Computer Science Canada Safari For Windows |
| Author: | Amailer [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Safari For Windows |
Quote: Apple has launched a version of its web browser Safari for Windows, competing head to head with Microsoft's Explorer and Mozilla's Firefox.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6742439.stm Download it at: http://www.apple.com/safari/ It doesn't work on my computer very well at all, lags a lot and the menus just don't display (I can't even see the address in the url bar oO). Anyhow, this is pretty good, for web developers especially  |
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| Author: | Tony [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Safari For Windows |
This is absolutely amazing. Even if Safari doesn't gain any ground on the Windows platform (although every web dev person should get a copy), all the press this is getting has got to bring some attention to "alternative" browsers. My local newspaper (along with BBC above it appears) considers Firefox as a "mainstream" browser 
Actually Apple probably wouldn't much care for casual users, Safari is mostly for developers so that they can start developing compliant applications for iPhone. There's no SDK, just AJAX. Hmm... |
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| Author: | rdrake [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Safari For Windows |
It actually works fairly well here. The interface still needs work, but it's not too bad for a beta. |
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| Author: | Amailer [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Safari For Windows |
Any ideas why it won't work on my computer though? Highly bugged for me. I like the fact thats its 'simple', on my mac it looks good and works good too |
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| Author: | Clayton [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Safari For Windows |
I don't know, but on my computer it keeps using up ~75% CPU Time, so... yeah, I dropped that like a bad habit. |
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| Author: | Dan [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Safari For Windows |
I tryed to run it threw wine on my gentoo install. The installer worked fine but i can not get the browser to start up. I wish they whould make a linux version so i whould not have to switch to windows to use it. |
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| Author: | Martin [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Safari For Windows |
Careful, apparently there are a slew of vulnerabilities for it already. |
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| Author: | rizzix [ Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Safari For Windows |
I'm posting this through safari (on Vista). Its decent. Long load time. Fast rendering speeds. (compsci.ca loads faster after safari cache's quite a bit of it.) It does not use ClearType, but Apple's own antialiasing engine. (fonts finally look cool). It uses a LOT of memory. Vista uses ~50%, safari uses ~20%. No Firefox's extensions. |
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| Author: | Martin [ Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Safari For Windows |
I think that if someone really wants to start holding Firefox back they really have to start to compete with the extensions. I don't care how fast a browser is; if it doesn't have adblock or mouse gestures, you can't sell it to me. |
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| Author: | josh [ Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Safari For Windows |
I like the browse but I have a few annoyances with it: When I ctrl-click on links in a g-mail message (i.e. facebook e-mails) it still does not open the link in a new tab, it opens it in a new window (I also changed the setting in preferences telling it to open links in new tabs). Also, when I have minimized it to the taskbar, if I click on it to restore the window it resizes the window to a non-maximized size even though I previously had it maximized. Overall I really liked it, however it is just annoying not to have the links from g-mail messages open in the same window. |
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| Author: | Amailer [ Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Safari For Windows |
And no one has encountered issues with the menus not being displayed? (Basically any text like, how in firefox you see File, Edit, View and etc doesn't get displayed, but if you go over it, you'll see a menu fall, but again, with no text). And...with no url being displayed in the url bar? Its all text-issues |
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| Author: | Tony [ Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:Safari For Windows |
Amailer @ Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:02 am wrote: Basically any text like, how in firefox you see File, Edit, View and etc doesn't get displayed
Apple has gone to great lengths to bring the OSX experience in the Safari browser. There's a lot of buzz on the internets about Safari using Apple's own font render algorithms instead of Window's native ClearType. The maximize "annoyance" is likely left over from how OSX handles "maximizing" apps. Apple apps also don't come with File/Edit/Whatever bars, all such menus are taken out of the app's window and snapped to the top of the desktop. I would tend to believe that annoyances originate from the differences between "the Windows way" and "the Apple way" of doing things. Trust me, there are no less issues with using a Mac version of IE. |
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| Author: | rizzix [ Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Safari For Windows |
They usually fix these annoyances. Remeber iTunes (for windows) when it first came out? Look at it now. Its 100x better than what it was before. |
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| Author: | Tony [ Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Safari For Windows |
Well that is why Safari is in Beta
Besides, iTunes is there for iPods and the iTunes store -- it would make sense to tweak it towards a more accustomed "Windows experience". If we consider Safari to be the testing grounds for iPhone developers, then tuning it to user experiences would just introduce more annoyances when the apps misbehave in the real environment (iPhone's Safari that is). |
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| Author: | rizzix [ Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Safari For Windows |
Safari uses WebKit to handle the javascript/html rendering. As long as Safari for windows does not modify or tweak the webkit specifically for windows, it's all good and I doubt they would do that anyway. Other than that any modifications they do to Safari to tweak it to the windows experience wil not really bring about any annoyances in term of apps misbehaving when deployed on the iPhone. |
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| Author: | Amailer [ Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Safari For Windows |
Thats what it looks like on my computer. The Apple website itself doesn't render correctly. |
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| Author: | Hikaru79 [ Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:Safari For Windows |
Dan @ Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:14 pm wrote: I tryed to run it threw wine on my gentoo install. The installer worked fine but i can not get the browser to start up. I wish they whould make a linux version so i whould not have to switch to windows to use it.
They did, it's called "Konqueror." Actually, more aptly, they made an OSX version of Konqueror and called it "Safari." The point is they both use highly similar HTML rendering engines (derived from the same source code and 'synced' constantly). And the rendering engine is the only reason I could think of that you'd want to run the Windows port of an OS X app through an emulator on Linux  It sure as hell wouldn't be for the performance, the features, or the compatibility!
Martin wrote: Careful, apparently there are a slew of vulnerabilities for it already.
Apple released a new version (update) of Safari 3 for Windows *today* so if you haven't already, go and get the new one. The vulnerabilities Martin mentions have largely been dealt with. Hey, it's beta software ^_^; |
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| Author: | Dan [ Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: RE:Safari For Windows |
Hikaru79 @ 14th June 2007, 11:20 pm wrote: They did, it's called "Konqueror." Actually, more aptly, they made an OSX version of Konqueror and called it "Safari." The point is they both use highly similar HTML rendering engines (derived from the same source code and 'synced' constantly). And the rendering engine is the only reason I could think of that you'd want to run the Windows port of an OS X app through an emulator on Linux It sure as hell wouldn't be for the performance, the features, or the compatibility!
I know they both use webkit, i blive it was even started as KDE project. However i whould still like to see it runing on linux just for the heck of it. Right now i can not even get it runing on windows tho  |
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| Author: | rizzix [ Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Safari For Windows |
Actually Konqueror uses KHTML while Safari uses WebKit. WebKit forked of KHTML, but due to complications in the code managment, the two code bases are not synchronized and are quite different from each other. So there could be slight difference in the two. Apparently there's a project called Unity that was created to synchronized the two projects: http://dot.kde.org/1152645965/ |
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| Author: | Amailer [ Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | RE:Safari For Windows |
http://grupenet.com/2007/06/12/fix-font-issue-in-safari-for-windows/ That fixed my font issues :/ *I believe the file just sets the direct path to the fonts in the windows font folder* *WOO* If this had extensions, I'd probably use this. *WOO2* I don't know, I'm really liking it, I haven't unisntalled it yet and I've been using it for a while I just need extensions -.- Will it ever happen
*EDIT* Do the rss feeds render correctly (infact, do they render at all?) for anyone? feed://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/newsonline_world_edition/front_page/rss.xml doesn't work for me. |
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