wow....this is pretty cool.....I didn't think about adding the thinking to my chess game...thanks
Computer Science Canada This is for all of you chess/visual effects lovers |
| Author: | ecookman [ Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:51 pm ] |
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upon the vast pit of the internet i found a cool chess game that shows you the computer is thinking. It does this by lines Yes I know, sounds retarted, but if you like chess and cool visual effects, http://turbulence.org/spotlight/thinking/chess.html (hint: the computers next move and a good next move for you is represented by the biggest/brightest line)[/url] |
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| Author: | A.J [ Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:53 pm ] |
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wow....this is pretty cool.....I didn't think about adding the thinking to my chess game...thanks |
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| Author: | Insectoid [ Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:02 pm ] |
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Wow, That IS cool. It shows just how the computer decides which move to make. That is excellent! |
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| Author: | ecookman [ Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:21 pm ] |
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and addictive... my friend won't shutup about it lol |
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| Author: | andrew. [ Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:30 pm ] |
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I suck at chess, but that is really cool. Maybe watching the computer will help me develop my strategies... |
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| Author: | ecookman [ Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:08 am ] |
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lol i have been playing chess since i was like 6. (and for all lof you wondering i have a life) if you are intrested in learning i am sure there is a "For Dummies" book out there. Also there is tonnes of stuff on how to play chess on the internet. (surprisingly there is a www.chess.com from there this looks like a good teacher http://www.chess.com/chessmentor/) |
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| Author: | Insectoid [ Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:53 pm ] |
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Actually, I own 'Chess for Dummies'. I figure I'm too dummy for even that book though, 'cause I still suck at it. |
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| Author: | ecookman [ Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:31 pm ] |
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well, once you get the basics, the rest is trying to figure out other people's moves. |
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| Author: | andrew. [ Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:37 pm ] |
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I understand the game and everything, it's just I'm so bad at planning ahead and predicting moves. |
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| Author: | [Gandalf] [ Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:02 pm ] |
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That program is pretty darn old, but still pretty interesting. 
ecookman @ 2009-02-18, 3:31 pm wrote: well, once you get the basics, the rest is trying to figure out other people's moves.
Not really, what you're talking about is 'tactics', while there's the flip side, strategy and position that also requires learning and experience. |
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| Author: | A.J [ Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:22 pm ] |
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Well, you must first be sound in tactics to move on to strategy....if you are a beginner, try becoming good with tactics first (play, play and more playing should do the trick!). Strategy comes after tactics...so don't try jumping ahead too much, as most people who say :"Oh, you must look at the position, and come up with a strategy.." are all probably experts, or wannabe experts (in the bad way:D) |
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| Author: | [Gandalf] [ Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:49 pm ] |
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Well, not quite. If you have good positional knowledge, your tactics will be more accurate and you'll come up with beneficial tactics easier (better opportunities come from better positions). Though I agree that you must first try to avoid making any huge blunders. |
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| Author: | A.J [ Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:02 pm ] |
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[quote="[Gandalf]"] Well, not quite. If you have good positional knowledge, your tactics will be more accurate and you'll come up with beneficial tactics easier (better opportunities come from better positions). Though I agree that you must first try to avoid making any huge blunders. [/quote] well, I believe that is it key to have good tactics first (i.e. like you said, avoid blunders, notice good moves, etc...). so, I take it that you are either an expert or a wannabe  |
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| Author: | [Gandalf] [ Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:08 pm ] |
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A.J @ 2009-02-18, 7:02 pm wrote: so, I take it that you are either an expert or a wannabe
Didn't you read what I said? Tactics and positional elements are very correlated. If your tactics are horrible you'll never get into a winning position, and if you're positional play is terrible you won't get any helpful tactics. Strategy might be a bit different from positional play, however it is also closely connected to tactics. |
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| Author: | A.J [ Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:18 pm ] |
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I don't argue with you there...in fact, I agree with you wholeheartedly maybe we have different understandings of the word 'tactics', but I feel that (although tactics is correlated with positional elements), that tactics are essential to the making of a good chess player at the initial stages... by tactics, I mean basic concepts like discovered attacks, defending a piece, pins, forks, etc.....I believe so not only because that a player requires these skills, but also more importantly so that a player can prevent the opponent from using them against him.. and sorry about the 'expert or wannabe' thing...it was meant to be a joke, sry  |
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| Author: | [Gandalf] [ Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:29 pm ] |
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I agree with all of that, that is what tactics are. Moreover, I wanted to point out that one should not be developed in complete seclusion from the other, that would just be slowing yourself down. |
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| Author: | A.J [ Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:31 pm ] |
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I agree
you know, we should play sometimes  |
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| Author: | ecookman [ Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:59 pm ] |
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well I have do disagree with you all i have no tactics. I am just good at analyzing what other people are doing and then counteract their moves, or just moving ahead of them. Or do you consider that a tactic? |
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| Author: | A.J [ Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:03 pm ] |
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ecookman wrote: well I have do disagree with you all i have no tactics. I am just good at analyzing what other people are doing and then counteract their moves, or just moving ahead of them. Or do you consider that a tactic? well, how can you 'analyze what other people are doing' without knowing tactics...its like learning to sing without knowing how to talk (sry, this isn't a very good analogy )
I am pretty sure you know some tactics without realizing it. And one cannot rate himself on how 'good' he analyzes a position...a position can be analyzed so many different ways...it all depends on the situation. So, you are smarter than you think ecookman ! |
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| Author: | ecookman [ Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:07 am ] |
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Quote: its like learning to sing without knowing how to talk (sry, this isn't a very good analogy
)lol would yodleing count... (lol sorry i couldn't help my self) Quote: I am pretty sure you know some tactics without realizing it
what would you consider a tactic? Quote: So, you are smarter than you think ecookman !
lol now that is too much credit |
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| Author: | A.J [ Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:49 am ] |
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A.J wrote: by tactics, I mean basic concepts like discovered attacks, defending a piece, pins, forks, etc..... so...those that I listed above can be considered as tactics.. and I am serious, you are smarter than you think you are  ...don't put yourself down  |
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| Author: | ecookman [ Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:53 pm ] |
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lol thanks |
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| Author: | matt271 [ Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:26 pm ] |
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wow thats pretty cool. so thats how a comp ai does chess? just brute force it? i thought it was more intelligent then that |
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| Author: | DanielG [ Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:03 pm ] |
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it uses heuristics as well to logically think if a move is worth doing. Many of the more well known chess AIs also use a stored openings library which it just references until they are useless (out of opening or opponent uses a wierd variant). |
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| Author: | A.J [ Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:37 pm ] |
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DanielG wrote: it uses heuristics as well to logically think if a move is worth doing. Many of the more well known chess AIs also use a stored openings library which it just references until they are useless (out of opening or opponent uses a wierd variant). Additionally, Chess AI's usually involves pruning the possible moves that can be made, and then recursing through a smaller number of moves. A very famous example is the Alpha-Beta pruning algorithm, that does exactly that. In fact, DanielG and I are trying to make a chess game in about 2 months (which will be a challenge, as we both have tonnes of other summatives as well as AP exams to worry about), and the AI will most probably involve Alpha Beta pruning with DFSID (Depth First Search with Iterative Deepening). The 3D graphics might be hard (depending on what format our models are in). (Sorry for the off topic-ness at the end) |
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| Author: | BigBear [ Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:06 pm ] |
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Do you think it takes in all possibilities? |
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| Author: | [Gandalf] [ Mon Apr 06, 2009 3:40 pm ] |
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Probably not. Unless you prune a good portion of the moves, your game tree will grow unmanageably. The key to making a strong search is finding a balance between not missing any important combinations and searching deeply enough. Having a good evaluation function also helps to ensure that you aren't pruning any good moves. |
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| Author: | BigBear [ Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:13 pm ] |
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Well Vista's Chess Titans on difficulty 10 takes forever to move, so I don't see why anyone would play that. |
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