even if they weren't, you can't put together a modern motherboard by hand. As jernst said -- use a breadboard for a very basic chipset. Isolated wires are "layered"
Computer Science Canada basic build your own motherboard |
| Author: | shadowman544 [ Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | basic build your own motherboard |
does anyone have a link to a build your own motherboard site? It is a task I have wanted to undertake for a while but until now I have not had the funding. |
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| Author: | apomb [ Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:basic build your own motherboard |
I'm going to assume you mean assemble a computer with individual parts...and not actually build your own motherboard, because that would be silly. NCIX is awesome, based out of British columbia i believe, free ground shipping to anywhere in Canada on most products. |
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| Author: | jernst [ Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: basic build your own motherboard |
it would be sweet to try and "build your own" motherboard using breadboard such, ive seen a few pictures of them on the net but its definitely way too complicated for me still. |
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| Author: | tenniscrazy [ Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:basic build your own motherboard |
that would be pretty intense, buy like all the individual chips and use like a plasma whatchit to put it all together...sick Edit: but wait, are motherboards layered, or is that just chips? |
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| Author: | Tony [ Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:basic build your own motherboard |
even if they weren't, you can't put together a modern motherboard by hand. As jernst said -- use a breadboard for a very basic chipset. Isolated wires are "layered" |
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| Author: | tenniscrazy [ Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:basic build your own motherboard |
aha...it would be cool to try and build one if you were like hardcore into the engineering of computers. Even if it was like giant-sized |
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| Author: | StealthArcher [ Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:basic build your own motherboard |
I suppose by my third or fourth year I could attempt it, I'm going into Comp. Eng. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:basic build your own motherboard |
It's aucatly not as hard or expensive to make silcon bords (not sure what there name is) as some might think. The high school i went to in grade 12 had the ablity to draw up a circutle board on a computer and then manufcator it by printing it on a light senstive board, exposing it to intense uv light, then dumping it in an acid tank. It deftaly was not even close tot he qaulity of boards you see in computers but it worked if you could mange to soder everything on it in the small space. It would probly cost you a few thounsad for the same equipment and more for suplies to make the bords. The hard part would be desinging it, you would need alot of computer engering and/or elertical engering knowalge. Then even if you manged to make a desing, have the money for all the chips, soder them all on and get it working you would still need to program alot of the chips in a low level langue like aseembly. It would be a masive under taking and you would need alot of knowalge to pull it off but i think it is at leat posible. |
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| Author: | Aziz [ Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:30 am ] |
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You very likely could likely have a company print the boards for you though  |
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| Author: | tenniscrazy [ Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:basic build your own motherboard |
man, that is definitely very cool. If I go into engineering and ever have the extra money lying around i just might try it, just for the fun of it. |
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| Author: | rizzix [ Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:basic build your own motherboard |
I'm sure you'll find more interesting (and less frustrating) things to do than creating a motherboard. |
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| Author: | Aziz [ Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:basic build your own motherboard |
Like that thing those kids are doing in the states where they throw tennis balls at each other's crotches. Probably funner than building a motherboard. |
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| Author: | jernst [ Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:basic build your own motherboard |
Tony @ Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:02 pm wrote: even if they weren't, you can't put together a modern motherboard by hand. As jernst said -- use a breadboard for a very basic chipset. Isolated wires are "layered"
yeah the one i saw pictures of was something ancient and probably a reduced instruction set or something, i can't even imagine doing anything modern in that way |
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| Author: | jernst [ Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:37 pm ] |
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tenniscrazy @ Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:05 pm wrote: man, that is definitely very cool. If I go into engineering and ever have the extra money lying around i just might try it, just for the fun of it.
If your really into that kind of stuff you might be interested into reading a bit about systems-on-chip, field programmable gate arrays (FPGAs) and networks-on-chip in the future... they're kind of the whole package condensed down into a single chip. Seems kind of related and I'm kind of involved in some research in that area so I thought I'd give a shameless plug for it haha |
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| Author: | apomb [ Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:basic build your own motherboard |
At school, we printed our own motherboards, not for anything near as complex as an entire computer though, just basically a board to mount a logic analyzer chip, sine wave generator,logic probe, switches, l.e.d.s, etc. |
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| Author: | Aziz [ Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:basic build your own motherboard |
We used breadboards. Win. |
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| Author: | jernst [ Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: basic build your own motherboard |
Heres a link to one of the pictures from wikipedia, its an m68k processors (used in older macs, palm pilots and other old stuff) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:68k_ttl.jpg |
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| Author: | r691175002 [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: basic build your own motherboard |
Printing out a PCB for a motherboard will be a lot more complicated then just etching with photosensitive resist using a hobby kit. Most motherboards are 8-16 layers with detail far surpassing that which can be achieved with hobbyist level etching. |
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| Author: | andrew. [ Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:basic build your own motherboard |
Building a motherboard is hard work. It's much easier (and probably cheaper in the long run) to go to TigerDirect.ca ot NCIX.com and buy a motherboard. |
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| Author: | apomb [ Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:basic build your own motherboard |
in the long run? how about overall and without a doubt it would be cheaper to do so... in order to manufacture a real motherboard one would need the equipment to do so, which costs significantly more than a single motherboard from NCIX or Tiger direct |
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| Author: | c6burns [ Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:basic build your own motherboard |
apomb @ Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:49 pm wrote: I'm going to assume you mean assemble a computer with individual parts...and not actually build your own motherboard, because that would be silly.
Yeah how silly of me 
Access to AMD Reference Design Kits: Free w/ registration Zenbot CNC Machine w/ stepper motors: 650$ Stepper Driver + Power Supply: 250$ Soldering Iron + Hot air rework station: 180$ 1) Find a design 2) Mill a PCB 3) Solder surface and thru hole components to it 4) Wonder why you didnt buy a motherboard from tigerdirect  |
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| Author: | apomb [ Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:basic build your own motherboard |
where is the cost of the components? |
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| Author: | c6burns [ Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:basic build your own motherboard |
apomb @ Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:52 pm wrote: where is the cost of the components?
Ill cost your components if you want. Send me your part list |
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| Author: | Tony [ Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:basic build your own motherboard |
c6burns, I think you are under-estimating just how large you'd have to scale the design to be able to solder the individual connections by hand. And while you can certainly scale the board, and find larger versions of the components (as in models that have their connections further apart), that might not be an option for all of the chips. |
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| Author: | c6burns [ Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: basic build your own motherboard |
http://developer.amd.com If you are serious about building your own board, AMD wants to help you. Intel used to have a great developer network as well, but I don't use their chips now so I cant comment. I'm using the Geode LX RDK for my board. They have RDKs for opteron storage blades if ur that hardcore. Or geode thin client. Or basically anything. You'll know if this is project you care to tackle by signing up for the developer network and reading through some of the RDKs. If its all greek then you must buy a motherboard. And generally if you are not involved in a production run of your design this is what you will do. I build SBCs but i bought my server mobo from Tyan  |
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| Author: | c6burns [ Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:basic build your own motherboard |
Tony @ Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:03 am wrote: c6burns, I think you are under-estimating just how large you'd have to scale the design to be able to solder the individual connections by hand.
Id have to respectfully disagree. This well spoken young man can teach you how to surface mount solder: http://youtube.com/watch?v=3NN7UGWYmBY |
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| Author: | Tony [ Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:basic build your own motherboard |
I stand corrected. That is quite impressive. +karma |
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| Author: | r691175002 [ Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:basic build your own motherboard |
c6burns @ Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:40 pm wrote: Access to AMD Reference Design Kits: Free w/ registration
Zenbot CNC Machine w/ stepper motors: 650$ Stepper Driver + Power Supply: 250$ 2) Mill a PCB You aren't gonna be able to mill a 10 layer board with buried vias. I suspect that in every case it will be cheaper to buy a circuit board (And it will still run into the mid-high hundreds or higher if you are buying only one). |
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| Author: | Dan [ Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:basic build your own motherboard |
Well if you think you can pull it off c6burns then do it, just rember to take lots of pics and videos to show us (or to let us see the mess you make :p). |
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| Author: | c6burns [ Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:basic build your own motherboard |
r691175002 @ Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:31 am wrote: You aren't gonna be able to mill a 10 layer board with buried vias. I suspect that in every case it will be cheaper to buy a circuit board (And it will still run into the mid-high hundreds or higher if you are buying only one). You would need access to a press to combine PCB layers after milling. Substitute controlled depth drilling and blind vias where possible  I use SoCs and my designs are only for smaller embedded systems. So yes a modern motherboard is a stretch, I admit that.
Of course sending your CAD to a high end shop also works (if in addition you send alot of money). I wish I had good advice on a shop for limited quantity runs, but I dont know any in Canada. Thus I own a milling machine :/ |
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