Ah... compsci.ca. Nevermind.
Computer Science Canada how much does compsci cost? |
| Author: | Homer_simpson [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | how much does compsci cost? |
just curious, you dont have to answer this if you dont want to... how much does compsci cost? and who pays for it? |
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| Author: | wtd [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:how much does compsci cost? |
You need a cheap computer running Linux and high-speed internet access. Shouldn't have to spend more than $500 for the computer, and $50 a month should more than cover the access. Oh, and you need a willingness to learn, but you can't buy that. |
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| Author: | jeffgreco13 [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:how much does compsci cost? |
i take it you're talking about this forum... wtd's response is ideally a lesser-of-the-best option.. there's always the option of purchasing hosting from say host-gator or somthing for no more than $40/month or so which could very well run a forum... but the limitations of running under restricted servers becomes a huge pain.. |
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| Author: | wtd [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:how much does compsci cost? |
Ah... compsci.ca. Nevermind. |
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| Author: | md [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:how much does compsci cost? |
IIRC compsci.ca runs as part of a broader collection of services dan hosts. There are (currently) two servers, and the monthly cost is slightly less then $100. I could of course be wrong though, as I am not entirely familar with the actual setup  |
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| Author: | Tony [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:how much does compsci cost? |
~$50/month for a dedicated server. We recently added a second server. md wins! Dan & I pay for it. Though the costs are offset by the ads we display. |
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| Author: | BigBear [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:how much does compsci cost? |
The ads just for guests pay $100 a month? What if you were to expose registered users would you a profit. Are the ads per click so we could all click on them to help compsci out? |
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| Author: | saltpro15 [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:how much does compsci cost? |
there's ads on here? I've never noticed any |
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| Author: | Insectoid [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:how much does compsci cost? |
Only to guests; ie log out and look around, you'll see them. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:how much does compsci cost? |
The bulk of pageviews actually comes from logged out users, so bothering you guys with ads wouldn't significantly change anything. The current setup covers the costs, as we _just_ got that second server, so we'll be fine for quite some time. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:how much does compsci cost? |
BigBear @ 20th April 2009, 3:20 pm wrote: The ads just for guests pay $100 a month? What if you were to expose registered users would you a profit.
Are the ads per click so we could all click on them to help compsci out? Don't click on the ads unless you aucatatly are interested in them. Google is touchy about false clicks or telling people to click. We try to minimize the ads to our users as we all hate ads. Also guests are more likely to click ads any way. Also the second server was payed out of my own pocket (for a year), at least in till it is more useful to compsci.ca. There are other costs then just the server too, we have to pay for the domain names (dwite.org too) and any prizes for dwite and surveys we run. Over all tho most of it is payed for threw ads and i try to keep a reserve amount so if the ads ever went away we would have several months worth of revenue to use to pay the server bill. To date Tony and myself have not made anything from the site or taken any of the ad revenue for our self and our only real befit from running this is free use of the compsci.ca server for hosting our personal files and projects. |
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| Author: | BigBear [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:how much does compsci cost? |
So it is just if you click on the ads? Can't you say x amount of users were exposed to them. Don't they check? Sort of like tv you pay so you ads is seen by all those people they don't have to call the phone number or visit the website. If this is the case I wouldn't mind having a few banner ads if I knew it would make compsci and dwite better seeing as you guys are not doing it for profit. How does ad block programs like Ad Block Plus then the user isn't exposed to it and the advertising thinks they are? |
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| Author: | Insectoid [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:how much does compsci cost? |
It's done electronically (I assume). Every time the add is clicked, it sends a signal to the host server to add to a tally. I think. |
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| Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:how much does compsci cost? |
How would programs like NoScript affect ad revenue? |
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| Author: | Tony [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:how much does compsci cost? |
AdSense serves redirect links, so every click hits Google servers first, recording the click. NoScript makes JavaScript ads not appear -- no clicks == no revenue. Though the kind of people running NoScript will likely not be clicking on ads anyway, so I doubt there's any significant impact. |
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| Author: | BigBear [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:how much does compsci cost? |
So there is only pay per click ads? |
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| Author: | Tony [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:how much does compsci cost? |
There's also a donate button on the index page. |
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| Author: | BigBear [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:how much does compsci cost? |
Tony @ Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:38 pm wrote: There's also a donate button on the index page.
But that money has to come from my pocket and not from google |
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| Author: | md [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:how much does compsci cost? |
BigBear @ 2009-04-20, 4:48 pm wrote: Tony @ Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:38 pm wrote: There's also a donate button on the index page.
But that money has to come from my pocket and not from google There is no way of making other people give money to compsci.ca. |
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| Author: | Homer_simpson [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: how much does compsci cost? |
alright, got my answer. thank you to tony and dan  . it's been nice to have compsci around all these years  |
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| Author: | BigBear [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:how much does compsci cost? |
I am still wondering if there are ads which pay by exposure to them not by clicking on them |
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| Author: | Tony [ Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:how much does compsci cost? |
yes and no. CPM on its own is fairly outdated, although you could sell ads for a flat-rate for a period of time, and you could use average views to adjust your pricing model. |
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| Author: | jeffgreco13 [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:how much does compsci cost? |
do you guys not charge a small entry fee for dwite? judging by the interest you're getting across canada and the number of teams you get to join... you could throw in say a $10 - $20 signup fee. That could offset the costs of running dwite and compsci at the same time without having to shut the other down during test time  |
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| Author: | Dan [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:how much does compsci cost? |
jeffgreco13 @ 22nd April 2009, 1:25 am wrote: do you guys not charge a small entry fee for dwite?
judging by the interest you're getting across canada and the number of teams you get to join... you could throw in say a $10 - $20 signup fee. That could offset the costs of running dwite and compsci at the same time without having to shut the other down during test time DWITE is meant to be a free contest for practicing for the CCC and other contests so there are no plans to charge anything to take it or singup for it and that is unlikely to change any time soon. Tho we have considered doing other contests using the same technology or offering the technology for a fee as a service to other groups but nothing has come of that yet. Once i get the 2nd server working it is unlikey there will be down time for DWITE contests in the future. |
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| Author: | Insectoid [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:how much does compsci cost? |
If Dan charged entry for DWIGHT, I'd guess there would be far less interest in the contest. I know I wouldn't do it if it costed money. |
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| Author: | BigBear [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:how much does compsci cost? |
Tony @ Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:43 pm wrote: yes and no. CPM on its own is fairly outdated, although you could sell ads for a flat-rate for a period of time, and you could use average views to adjust your pricing model.
What about those commercial like ads you must watch before playing a game or downloading etc |
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| Author: | Tony [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:how much does compsci cost? |
I don't know about that. I know of a guy who produced a season of webcast show http://www.byteclub.tv/ He was trying to sell pre-roll / post-roll ad slots at flat-rate, though I don't think that turned out well. It seems that right now the show has been ported to an online broadcast network with it's own ads sales team, but even then the videos just run with in-video popup "click this link" type of ads. The thing about CPM is that it's difficult to make a sale, and it's very easy to take advantage of. A good tech article will hit Digg+Reddit+Slashdot+StumbleUpon for a flash traffic of 100,000 views, and no-one will click on any ads. That's why CPA model made AdWords so popular -- advertisers are essentially buying targeted traffic, not views of unqualified people (as in showing ads to people who would not be interested in the product/service). |
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| Author: | BigBear [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:how much does compsci cost? |
Tony @ Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:39 pm wrote: That's why CPA model made AdWords so popular -- advertisers are essentially buying targeted traffic, not views of unqualified people (as in showing ads to people who would not be interested in the product/service).
Which is what facebook does? |
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| Author: | Tony [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:how much does compsci cost? |
It has to, Facebook users wouldn't click on ads anyway. I think Facebook has recently admitted it's failure at generating any (substantial) ad-driven revenue. At any rate, the current version of the website is so heavily AJEX~ified, they've cut their ad-views down to a fraction of what it used to be. |
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| Author: | BigBear [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:how much does compsci cost? |
I still think there is a lot of add on ffacebook and that the website makes a lot of money right? Don't they sell ad spot at high prices because they say the people they show the ads will appeal to? |
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| Author: | Tony [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:how much does compsci cost? |
well yeah, simply by the virtue of Facebook being a massive website. Though Facebook finances are still in the red (loosing money), and I've read some reports that advertising on Facebook is a massive failure. Still, Facebook can sell those sponsored "hey look, a brand!" slots and with no tangible way of measuring ad's impact, they will continue to be served. |
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| Author: | Zren [ Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:how much does compsci cost? |
BigBear @ Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:09 pm wrote: I still think there is a lot of add on ffacebook and that the website makes a lot of money right?
Don't they sell ad spot at high prices because they say the people they show the ads will appeal to? Most of the ads people see come from the applications. I think that money only goes to the developers (of ced application)...not sure but that's what I'd assume. Unless facebook is the one making some of the more used applications. |
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| Author: | corriep [ Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:how much does compsci cost? |
how much (on average) do you guys get from the ads per month? |
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| Author: | Tony [ Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:how much does compsci cost? |
Well we've mentioned how much we pay for servers, and the fact that ads cover those costs. It's not much more than that. It's against AdSense ToS to talk about exact figures, but you can figure out "on average" from this thread. |
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