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Importing GIF Pictures

Author:  TripleBla [ Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Importing GIF Pictures

Hey Compsci,

Currently writing a program that requires the importing of GIF images. I know Turing versions < 4.0.4c do not support importing GIFs, because the patent on the algorithm was still in use or whatever. Apparently 4.0.5 has support for GIF, but I cannot find 4.0.5 anywhere. My school has a license, but the only distributable copy is 4.0.4. I have been completely unable to find 4.0.5 anywhere on the internet, if any of you happen to have it, it would be greatly appreciated.

Peace out!

Canada

Author:  Clayton [ Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:43 pm ]
Post subject:  RE:Importing GIF Pictures

Unfortunately, 4.0.5 does not support GIF images. And even if it did, we cannot tell you where to download Turing. That also means we can't give it to you either.

Author:  Tony [ Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:44 pm ]
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We can't really do that.

Author:  Nick [ Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:45 pm ]
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so basicly u are asking for an illegal copy of software

Author:  TripleBla [ Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:54 pm ]
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momop @ Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:45 pm wrote:
so basicly u are asking for an illegal copy of software


Asking for an illegal copy of software, that my school has already paid 400$ for a re-distributable license? No.

Thanks for answering my question, I had actually thought Holt Software would update Pic.FileNew with GIF funcitonality as soon as the patent expired. I was wrong, seems they will sit dormant for a while longer.

Author:  Tony [ Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:59 pm ]
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I think I saw .gif supported somewhere... Turing 4.1? maybe.

How is it that a school has a redistribution license, but not the software itself.

Author:  TripleBla [ Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:05 pm ]
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Tony @ Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:59 pm wrote:
How is it that a school has a redistribution license, but not the software itself.


I'm not one to be answering a question like this, I don't work for the school board, or Holt Software.

But considering Holt Software hasn't updated their website in almost four years, and have not released any updates in nearly as long. I suppose the link between my school and Holt's new software is severed somewhere. My school's most current up-to-date Turing version is 4.0.3...

Author:  Clayton [ Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:11 pm ]
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Yes, I meant to mention this in my post, Turing 4.1 does support GIFs, both animated and not.

Author:  octopi [ Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:17 pm ]
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you could always just convert the gif image into another format that turing will support.

if its an animated gif then you can export the single frames to file (non gif filetype), and then make a turing procedure that will play the annimation.

Author:  TripleBla [ Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:18 pm ]
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Holt Software and the Ontario Board of Education sealed a huge financial deal a few years ago.

All Ontario schools are allowed to install and distribute (to students) the most up-to-date Turing install available.

I fall under the student category, though my school is unavailable to provide me with the latest copy.

I am asking for help in the furthering of my education, by finding and installing tools which are supposed to be supplied by my school.

Honestly, if you still think this is sharing warez, I think you need to look a little further.

Author:  Nick [ Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:40 pm ]
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TripleBla @ Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:18 pm wrote:
Holt Software and the Ontario Board of Education sealed a huge financial deal a few years ago.

there u go Dan holtsoftware lives

Author:  Clayton [ Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:42 pm ]
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momop @ Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:40 pm wrote:
TripleBla @ Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:18 pm wrote:
Holt Software and the Ontario Board of Education sealed a huge financial deal a few years ago.

there u go Dan holtsoftware lives


Not quite. Wink

Also, while your school has the license to redistribute, we don't. End of story.

Author:  TripleBla [ Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:03 pm ]
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I completely respect this board's policy not to redistribute, or even link to "illegal softwares!"

I just think you're taking it a little bit too far.

Author:  Tony [ Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:27 pm ]
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This _is_ getting a bit too far. I'd love to help out, but we just can't. There's an OpenT project -- things will be different once that is complete Wink

Author:  Mazer [ Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:37 pm ]
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TripleBla @ Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:18 pm wrote:
All Ontario schools are allowed to install and distribute (to students) the most up-to-date Turing install available.

How about that part? CompSci.ca has made no such deal with Holtsoft.

I don't speak for either party, but I'm pretty sure Holtsoft doesn't want to associate with CompSci.ca. Perhaps because so many people hate Turing. These statements are based solely on my own opinions and do not reflect those of CompSci.ca and Rick Moranis.

Author:  TripleBla [ Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:17 pm ]
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Supplying me with the most up to date version of Turing is not 'illegal' as some of you have put it.

I am a REGISTERED, PAID-FOR Turing user.

I already have Turing installed on my machine.

I'm looking for an update on CompSci, because every other resource cannot provide me with it.

I'm not asking for you to send me some illegal piece of software, I already have a legitimate copy of Turing, I just require an update for it.

.. Holt Software has been inactive for a few years now, I really don't think they're going to sue you for supplying a licensed customer with an up-to-date copy of their software. Get real.

Author:  petree08 [ Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:21 pm ]
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Even though holt software has been "dead" in terms of updating turing doesn't mean they are inactive. But yeah their web page looks out dated. it would be great for an upgrade, i might email Holt software see what thier views are

Author:  petree08 [ Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:37 pm ]
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Right so i went to holt sofware's page and they just might be dead. The last update on their site was in november 2003

Author:  Mazer [ Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:51 pm ]
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TripleBla @ Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:17 pm wrote:
.. Holt Software has been inactive for a few years now, I really don't think they're going to sue you for supplying a licensed customer with an up-to-date copy of their software. Get real.

Please read up on copyright law. This isn't a judgment call we can make just because we haven't heard anything from them in a while. What does your license actually say about updates?

Author:  TripleBla [ Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:55 pm ]
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Doing a little bit of research, I uncovered this:

http://www.osapac.org/dbOESS/dbOESSe2.asp?id=256

..

Posted Image, might have been reduced in size. Click Image to view fullscreen.

I know you're not obliged to provide me or anyone else on this forum with a copy of the latest version of Turing.

I am merely debating the Software Distribution Rights with you, and with the provided link and image. Hopefully you will see, providing Ontario Students with a copy of Turing is NOT against Holt Software's licensing agreement with the Ontario government.

Author:  Euphoracle [ Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:02 pm ]
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I do not see anything saying you can distrubute alternate versions. You work with the version your school has acquired, period. Unless your school board rolls out the new copy, you're stuck with 4.0.

Author:  TripleBla [ Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:16 pm ]
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Euphoracle @ Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:02 pm wrote:
I do not see anything saying you can distrubute alternate versions. You work with the version your school has acquired, period. Unless your school board rolls out the new copy, you're stuck with 4.0.


Work with the version our school has acquired? Our board has acquired 4.1. If you had even looked at the link, you can clearly read "4.1".

Edit- If you're unsure what that link was .. it's just information about all of the software the board currently has licensed, Turing 4.1 being one of them.

Author:  Nick [ Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:23 pm ]
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ok here is the situation:

there are copyrtght laws about giving turing to someone
you however being in an ontario school which has the liscene to do so can receive it
us being some people on the internet
u to us is some dude on the internet
how do we really know u are from a school in ontario and better tyet what if holtsoft (or an enforcement of the law) finds out, turns out that only ur school was allowed to distribute turing

now we are in shit with the law

Author:  Tony [ Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:30 pm ]
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Besides, there's little use of having a version different to what your school has. Sure, you can use some new functions... at home. You would not be able to work on your projects at school or even submit those assignments, since they will no longer compile with the older version of Turing.

Author:  TripleBla [ Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:01 pm ]
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Tony @ Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:30 pm wrote:
Besides, there's little use of having a version different to what your school has. Sure, you can use some new functions... at home. You would not be able to work on your projects at school or even submit those assignments, since they will no longer compile with the older version of Turing.


I do not see how getting an updated copy of Turing can be of little use. With the latest copy, I could provide my Computer Sciences teacher (Current admin of our entire school) a copy, where he than could re-distribute to our classroom, or even the entire school network (All legally of course, since he is in charge of our school's license with Holt).


I fail to see how wanting the latest version of software to use some new functionality, can be at all bad?

Turing isn't just for school work, I've seen quite a few interesting things done with it, all of which rule outside school appropriate. Saying I don't need it because I wouldn't be able to work on my projects at school, is absurd.

I need it, because I am entitled to it. You do not have to provide me with it but if I argue my point a little longer, maybe I can change the perspective of someone.

Edit-

momop @ Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:23 pm wrote:
ok here is the situation:

there are copyrtght laws about giving turing to someone
you however being in an ontario school which has the liscene to do so can receive it
us being some people on the internet
u to us is some dude on the internet
how do we really know u are from a school in ontario and better tyet what if holtsoft (or an enforcement of the law) finds out, turns out that only ur school was allowed to distribute turing

now we are in shit with the law



Stop talking on this thread. Everything you've said has been little, to no use to anyone.

Author:  Tony [ Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:35 pm ]
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TripleBla @ Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:01 pm wrote:
With the latest copy, I could provide my Computer Sciences teacher (Current admin of our entire school) a copy, where he than could re-distribute to our classroom

I see what you mean. In such a case, disregard my last comment.

What would be cool though, is to get your teacher to install any other language but Turing. Since the majority (at least all the ones we care about) are free... oh, and actually have some support available.

Author:  TripleBla [ Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:47 pm ]
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Tony @ Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:01 pm wrote:
What would be cool though, is to get your teacher to install any other language but Turing. Since the majority (at least all the ones we care about) are free... oh, and actually have some support available.


Indeed it would be cool, but the plausibility of my teacher installing another language is very, very slim. The current Ontario curriculum dictates Turing as the learning tool of choice (Even though everyone and their grandmother know the support, and technical functionality of Turing compared to any other language is not there). Changing languages is not an option, even though it would be for a greater benefit (Like many things in this thread Wink ).

Author:  Euphoracle [ Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:11 pm ]
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TripleBla @ Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:16 pm wrote:
Euphoracle @ Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:02 pm wrote:
I do not see anything saying you can distrubute alternate versions. You work with the version your school has acquired, period. Unless your school board rolls out the new copy, you're stuck with 4.0.


Work with the version our school has acquired? Our board has acquired 4.1. If you had even looked at the link, you can clearly read "4.1".

Edit- If you're unsure what that link was .. it's just information about all of the software the board currently has licensed, Turing 4.1 being one of them.


Then you should have no problem getting a copy from your school board, am I right? (do so)

Author:  Clayton [ Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RE:Importing GIF Pictures

TripleBla wrote:

Edit-

momop @ Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:23 pm wrote:
ok here is the situation:

there are copyrtght laws about giving turing to someone
you however being in an ontario school which has the liscene to do so can receive it
us being some people on the internet
u to us is some dude on the internet
how do we really know u are from a school in ontario and better tyet what if holtsoft (or an enforcement of the law) finds out, turns out that only ur school was allowed to distribute turing

now we are in shit with the law



Stop talking on this thread. Everything you've said has been little, to no use to anyone.
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While I completely disagree with this thread to begin with, that statement is an absolute, no doubt about it, infringement on [The Rules]. You had no right to say such a thing to momop. Now, to add something constructive, while your school has a redistribution license, it has a redistribution licence for the version that it payed for. If they payed for 4.0.3, then they can redistribute 4.0.3, not 4.1.

TripleBla wrote:
I fail to see how wanting the latest version of software to use some new functionality, can be at all bad?


Let's see here.... because you have to buy it? Really, I'm sure that if you wanted Turing 4.1 that badly, just for one, stupid, poorly implemented module, you can find it out there on the internet. Then you can go ahead with your plan and give it to your teacher, infringing on the board's redistribution license. I really don't care.

Also, on the subject of getting a teacher to change the language of choice out of Turing: Turing is not a mandated, set in stone language for instruction. While it is (unfortunately), a highly common language, it is not the end-all be all. Other languages allowed to be used are (and this list is incomplete), Visual Basic (.NET, 6.0 etc.), Java (usually using RTP, another piece of shit from Holt), C++, Pascal, Python, and I've even heard of a school using Lisp. So believe me when I say you are not limited in choices here.

Now, if after reading this, you tend to get the idea I'm an arrogant prick, then you've read my post through, because that's the exact same message I'm getting from you. Turing is not unobtainable. If you can't pirate it, you can get it from your school board. Either ask your teacher to contact the right people, or do it yourself. Just please, for the sake of everyone here, stop your bitching.

Disclaimer: This post in no way whatsoever reflects the ideals or opinions of CompSci.ca and it's staff and affiliates. This is just one person's rant. If anyone's feeling were hurt, well... suck it up. I'm just some random guy on an internet forum right?

Author:  md [ Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:37 pm ]
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Clayton @ 2007-11-15, 10:27 pm wrote:
Stuff
I agree. Further more it seems *none* of you have any understanding of copyright law. Based on things like
Quote:
I need it, because I am entitled to it. You do not have to provide me with it but if I argue my point a little longer, maybe I can change the perspective of someone.
I would suggest that you all go shove your heads in sand and pretend the world doesn't exist. It'd probably be best for all involved.

[edit] I except Clayton from the lack of understanding as well as the head burying. He at least has shown some common sense.

Author:  TripleBla [ Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:14 am ]
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Clayton @ Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:27 pm wrote:
While I completely disagree with this thread to begin with, that statement is an absolute, no doubt about it, infringement on [The Rules]. You had no right to say such a thing to momop. Now, to add something constructive, while your school has a redistribution license, it has a redistribution licence for the version that it payed for. If they payed for 4.0.3, then they can redistribute 4.0.3, not 4.1.


Ah, I suppose there was an infringement on the rules involving momop. He was spamming my thread with grammatically, and intellectually incorrect information. In my opinion, his post should be deleted, but that's all a forum is right? A Place for someone to teach, display, and argue their opinions.

On the topic of my school having a license for 4.0.3, and not 4.1. Again, I've said it before, the URL I linked earlier in this thread - clearly states - "All Ontario Secondary Schools (and their students / teachers) are entitled to Turing 4.1"

Clayton @ Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:27 pm wrote:
Let's see here.... because you have to buy it? Really, I'm sure that if you wanted Turing 4.1 that badly, just for one, stupid, poorly implemented module, you can find it out there on the internet. Then you can go ahead with your plan and give it to your teacher, infringing on the board's redistribution license. I really don't care.


The thing you're failing to grasp is. I'm not a pirate, I don't want to scroll through untrusted websites and forums, to find a possibly infected version of Turing. The reason I asked CompSci.ca for help, is because the forum and generally most of it's members are trusted.

Clayton @ Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:27 pm wrote:
Also, on the subject of getting a teacher to change the language of choice out of Turing: Turing is not a mandated, set in stone language for instruction. While it is (unfortunately), a highly common language, it is not the end-all be all. Other languages allowed to be used are (and this list is incomplete), Visual Basic (.NET, 6.0 etc.), Java (usually using RTP, another piece of shit from Holt), C++, Pascal, Python, and I've even heard of a school using Lisp. So believe me when I say you are not limited in choices here.


The problem is, Turing is mandated, in all Ontario schools. It's part of the government written curriculum. I can not change what language our school provides, I can only hope to provide the latest copy of Turing, for the ease of myself and anyone else who is 'entitled' to it through the Ontario government.

Author:  Carey [ Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:57 pm ]
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Holy crap TripleBla!!! Suck it up!! Get an antivirus program and find a bitTorent file. You don't seem to get it. NOBODY ON THIS SITE WILL GIVE YOU TURING 4.1. Deal with it!!!





can a mod lock this please?

Author:  Dan [ Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:11 pm ]
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Well i do think your reply was a bit of a flame carey and a bit imporite i will lock this topic.

CompSci.ca's server is localted in the USA where there DMCA law does include things like provding infomration about how to break copy right. So in general i say we can not tell you where to get any copy of pay for software on this site, turing or not.

It also is not just about copy right, in part it is out of respect for the programers of such software who did work on it and whould like to be payed for there work. Weather they desverive it or not is not realy up for us to say, as we live in a cpalistic socity the best way to say this whould be by buying it or not and going with out it.

As for redistrubtion linces you have to have been given such a licneses to do the redistrubting. Just becues you school can give it to you does not mean any one eltes here can acording to there linceses. The redustrubting has to be done by the person whith the redistrutbtion linceses.

Also if you acuatly read the OESS page corectly you whould note it only says it is avaible for teachers and student teachers NOT high school students. So unless you are an universty student, in the Faculties of Education and on a student teacher placment you are not entited to anything. To my knowalge ontario school boards DO NOT have a redsiutuion linceses unless there school or school borad goeses out of there way to buy one them selves (speart from the deal with the mynsitcy of education).



In summry no linking to or posting software with out the creators permisons unless the software is lincesed under a lincses where it cleary satas it can be fully distrubited freely like a open score licnes. Why? Becues i side so, end of debate.


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