Or you can take the "easy" way out of getting XP.
Computer Science Canada Last day to get XP. |
| Author: | btiffin [ Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Last day to get XP. |
From now on (once stock is gone), if you want XP, you'll have to buy Vista and take the optional upgrade back to XP path. Reminds me of this "up from the engineers through management" story; A low level manager shows his team a project plan that came from the top. After a short period of analysis, the engineers report back; "It's shit and it stinks". The manager goes to his boss, and being management, reports; "It is like manure with a very strong odour, such that none may abide by it". This middle manager goes to the board to report on their plan; "It is powerful and promotes growth!". So the project was implemented. Cheers |
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| Author: | michaelp [ Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Last day to get XP. |
Or you can take the "easy" way out of getting XP. |
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| Author: | rdrake [ Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Last day to get XP. |
So long, farewell, you will not be missed. You have had a long run and it's time to rest. |
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| Author: | gitoxa [ Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Last day to get XP. |
Put to rest so Vista can take over ? I fail to see why it won't be missed. Yes, most people that care enough to get a good, stable OS are probably not using Windows, but for the rest of us, I'd take XP over Vista anyday. |
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| Author: | rdrake [ Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:Last day to get XP. |
gitoxa @ Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:13 pm wrote: Put to rest so Vista can take over ? I fail to see why it won't be missed. Yes, most people that care enough to get a good, stable OS are probably not using Windows, but for the rest of us, I'd take XP over Vista anyday. Does anybody ever have a good reason for this? XP is a dead OS, it's had its time. Really, I'd love some real reasons for using XP over Vista. |
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| Author: | [Gandalf] [ Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:Last day to get XP. |
rdrake @ 2008-07-01, 11:25 pm wrote: Does anybody ever have a good reason for this? XP is a dead OS, it's had its time. Really, I'd love some real reasons for using XP over Vista.
I haven't tried Vista (and won't in the near future) but from what I've heard... It still lacks support for many (some?) programs and drivers. It uses more resources than XP. It expands on many things which I originally hated in XP such as ugly themes, pointless toolbars/icons/programs. Also, what's with all the different releases? Was there any real difference between Windows XP Professional, Home, Media Center, etc? Windows is usually good for gaming, Vista is not. At least, not where it hasn't been forced onto people (ie. DirectX 10) |
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| Author: | rdrake [ Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:Last day to get XP. |
Gandalf @ Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:01 am wrote: rdrake @ 2008-07-01, 11:25 pm wrote: Does anybody ever have a good reason for this? XP is a dead OS, it's had its time. Really, I'd love some real reasons for using XP over Vista.
I haven't tried Vista (and won't in the near future) but from what I've heard... It still lacks support for many (some?) programs and drivers. It uses more resources than XP. It expands on many things which I originally hated in XP such as ugly themes, pointless toolbars/icons/programs. Also, what's with all the different releases? Was there any real difference between Windows XP Professional, Home, Media Center, etc? Windows is usually good for gaming, Vista is not. At least, not where it hasn't been forced onto people (ie. DirectX 10) Vista auto-detected and installed drivers for all my peripherals, I have yet to come across a program that does not work with it. The only programs that don't work well are the ones which weren't written properly in the first place. Even obscure hardware I have had drivers found. Anecdotal evidence on both our sides .
I don't understand the different releases, this is one dumb thing about Vista. And yes, it's a bit bloated when compared to XP. Though space is a lot cheaper, so I honestly don't care if it's larger or not. Vista works well enough for gaming from what I've seen. The initial drivers were crap, but they're on par with XP now, so that's yet another myth about Vista people still have. |
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| Author: | wtd [ Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Last day to get XP. |
"Vista sucks" (whether true or no) doesn't make XP any better. That is a ridiculous meme that's simply been repeated so often that it is accepted as true. |
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| Author: | [Gandalf] [ Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Last day to get XP. |
Alright, I guess I can't say much without trying it, but I think I'll wait it out for a little while yet. Besides, I use too much Windows already, and I still haven't updated to FireFox 3.  |
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| Author: | r691175002 [ Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Last day to get XP. |
I use both at the moment, and would take vista any day. The majority of criticism for vista is just run of the mill baseless anti-microsoft fluff. |
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| Author: | rizzix [ Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Last day to get XP. |
I'm using Vista, I can say that my XP runs faster on a older/slower hardware than my Vista, which runs on newer/fancier hardware. |
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| Author: | DemonWasp [ Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Last day to get XP. |
I tried Vista for 3 days (it came with my laptop). I have to say that a lot of things seemed better (security, admin tools, etc), but that those don't redeem it. Startup times on the same laptop were halved by installing XP and Ubuntu. Under Vista, the high-powered machine was struggling to manage to bring up windows, but it flies under either XP or Ubuntu. This isn't to say that XP isn't a toy operating system, but at least it'll run. Note: not a slow laptop. Core2 Duo, 2GB DDR2, reasonable graphics card. Shouldn't have any trouble running an operating system and an application or two...but it did in Vista. |
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| Author: | wtd [ Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Last day to get XP. |
Working with laptops running Vista at work all the time, I can verify DemonWasp's experience. A laptop with a 2.1GHz C2D and 3GB of RAM should not struggle to accomplish simple tasks. A coworker has a Sony TZ160. Not a powerhouse, but it's orders of magnitude more snappy and responsive running XP, Ubuntu or Leopard (yes, he went the hackintosh route). |
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| Author: | Euphoracle [ Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Last day to get XP. |
Most of the disliked features in Vista can be disabled; most of the problems have been addressed. I just don't use it because I don't want to spend the money for it. XP is still fine. |
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| Author: | DemonWasp [ Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Last day to get XP. |
Also worth noting is battery life. Under Vista, the machine had about 3 hours of battery life. Not bad, eh? Well, under Ubuntu and XP I can get 5 hours easily. |
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| Author: | r691175002 [ Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:Last day to get XP. |
DemonWasp @ Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:56 pm wrote: Also worth noting is battery life. Under Vista, the machine had about 3 hours of battery life. Not bad, eh?
Well, under Ubuntu and XP I can get 5 hours easily. Is this with aero disabled and power saver mode on? |
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| Author: | rdrake [ Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:Last day to get XP. |
DemonWasp @ Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:56 pm wrote: Also worth noting is battery life. Under Vista, the machine had about 3 hours of battery life. Not bad, eh?
Turn off aero.
Well, under Ubuntu and XP I can get 5 hours easily. Also, Ubuntu completely rapes my battery when I use it on the laptop. Doesn't matter what I do, even powertop cannot help me. |
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| Author: | DemonWasp [ Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Last day to get XP. |
@r69... : No, I was too lazy to actually test that. Compiz in Ubuntu has fairly minimal effect on the battery, so there's little reason for Aero to do anything of the sort. I understand the whole "it uses the graphics card" thing, but it doesn't need to turn it up to full power to accomplish a simple window-fade effect. I wasn't using anything that should have required 3d capabilities. @rdrake: That's a nice thought but I already removed it. 100GB hdd = no way I'm installing Vista. Your issues with Ubuntu are strange; the only ones I've had were (of course) wireless, and the disk drive parking too frequently. |
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| Author: | Zeroth [ Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Last day to get XP. |
This may be why Vista is really bad for your battery. Its not the graphics, its the 50 authentication layers that any data has to go through: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/02/drm_in_windows_1.html I also remember seeing a presentation floating around, that shows pretty well why vista works the way it does... and why thats a stupid way to do things. |
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| Author: | Insectoid [ Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Last day to get XP. |
Wow...That's what's causing the slowness? I think I might try Linux or Unix or Ubuntu when I finally get a laptop. |
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| Author: | rizzix [ Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Last day to get XP. |
The most annoying feature of Vista is the (poor implementation of) asyc-io. Copying files over the LAN is slow as hell. Sometimes it even drops connections. Actually all the time! |
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| Author: | rdrake [ Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Last day to get XP. |
I've never had a problem with copying files over the LAN, probably your hardware. The most annoying feature of Vista for me is when it randomly decides it's going to take an hour to copy a few MB worth of files. Seriously, what's up with that? |
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| Author: | rizzix [ Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Last day to get XP. |
That's the async io, crap. I have that problem but over the LAN. My workaround is to NOT use explorer for any copying operations (hence this is not a hardware issue). |
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| Author: | Aziz [ Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Last day to get XP. |
insectoid, you will Linux, but you will remain with Vista ... you simply can't give it up, and most newer machines don't have XP-compatible hardware, or it's hard to find drivers. The biggest thing I hate about vista is the resource hog it is. XP is a great system, but there's was a lot of things wrong with it, too. I like the windows explorer functionality and start menu. I just don't like the looks of Vista. The thick borders, glossyness, etc. And "Classic" mode looks ugly. If I could revert back to the grey, square UI I know and love and use in XP, I would. Vista also has it's many annoyances - but XP has just as many. Windows pisses me off in general, but I simply can't switch to Linux full time, mostly due to games and certain apps like Visual Studio (haven't tried it in Wine) |
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| Author: | rizzix [ Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Last day to get XP. |
Another pathetic thing about Vista, is that they broke webdav -- they call this feature webfolders. I used to use that quite a bit. Anyway, I got this fixed by downloading some special fix from M$ website. I have no idea why they don't include this in the "windows update." |
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| Author: | Bored [ Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Last day to get XP. |
I just recently (today) got my first Vista computer. It runs pretty well so far, I've almost got everything set-up and copied over. All the programs I want and such. I removed a lot of the uneeded "fluff" that came with the system and it runs very quickly. Now I havn't used it enough to make a fair judgement but I can say that Vista so far for me has run great. |
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| Author: | andrew. [ Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:Last day to get XP. |
Gandalf @ Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:01 am wrote: It still lacks support for many (some?) programs and drivers.
From my experience (using the betas, release candidate, and Home Premium), I can say that there is better driver support in Vista than in XP especially after the SP1 update. I think SP1 saved Vista because it added so many stability and security features. Gandalf @ Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:01 am wrote: It uses more resources than XP.
While this is true, I think that Aero uses less CPU power than Compiz Fusion (at least on my computer). In Linux with Compiz Fusion turned on, I can barely watch YouTube videos, even with the most basic of features enabled. In Vista, I can watch multiple videos at once with no slow down. Maybe it's the crappy ATI support for Linux that causes this, but it looks like Windows Aero uses less GPU and CPU cycles to me. Gandalf @ Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:01 am wrote: Also, what's with all the different releases? Was there any real difference between Windows XP Professional, Home, Media Center, etc?
I hear you on this one. It seems as though everything is going multiple SKU. Look at the XBOX 360, PS3, and Windows. Each have like 4 versions at least. It gets annoying and makes me have to do more research to find which is right for me. Gandalf @ Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:01 am wrote: Windows is usually good for gaming, Vista is not. At least, not where it hasn't been forced onto people (ie. DirectX 10) I personally think that gaming on Vista has little performance hit. And I have yet to hear of a game that is DirectX 10 exclusive. It looks like gamers have a choice and most PC gamers already have a DX10 capable card (anything from the 8 series and up is DX10 capable). |
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