. Backup nowadays is either burning a CD/DVD, or dumping it onto a flash drive. Anything more that what is currently supported for flash memory (like 8Gb-16Gb), that is needed to backup like servers, databases and the like are usually dumped onto tapes or extra drives (like RAID). A hard drive (even a fancy external one), is much cheaper than a BluRay burner, even just a BD-ROM. Prices will go down, but isn't it mass production that will drive down those prices. The main people who will be purchasing the burners are those who want to rip movies, for their expensive and large TVs. Meaning they can already afford the high price (stereotypically). So, do you think BluRay will ever gain a large PC user base? Are you already an adopter of this technology? If I could, I'd add a poll asking what you already own a BluRay drive (PC, Burner, Movie Player, PS3...). So instead just put it in your post. EDIT: Totally forgot. I own a BD-ROM drive on my laptop, it came pre-installed, haven't used it for BluRay once (though I did just buy a decent TV so there's like a 0.1% chance I'd buy it for that movie I love to death . . . or not). |
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| Author: | wtd [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:BluRay |
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| Author: | apomb [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:BluRay |
are you saying Blu-ray Disc = a bag full of hurt wtd? And my two cents on the subject: it took a while for DVDs to come into full-on mainstream also... however, you didnt need to buy a whole new TV just to watch a DVD. So i understand what you mean when you say people who are going to buy blu-ray burners are more likely to already have the TV and set-top box. |
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| Author: | jbking [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BluRay |
"HD DVD returns and kicks Blu-ray to the gutter" has an interesting take on what may happen involving BluRay. My guess is that on-line backups and cloud computing will be the big blockers on preventing BluRay from taking off in mainstream PCs though I think it will be common to see it as an option in higher-end models like if you customize an XPS from Dell that could have a BluRay drive. I have no BluRay player or the desire to get one. I wonder if BluRay coming out so soon after DVDs were common may also play a role in how it doesn't get wide adoption. |
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| Author: | andrew. [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:BluRay |
The only Blu-Ray player I have is my PS3. Other than the games (which are burned on BD-ROMs) I don't use it. |
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| Author: | DtY [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:BluRay |
Four blurays or 23 DVDs for my music backup... I can see bluray being used for home backup in the future. I'd be, if Sony wasn't behind it. |
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| Author: | andrew. [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:BluRay |
What's so bad about Sony owning Blu-Ray? It's not like they're stopping you from doing backing up your data. |
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| Author: | gianni [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BluRay |
jbking @ Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:28 am wrote: My guess is that on-line backups and cloud computing will be the big blockers on preventing BluRay from taking off...
Cloud computing has nothing to do with BluRay. DtY wrote: Four blurays or 23 DVDs for my music backup...
I can see bluray being used for home backup in the future. I'd be, if Sony wasn't behind it. Hard drives are currently very cheap, I would suggest an external drive over backups on optical media. I think an even better solution would be to use something like Amazon S3 for backups. wtd wrote: Bag of hurt for Apple. In short: URRITE. Apple is disinterested (perhaps even opposed) to BD hitting the mainstream PC market, as it's interested and conquering (and doing a fine job thus far) the digital delivery market. I also believe it's the right direction. |
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| Author: | Insectoid [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:BluRay |
Quote: Apple is disinterested (perhaps even opposed) to BD hitting the mainstream PC market, as it's interested and conquering (and doing a fine job thus far) the digital delivery market. I also believe it's the right direction.
I'd love to have a blu-ray player in my macbook to go with the high-def screen built into it. |
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| Author: | gianni [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:BluRay |
insectoid @ Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:05 pm wrote: Quote: Apple is disinterested (perhaps even opposed) to BD hitting the mainstream PC market, as it's interested and conquering (and doing a fine job thus far) the digital delivery market. I also believe it's the right direction.
I'd love to have a blu-ray player in my macbook to go with the high-def screen built into it. Because your high-def movies are on BD, right? If all the same movies are just as readily available in digital format at equal or greater quality, BD quickly becomes irrelevant. Consumers would then have much more choice and freedom. They wouldn't be locked into a specific technology (BD), they wouldn't need any special hardware (BD player), they could convert the media (hell, they could burn it to BD if they want), and they could choose on which device they'd like to view the media (e.g.: personal media player, TV, computer, etc...). |
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| Author: | rdrake [ Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:BluRay |
gianni @ Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:20 pm wrote: Consumers would then have much more choice and freedom. They wouldn't be locked into a specific technology (BD), they wouldn't need any special hardware (BD player), they could convert the media (hell, they could burn it to BD if they want), and they could choose on which device they'd like to view the media (e.g.: personal media player, TV, computer, etc...). Are you talking about the same Sony that everybody else is? Doesn't sound like it.
What is this "fair use" and "not being locked into a specific technology" of which you speak? |
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| Author: | gianni [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:BluRay |
rdrake @ Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:05 pm wrote: Are you talking about the same Sony that everybody else is? Doesn't sound like it.
I didn't mention Sony. rdrake @ Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:05 pm wrote: What is this "fair use" and "not being locked into a specific technology" of which you speak?
We're already there with music. I think videos will follow suit eventually. |
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| Author: | Insectoid [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:BluRay |
Indeed, I could put 15gb movies on my laptop hard drive (or even my external) but then I would have to limit the space I use for other things. I'd love to have movies on flash drives & the like, it just hasn't happened yet. |
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| Author: | saltpro15 [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:BluRay |
insectoid, are you looking for something like this?. For 99 bucks, 32 GB and a waterproof/drop proof case isn't too bad EDIT: this one is cheaper, and more practical  |
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| Author: | jbking [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BluRay |
gianni @ Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:26 pm wrote: jbking @ Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:28 am wrote: My guess is that on-line backups and cloud computing will be the big blockers on preventing BluRay from taking off...
Cloud computing has nothing to do with BluRay. DtY wrote: Four blurays or 23 DVDs for my music backup...
I can see bluray being used for home backup in the future. I'd be, if Sony wasn't behind it. Hard drives are currently very cheap, I would suggest an external drive over backups on optical media. I think an even better solution would be to use something like Amazon S3 for backups. I'm somewhat left head-scratching here as isn't Amazon S3, an example of cloud computing? You mentioning it there kind of makes me think there is some connection between BluRay and on-line storage which is an example of cloud computing, thus creating an association or can you disprove that somehow? I'm just wanting clarity on how the quoted statements are correct and don't contradict each other. |
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| Author: | andrew. [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:BluRay |
gianni @ Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:20 pm wrote: insectoid @ Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:05 pm wrote: Quote: Apple is disinterested (perhaps even opposed) to BD hitting the mainstream PC market, as it's interested and conquering (and doing a fine job thus far) the digital delivery market. I also believe it's the right direction.
I'd love to have a blu-ray player in my macbook to go with the high-def screen built into it. Because your high-def movies are on BD, right? If all the same movies are just as readily available in digital format at equal or greater quality, BD quickly becomes irrelevant. Consumers would then have much more choice and freedom. They wouldn't be locked into a specific technology (BD), they wouldn't need any special hardware (BD player), they could convert the media (hell, they could burn it to BD if they want), and they could choose on which device they'd like to view the media (e.g.: personal media player, TV, computer, etc...). |
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| Author: | gianni [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BluRay |
jbking @ Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:16 pm wrote: I'm somewhat left head-scratching here as isn't Amazon S3, an example of cloud computing? You mentioning it there kind of makes me think there is some connection between BluRay and on-line storage which is an example of cloud computing, thus creating an association or can you disprove that somehow?
I'm just wanting clarity on how the quoted statements are correct and don't contradict each other. I don't consider online storage to be cloud-computing. The term "cloud-computing" gets thrown around far too liberally as a buzzword by people who don't know what they're talking about. |
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| Author: | gianni [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:BluRay |
andrew. @ Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:27 pm wrote: But Apple wouldn't allow this. Already on their music and videos, you cannot play it on another "unauthorized" computer. You also cannot burn it to disc. The only things you can play your bought media on is your "authorized" computer and iPod.
This is not Apple's doing, these limitations are mandated by the copyright holders and copyright lobbyists (e.g.: MPAA, movie studios, etc...). As we saw with the iTunes music store, with enough public education and demand, these crippling limitations can be removed. All iTunes music now contains no DRM, can be played on any device/computer you wish, and can be duplicated to your heart's content. It's not unreasonable to imagine that the same will happen with videos as public awareness rises. Especially with all the news coverage on copyright infringement these days. |
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| Author: | DtY [ Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:BluRay |
gianni @ Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:22 pm wrote: can be played on any device/computer you wish,
As long as you have an AAC decoder for that computer, and thanks to American software patents, many Linux distributions don't have those. |
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| Author: | andrew. [ Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:BluRay |
Couldn't you install VLC on your Linux OS and play it? VLC plays any media I throw at it. |
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| Author: | DtY [ Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:BluRay |
andrew. @ Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:45 am wrote: Couldn't you install VLC on your Linux OS and play it? VLC plays any media I throw at it.
VLC plays AAC, but it's not a great audio player, and it's not included in most distributions |
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| Author: | BigBear [ Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:BluRay |
I think once they are cheap enough that PS's start coming with them they will be widely used. Something I just thought of while reading this is that new games will come on Flash drives. Is the price practical I don't think so but I dno really EDIT: I just read about CBHD and will my HD dvd player on my computer be able to read CBHD discs? |
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| Author: | Zren [ Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BluRay |
The only problem I can see with games on flash drives is the Read speed. Also, dumb users could also accidently destroy some of the games files (Unless you made the drive read only). However this would makie it easier to update the "installer" so your installation "cd" is always as updated as your installed game. |
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| Author: | andrew. [ Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:BluRay |
Maybe it could be like a USB flash drive with 2 partitions. One read-only with the game files on it and the other hidden, with the users files and patches on it. If that's possible. |
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| Author: | gianni [ Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:BluRay |
I think the media is irrelevant. Steam-style game downloads are the real future (present?) for both PCs and consoles. If you so choose to put your game on USB after downloading it, there should be nothing stopping you. |
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| Author: | wtd [ Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:BluRay |
gianni @ Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:22 am wrote: I think the media is irrelevant. Steam-style game downloads are the real future (present?) for both PCs and consoles. If you so choose to put your game on USB after downloading it, there should be nothing stopping you.
++ But I would extend it to say that this is the future for basically all software distribution. Take a look at Microsoft's Office 2007 retail packaging. It now prominently contains information on how to install Office (download the trial, then activate with the included code) if you don't have an optical drive. |
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| Author: | andrew. [ Mon Aug 17, 2009 5:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:BluRay |
I like the idea of downloading stuff as long as they let you keep the installers on external media. With Steam though, you have to copy the whole Steam folder to save it somewhere else (well that's what I've been doing) and that may take up a lot of space depending on how many games/demos you have. Also, if you didn't back it up and wanted to install your game, you would have to redownload the whole huge file again. I just wish Steam let you save the installer somewhere. |
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| Author: | BigBear [ Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:BluRay |
Downloading games do not always work for everyone like people with slow download speeds or people with low usage which would add an additional charge to the content |
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| Author: | andrew. [ Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:BluRay |
Also, I normally like having physical backups in case of some kind of failure. |
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| Author: | gamemaniac [ Thu Sep 10, 2009 2:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: BluRay |
As I see BluRay is going to be the norm in the near future. Initially all the laptop parts were extremely expensive whether you go for the customization or you buy the pre-assembled one and laptop repair was also not cheap by any standards. Now talking about a 2 GB RAM, 250 GB hard disk drive and 1.5 GHz processor is the most common configuration used in present laptops and certainly BluRay will follow the same path and it will definitely be as common as a DVD drive. Mod edit: Your post almost looks helpful without all the spam in it. |
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