Computer Science Canada Visual Turing!? |
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Wed May 14, 2008 7:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Visual Turing!? |
I can up with this idea for a new turing project... What if I were to come up with a form creator similar to that of visual basic, and have it hardcode the form into a turing file that can be imported (or copy + pasted) into your programme? So what I mean is: you create the visual look of your form (buttons, pics, etc), then when you save it would hardcode it into a turing file that can either be called or copy and pasted into the programme you want.. This would be particularly useful for making menus. I thought about the creativity and flexibility of it, so it will be using my custom GUI package I made here Tell me what you guys think, and let me know if you come up with any ideas |,,| (?_?) |,,| |
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Wed May 14, 2008 7:09 am ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
lmao, it put '?' where it was supposed to be a degrees symbol |
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Wed May 14, 2008 7:12 am ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
btw the gui package has been much updated since then... When I get the chance I'll post a screenshot of it and of the project whe I have some progress. |
Author: | Mackie [ Wed May 14, 2008 7:14 am ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
Not necessary in Turing's current state. Maybe if we had OpenT done. |
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Wed May 14, 2008 7:20 am ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
It gives me something to do. I'm not trying to imply that turing's GUI is difficult to use; just that I have some friends that use vb and started turing but are still in VB denial. I thought of this when I was trying to teach them... But nonetheless this programme would be nice if you wanted to create a more of a form based programme (as in not so game like) in turing. |
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Wed May 14, 2008 9:45 am ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
I meant to say VB withdrawal, not denial... I just couldn't think of the word |
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Tue May 20, 2008 10:18 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Visual Turing!? |
Here it is! I have the first preview of my programme! It will still be a while untill I post it, because making a non-object oriented programming language object- oriented does take alot. But once I post this version other versions will come out faster, as I will have the template done. Ideas, comments, questions welcome |
Author: | Mackie [ Tue May 20, 2008 1:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
Does it work? Can you post some code? |
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Tue May 20, 2008 3:01 pm ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
Yes, I spent about half a year making an effective coding for custom GUI - so this programme is just an expantion of that. I'm sorry I can't post the code quite yet, but on my first official release of this programme I will post the GUI code (not the form editor code, maybe later). But if you want to see if it really works - I will post a demo hopefully soon. |
Author: | apomb [ Tue May 20, 2008 3:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
I sense some grade-A bullplop... but who knows. |
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Wed May 21, 2008 7:08 am ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
why thank you for the early praise I guess... I certainly think it is, it's up to you guys to properly judge it... |
Author: | apomb [ Wed May 21, 2008 7:38 am ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
We cant judge something we cant see/use... and im not sure you read my post very well last time :S |
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Wed May 21, 2008 9:56 am ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
lol, anywho liek I said - a demo version will be out hopefully soon. Maybe a week? 2? somewhere around those lines I hope - school does get busy these days... |
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Wed May 21, 2008 9:59 am ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
accually now that I think about it - you can see an eary demo I made of the GUI (the link is on my first post on this thread). Let me know what you think of it... I know there are still some minor stuff I need to fix, but they should be easy |
Author: | Zren [ Wed May 21, 2008 5:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Visual Turing!? |
How'd you get the Windows GUI into turing. Did you honnestly rip up every single image a apply them into the window. I'm with apomp on this being fishylike. Quote: Yes, I spent about half a year making an effective coding for custom GUI
Holy Crap, how large is this thing... |
Author: | apomb [ Wed May 21, 2008 10:42 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Visual Turing!? |
Zren @ Wed May 21, 2008 5:11 pm wrote: How'd you get the Windows GUI into turing. Did you honnestly rip up every single image a apply them into the window. I'm with apomp on this being fishylike.
Quote: Yes, I spent about half a year making an effective coding for custom GUI
Holy Crap, how large is this thing... exactly, and if you have been "coding" it for half a year, why cant you just show a snippet of that code? thats all we ask. not to steal it, not to copyright infringe it, just to see what kind of effort would go into making such a thing. |
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Thu May 22, 2008 6:44 am ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
It's accually not Windows' GUI at all, I made this from scratch. The reason it was taking so long to make was I did most of the graphics using RGB and drawline - the only outside images I use are corner pieces (and some side pieces) as you can see in the pics folder (I got those images from printscreen). And by Large, what do you mean? Space size? It shouldn't be too big because I'm not using images for too much... |
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Thu May 22, 2008 6:45 am ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
OK, I'll post some code sometime today... |
Author: | Sean [ Thu May 22, 2008 7:00 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Visual Turing!? |
We will all be waiting for the code. Hurry up with it |
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Thu May 22, 2008 7:14 am ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: Visual Turing!? | ||
lol, here is a sample...
|
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Thu May 22, 2008 7:16 am ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
Have fun with that... sorry the formating (indenting) got messed up when I posted it... |
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Fri May 23, 2008 7:04 am ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
Annnddddddd????????????? |
Author: | Mackie [ Fri May 23, 2008 7:06 am ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
It doesn't work. |
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Fri May 23, 2008 7:08 am ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
ANOUNCEMENT: I have made amazing progress and the demo will be relaeased in under a week - most likely sooner. |
Author: | nastynika [ Fri May 23, 2008 8:14 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Visual Turing!? |
the sample that u posted doesnt work i got 21 errors and 1 warning lol |
Author: | apomb [ Fri May 23, 2008 8:19 am ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
not only does the code not work, the MASS amounts of double/triple posts is underwhelming. I vote to call this poster a troll. |
Author: | nastynika [ Fri May 23, 2008 8:33 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Visual Turing!? |
well he has triple posted at least once |
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Fri May 23, 2008 9:45 am ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
Triple posted? Where? What are you talking about? And as I said - SOME OF THE STUFF USES IMAGES, that's why it doesn't work (plus the variables aren't declared there). I just posted that piece of code to show you guys that I have been working hard on an alternate turing GUI - I said I'll post the code for the actual GUI package LATER. PATIENCE. You guys are really bugging me - just because the programme is supposed to be everything it claims to be, doesn't mean that you should jump to the conclusion that it isn't. You don't know me - it's not like you can base my programme on my ability [or lack there of] (as in "you wished you could do that - you're not there yet"). NOW, I ask for ideas and etc - NOT rude comments like 'poster', 'poser', and others. I AM STILL GOING TO POST THE PROGRAMME ... you would like it if I didn't. Your attitude shows it. ALL I ask is to keep an open mind - and stop being such pricks. Thank you. EDIT: realized what you mean by double/triple posting. Sorry, all you had to do was ask - not smite. |
Author: | apomb [ Fri May 23, 2008 3:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Visual Turing!? |
nastynika @ Fri May 23, 2008 8:33 am wrote: well he has triple posted at least once
thrice, actually... and to Sniperdude: all we ask is that you show some sort of proof that you made this and have been working on it. We dont need all the workup to it. (I dont even care about turing, i havent written a program in it in over 4 years). the more you hesitate to post workable code, the more it seems like you are trying to avoid embarrasment from it not working, or a conceit to you not actually writing this yourself. that is all. |
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Fri May 23, 2008 4:00 pm ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
I told you I was working on it - don't try and rush me. The reason this thread was started was for opinions on the making of it (should I or not), just read the first post. Besides - I posted some form of proof I'm not all talk here (both with the old GUI thread, the screenshot, and a snippet of code). I'm just asking that you don't be so rude... Now, I have done alot today and I will post it as soon as I get home (I have 4.1.1 with me and it doesn't compile, might be around 10PM tonight, not sure EXACTLY when) - so hold your horses. Do note that once it is posted it still has some small problems - but I've ironed out enough to post what I have so far. |
Author: | gitoxa [ Fri May 23, 2008 4:37 pm ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
Reading, serious business. |
Author: | Sean [ Fri May 23, 2008 5:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Visual Turing!? |
Honestly I'll believe it when I see it. |
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Fri May 23, 2008 6:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Visual Turing!? |
well here it is. Shuttup. Now - I ask for programme related (ex: the interface is too cluttered) and not coding related (ex: this button doesn't work) criticism - I know some of it doesn't work - it's still under construction. |
Author: | Sean [ Fri May 23, 2008 6:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
Thanks for the code, I wasn't critizing you. |
Author: | Mackie [ Fri May 23, 2008 9:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
What am I supposed to do with an executable? /me demands code, for scrutination of course. That button didn't look to impressive code wise. ( Not because it didn't run ) I'd like to see how bad/good the code is for the rest of it. No one is going to steal it. |
Author: | Zren [ Fri May 23, 2008 9:42 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Visual Turing!? |
After pressing a bunch of buttons I get an error: Quote: A Run-Time Error has occured.
Line 1424 of : Pic was never allocated It may be going over a maximum image quota of some sort? Since your program is kinda heavy based on images. |
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Sat May 24, 2008 5:43 am ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
I am NOT going to post the code until later, calm down. Judge it upon what I showed you. What didn't you like about the coding of the button? And about the pic problem, it runs fine in turing, but it's probably just a Pic.Free problem. The thing is only heavily image based in the sense that there are alot of tiny pics used (which I want to cut down on) like 3 X 3 pixels, etc. EDIT: When I asked for your opinion on the button, I want to know what I can do to clean it up - not just saying it's bad and leaving it at that. EDIT: (better more edits than posts I guess) Was thinking, this is the turing SUBMISSIONS forum is it not? Why then do you ask for code - I have submitted as I pleased and am under no obligation to give you code. It's not as if this is the help forum and I am asking for coding help without giving you anything to analyse... I will repost the programme when I get the chance (I have to go to work now) with the problem fixed - but you can still explore the programme in the given time before the error occurs for now. What do you guys think of it? |
Author: | Sean [ Sat May 24, 2008 10:14 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Visual Turing!? |
With the errors that pop up, and the fact that parts of it doesn't work, people want to see what you were doing to assist you, not cut you down. Mackie is a person that wouldn't do that. So, for your best interest Sniper. Post the code in a PM to him, or the people who ask for it. |
Author: | Nick [ Sat May 24, 2008 1:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
usually the point of GUI or a module is to help other code, which cannot be done through an exe, only through the actual code... I really don't care if you submit it or not, I can make my own GUI, just saying that's how it usually works |
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Sat May 24, 2008 5:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
Goodness, I know what problems exist in it - and how to fix them. The thing is I was kind of rushed into posting - so that's why some errors still occur, not because of lack of ability to do the job right. Mackie - If you want to help out with coding, fine. I'll pm you it later. |
Author: | gitoxa [ Sat May 24, 2008 9:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
Okay, I've been reading this thread, and I think everyone's been being too polite to Sniperdude. GET OFF YOUR HIGHHORSE. You're not almighty, don't act like you are. You posted claiming to to have made a program, yet provided no proof (a screenshot is not proof). You then proceeded to tell people that you wouldn't post the code, or the executable because you didn't have time, you were busy, etc. PEOPLE WANTED TO SEE YOUR CODE SO THEY COULD HELP, BECAUSE THE IDEA WAS GOOD. Now please stop acting like you're almighty. Yes, you made a good program, that doesn't make you superior to everyone. Also, my last post: Quote: Reading, serious business.
It was directed at you, and your inability to understand anything anyone has said in this thread. Mod edit: Watch the flaming. |
Author: | Aziz [ Sat May 24, 2008 11:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
This thread seems on a quick route to being locked. He wasn't really being rude, and he doesn't have to post his code. As far as I remember, 'tits or gtfo' or 'pix plz' aren't part of the rules here. He obviously posted a working beta of the program, and already should'be made you guys feel pretty stupid for calling a "fake". As far as I understand, there's two parts to his software: a GUI library, which he would need to release the source for in order to be used by others, and the Form Creator, which generates a Turing code file to create the form you make by dragon dropping. There's no need to release the source for that, so don't ask for it. Some of you older members (apomb, Mackie) are kind of dissapointing me =/ you should be setting a good example for the n00bs, not bashing and flaming like the others. Anyways, as to the actual program, it seems like a good start and I do believe a lot of work went into this. The error came up for me as well: A Run-Time Error has occured. Line 1424 of : Pic was never allocated this happened when I created a Full Frame, then dragged it off the screen and let go. I did it twice, so that's somewhere to look. Keep it up and don't let any bashing get to you - it's not usually like this here. More so in the Turing forums, though, I admit. |
Author: | gitoxa [ Sat May 24, 2008 11:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Visual Turing!? |
Why are you disappointed in them? Because sniperdude failed to submit something in the submissions section, and they called him out for it? |
Author: | Aziz [ Sat May 24, 2008 11:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
Point taken. But he really has no obligation to submit anything. This was the best choice of a forum for this. And I really want to slap BOTH those guys in your avatar. |
Author: | apomb [ Sun May 25, 2008 1:01 am ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
I stand by the fact that this is the SUBMISSIONS forum, and that being said, should probably be where fully working (maybe not feature-complete) programs are to be submitted. I was calling him out for just a little bit of credibility in his claims to have worked for over a year on the coding and yet having to "rush to post code". theres nothing i want to say that gitoxa hasnt said already. |
Author: | [Gandalf] [ Sun May 25, 2008 1:39 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Visual Turing!? |
I agree with Aziz, it almost seems as if some people have been trying to purposely antagonize sniperdude. If it is revealed that parts of this program were copied without permission then that issue will be dealt with, but don't jump the gun. gitoxa, you have two questionable posts in this thread, you have been warned... sniperdude, careful about how you respond too... Anyways, as for the program it's a pretty impressive imitation of the Visual Studio type form creator, but you still have some things to iron out before posting it as a submission. Therefore, this thread is moved to Turing Help for now. |
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Sun May 25, 2008 5:57 am ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
the programme is in two parts - the GUI and the form creator. it is not the GUI package I'm rushing on to complete - but rather the form creator programme. |
Author: | Aziz [ Sun May 25, 2008 9:31 am ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
Thanks, Gandalf. I don't agree with moving it to Help forum, but who am I to say, and it's not really that big of a deal. Anyways, dude with a sniper, have you worked on the GUI module yet? Cuz that'd be nice to see and I'm sure people here would love to have a good working GUI module for Turing. |
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Mon May 26, 2008 6:26 am ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
it is working, but I just wanted to clean up any minor problems with it... I was going to submit it with the form editor programme, but I guess I can turn my attention more towards the GUI. It should be posted fairly soon, there is not too much to do with it I believe. |
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Tue May 27, 2008 3:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
Now that this thread has become calm, I've done some more work on it. I really want to submit my GUI package - but I've been stuck on one part. I've been trying to simulate a text field from scratch, and I need to clean it up a bit. This leads me to my question - Is there a way to determine whether no key is being pressed? This is so when people type it doesn't try to read timing on pressing buttons (because people type at different speeds). Thanks in advance for any help. |
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Fri May 30, 2008 3:22 pm ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: Visual Turing!? | ||
OK, since this is under help; might as well ask for some. Still trying to figure out the typing problem for textboxes. The problem explains itself...
any help to get this typing problem smoothed out would be greatly appreciated. |
Author: | pkjr92 [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Visual Turing!? |
Hey I found a way to solve your problem. in your loop Input.KeyDown (key) getKeys keyTimer cls put InputB.Text View.Update delay (100) just slip this delay in to prevent it from recognizing to many characters in one hit exit when ext end loop |
Author: | Euphoracle [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:10 pm ] |
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? |
That will limit the speed at which you can type at. You would be better off adding a delay for the current keystroke for up to 1000 milliseconds and then removing it or decreasing it to 10 or 50. This would allow you to stop the same key from being spammed whilst allowing you to type at a nice speed. EDIT: Note this only applies if the key is being held down vs being pressed. If it is being pressed many times it should not be suppressed. |
Author: | SNIPERDUDE [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:31 pm ] | ||
Post subject: | RE:Visual Turing!? | ||
Thanks guys, Although I have put this question in another forum and found a solution. I will be using something similar to this:
|