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Is laptop computer absolutely necessary at UW BSE?

Author:  joseph2625 [ Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Is laptop computer absolutely necessary at UW BSE?

Hi, I am going to waterloo this fall and I have a question regarding laptop.

I am not really planning to buy a laptop because it will just become a distractor.

I really don't want to goof around with it..

Is laptop really necessary for first year BSE student?

Author:  Dan [ Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:43 pm ]
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Most universitys provide 24/7 computer labs witch are open for student use, so you could proably get away with out having a laptop or even desktop computer.

However i would recomend having a desktop unless you want to live in the computer lab.


I did not go to waterloo but at lakehead there where many students who did not use a laptop to take notes during lectores and all the labs that needed you to have a computer where done in a computer lab any way.

If you think a laptop would distract you during lectores and tutorials then i hightly recomend not getting one. Also for math based lectures it is almsot allways better to use a pencial and paper as you will be spending more time trying to figier out how to get the correct symbols in your word processor then paying antion to the professor.

Author:  jbking [ Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:45 pm ]
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No, according to an FAQ on the SE site:

Quote:
Students who own and maintain their own computer enter university with more confidence and experience in using computers. But you do not need your own computer to succeed in the Software Engineering program. You will be given an account on the university's computing network as soon as you arrive on campus. This will give you 24 hours/day access to computers and the Internet. Also, working in the computer labs will give you a better chance to bond with their classmates. If you do decide to bring a computer with you to university, please review our guidelines on computing needs.

Author:  Vermette [ Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:17 pm ]
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Though I did not attend Waterloo, in my experience as both an undergraduate student and later GA laptops were all to often a distraction during a lecture. Many would spend the entire lecture on distractions like chatting, Facebook or Twitter, a movie or music, flash games etc. I remember one fellow actually trying to play WoW during a lecture. Some students use the laptop for lecture slides and notetaking. Personally, I was well served by pen&paper and actually listening to what was being said instead of splitting my attention. The slides I could always refer to in my own time.

The school will ensure you have access to whatever computing resources you need to complete assignments, and the labs can serve to connect you with your peers. A laptop can be a definite convenience and a valuable tool, but don't view it as an academic necessity.

Author:  jernst [ Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:38 pm ]
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I had a laptop when I did my undergrad and it was often a distraction. For a while I stopped bringing it to class and took notes by hand. I also felt that writing the notes helped me remember them better for tests, but who knows maybe without the distractions i absorbed more or something.

I have started bringing my laptop again, but I make sure I don't get distracted when I use it, and try to make it useful..for example looking up things I am having trouble understanding on the net while I am listening in class to supplement what is being talk.

Author:  Vermette [ Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:48 pm ]
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jernst @ June 12th 2009, 13:38 wrote:

I have started bringing my laptop again, but I make sure I don't get distracted when I use it, and try to make it useful..for example looking up things I am having trouble understanding on the net while I am listening in class to supplement what is being talk.


Yeah, I have to confess that I now bring a laptop to lectures as well. But, you and I are graduate students, and I now find myself doing a lot more presentations that I ever did as a SE undergraduate.

Author:  jernst [ Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:13 pm ]
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Vermette @ Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:48 pm wrote:
Yeah, I have to confess that I now bring a laptop to lectures as well. But, you and I are graduate students, and I now find myself doing a lot more presentations that I ever did as a SE undergraduate.


That's true, its almost impossible not to have one as a grad student compared with undergrad because of the presentations. In fact I barely did any presentations in undergrad compsci (but maybe that was just WLU)

Author:  Brightguy [ Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:24 pm ]
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Dan @ Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:43 pm wrote:
Also for math based lectures it is almsot allways better to use a pencial and paper as you will be spending more time trying to figier out how to get the correct symbols in your word processor then paying antion to the professor.

ACK! Are you kidding me? LaTeX, please. Snooty

Author:  Prabhakar Ragde [ Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:33 pm ]
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In my experience sittting at the back of a UW SE classroom, most students had laptops, which they were using to play games, surf, and check social networking sites. So if you want to fit in, yes.

Author:  Dark [ Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:59 pm ]
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Prabhakar Ragde @ Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:33 pm wrote:
In my experience sittting at the back of a UW SE classroom, most students had laptops, which they were using to play games, surf, and check social networking sites. So if you want to fit in, yes.


Lol really? The tuition is very high (imo) especially since I can learn many things taught in SE via googling, so I thought at least students would pay attention in their expensive classes...geez...

Author:  endless [ Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:37 pm ]
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Prabhakar Ragde @ Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:33 pm wrote:
In my experience sittting at the back of a UW SE classroom, most students had laptops, which they were using to play games, surf, and check social networking sites. So if you want to fit in, yes.


wow, i have yet to experience a university class yet, but this seems extremely disrespectful to the professor.

Author:  Clayton [ Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:03 am ]
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endless @ Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:37 pm wrote:
Prabhakar Ragde @ Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:33 pm wrote:
In my experience sittting at the back of a UW SE classroom, most students had laptops, which they were using to play games, surf, and check social networking sites. So if you want to fit in, yes.


wow, i have yet to experience a university class yet, but this seems extremely disrespectful to the professor.


Many I've talked to don't particularly care. Some do, and some don't. Back in September, a classmate of mine was playing WoW at the back of the class with headphones in. Near the end of the class, his headphones popped out and a quote from a raid boss went over the (max volume) speakers. Turns out the professor played WoW as well, as all he could say was, "I hope you got your mount." And just continued on with the lecture. So meh.

Author:  Prabhakar Ragde [ Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:53 am ]
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Clayton @ Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:03 am wrote:

Many I've talked to don't particularly care.


I don't particularly care about the disrespect when it happens to me (there are plenty of other ways students show disrespect, none of which I much care about). My main concern is that it's distracting to other students. If people are doing this in the back row with no one beside them, it's their business (their funeral, if you ask me).

Author:  Euphoracle [ Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:36 pm ]
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I'm still finding it hard to believe that people would pay to go to class and still slack off like that while it is in progress. I can understand in highschool, but does this really continue on? Why bother going?

Author:  Horus [ Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:53 pm ]
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Euphoracle @ Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:36 pm wrote:
I'm still finding it hard to believe that people would pay to go to class and still slack off like that while it is in progress. I can understand in highschool, but does this really continue on? Why bother going?


You pay to get the degree, for some genius, they don't really need to pay attention in class to graduate with high marks.
For others who are not a genius and slacks off, probably because it's their first time experiencing freedom and that they can do anything they want without their teachers yelling at them, or their parents urging them to do hwk, and as of the tuition, it's their parents money.




Also, just wondering, are we allowed to record a lecture using a laptop with webcam? that would totally give me a reason to buy a laptop.

Author:  Prabhakar Ragde [ Sat Jun 13, 2009 4:11 pm ]
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Horus @ Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:53 pm wrote:

Also, just wondering, are we allowed to record a lecture using a laptop with webcam? that would totally give me a reason to buy a laptop.


You had better ask permission of the instructor for something like that.

Author:  Dan [ Sat Jun 13, 2009 4:36 pm ]
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Prabhakar Ragde @ 13th June 2009, 4:11 pm wrote:
Horus @ Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:53 pm wrote:

Also, just wondering, are we allowed to record a lecture using a laptop with webcam? that would totally give me a reason to buy a laptop.


You had better ask permission of the instructor for something like that.



Due to my disability i was able to get special permission to do something like this at Lakehead however there where also copy right issues with the recording requiring me to sign an agreement stating that the recordings could not be shared or shown to any one and that i did have any ownership of recordings in terms of copyright.

However i quickly found out that most laptops have rather poor audio recording abilities and you would need a rather expensive mic to get anything worth while.

Author:  Horus [ Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:10 pm ]
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Prabhakar Ragde @ Sat Jun 13, 2009 4:11 pm wrote:
Horus @ Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:53 pm wrote:

Also, just wondering, are we allowed to record a lecture using a laptop with webcam? that would totally give me a reason to buy a laptop.


You had better ask permission of the instructor for something like that.


just wondering, would you allow it? and do you think other instructors in UW will allow it?

Need to know cause I might buy a laptop.

Author:  Prabhakar Ragde [ Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:51 pm ]
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Horus @ Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:10 pm wrote:

just wondering, would you allow it? and do you think other instructors in UW will allow it?


I would allow it from someone I knew or if there were a good reason (e.g. a disability). Not from a random student. I can't speak for any other instructors.

Author:  ecookman [ Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:52 am ]
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If distractions are the problem, get a laptop that that doesn't have to much horse power, and don't connect to the school's network.

I think that the pnly way you would be able to record the lecture is if you had a disabllty. or if the teacher doesn't mind. Also the Mic's built in to laptops usually suck really bad.

Author:  BigBear [ Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:52 am ]
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Don't some prof record their lecture for students?

Author:  ecookman [ Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:03 pm ]
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from what i have heard, no (only for UoT from my programming instructor)

Author:  implosion [ Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:51 pm ]
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hey i was just wondering, since your going into software engineering @ UW, what makes software engineering different from software engineering under computer science... like why would you need chem + physics... isn't software engineering pretty much the same as computer science ? =S

Author:  Drew416 [ Wed Jun 17, 2009 6:24 am ]
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There is no need to ask for instructor's permission if you're gonna be recording lectures as long as you keep them for personal use and don't post them on the internet or something stupid like that. You're paying so much money for education that it is unfair to deny you the ability to record lectures for review. Laptop mics are crap, buy one of those audio recorders from futureshop they are usually like 80 bucks and record more then 200 hours of audio. They are smaller then a cell-phone so there is no way the prof will know you are recoding if you conceal it properly. With that being said recording lectures is useless esp for cs. I only recorded lectures for one class (Music) and that was only because the prof dumped so much information in 50 minutes that it was impossible to keep up with him without listening to the lectures atleast a couple of times.

Author:  Vermette [ Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:29 am ]
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Drew416 @ June 17th 2009, 06:24 wrote:
There is no need to ask for instructor's permission if you're gonna be recording lectures as long as you keep them for personal use and don't post them on the internet or something stupid like that. You're paying so much money for education that it is unfair to deny you the ability to record lectures for review.


This is simply untrue. Professors are within their right to refuse your request to record a lecture as they hold copyright to it. The lecture is their (or, sometimes a colleague's) property.

A simple google search shows that Waterloo considers recording a lecture a non-academic offence:
http://www.secretariat.uwaterloo.ca/Policies/policy71.htm (see Section 3: Offences) Other schools have similar policies.

Now, that could be interpreted to read as "I'm allowed until the professor says otherwise, but any lecturer I've known that has dealt with a student wanting to record has invariably worded their position into the syllabus. Besides, not asking first is a jerk move. And, getting their permission to record never equates to permission to share that recording.

edit: One last thing; it you felt you don't need permission, why talk about concealing the recorder?

Author:  Dark [ Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:22 pm ]
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Author:  Dan [ Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:17 pm ]
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I have to agree with Vermette, it's neither ethical or correct that you can record lectures with out permission of the professor and/or university.

I think that if you have a good reason to need to record a lector that most professor would allow you to do so if you asked (assuming they can, there could be copy right issues). Tho i could see why some would not want students to, as it could encourage not playing atation as they would have the recording to look at for studying.

Also from experience recording CS and Math lectors is not overly use full as a lot of the content is referring to things that are being written on a white board or over a projector.

Author:  joseph2625 [ Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:58 pm ]
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I dunno... I am not even planning to have a desktop because it too will become a big distractor.. Will it be safe to do so? As Dan mentioned, I will have to live in the computer lab..


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